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Well then I'm sorry but maybe you're just not empathetic enough or don't care about Brienne enough to understand my point of view. That scene is fucking vile and goes in complete contrast with the rest of the character and the entire game. Even if there's no impact in the game for a specific event, the impact it can have on the player is immense. Hence my astronomical distaste for Savin and TOBS now where I thought TOBS was just a shitty writer and didn't mind Savin.
Also in a text-based game ya gotta fill in the blanks a lot of the time. One of those blanks in this scenario would be "How would my mino-buddy be feeling right now, considering we're in front of the same group that brutally raped her?"

But sometimes nice things as well, like what your mino-buddy is up to at the tavern where you keep them safe and sound.
 

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Does anyone know of any games similar to COC 1 or 2? Preferably with a good amount of role-play capability, and I'm not too picky about that. I've tried Monster girl dreams which was pretty good, I've also played Lilith's throne which... well it has potential but... lets be honest here, it's gonna take a century for that game to be even partially finished. But yeah, any suggestions?





These are the closest that come to mind, mainly unfinished but worth checking out if you want something similar enough to CoC.
 

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Scale is different, but the core of the issue is the same. You offer fans something else, then start injecting very questionable things into that thing.
Well then I'm sorry but maybe you're just not empathetic enough or don't care about Brienne enough to understand my point of view. That scene is fucking vile and goes in complete contrast with the rest of the character and the entire game. Even if there's no impact in the game for a specific event, the impact it can have on the player is immense. Hence my astronomical distaste for Savin and TOBS now where I thought TOBS was just a shitty writer and didn't mind Savin.
Eh, I'm plenty empathetic, but a story where an event happens then is immediately forgotten and not addressed by said story has very little weight to me. If the characters don't treat something as important, why should I?

Just like the characters in this game don't care about normal loss sex (outside of that scene), so even though a lot of that stuff would probably be soul-scarring, it has no effect. Same with other things the characters don't treat as important: character's don't care about their partners sexual escapades, it's not that important.

But, as I said, it's probably due to a fundamental difference in views on this subject.

I'm also kinda pissed that you imply Brienne is fine with being fucking raped and degraded just because they don't have a constant reminder of it, but whatever.
...this is a little far though. The only thing I'm implying is that...Brienne's not real. She fine/not fine with anything. Any particular fiction, or piece of fiction, only has as much power as I give it. The characters have no feelings on the matter at all.

I said, and am implying, that anything I don't like is simply easily ignored. If a scene goes and is going south, I just click out of it. If my character accidentally bangs someone I don't want them to - just click out of it. If a character has a single sex scene that makes me uncomfortable - I just click out of it. The nature of this game means that most of that stuff has no effect on character development or later happenings.
 
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The only thing I'm implying is that...Brienne's not real. She fine/not fine with anything. Any particular fiction, or piece of fiction, only has as much power as I give it. The characters have no feelings on the matter at all
It seems you both just play differently. MoneyMan prefers to immerse into the game and treat those inside the game as people. It's why story-driven games are successful, and even a lot of Girl Life-esque sandbox games attempt to give randomly generated AI partners personality as well (see New Life, despite its current status). People like to interact with people and makes porn with said people even hotter. Random Mino-Man/Mino-Woman #231 don't hit the same as Brint/Brienne because you've grown attachment to them. It's why they and Kiyoko do better than Quint and Tui. Because they're more fleshed out as people. You on the other hand are the classic porn enjoyer, it seems. Here for the scenes and you're good. Respectable but makes it hard to see why someone would be upset that something like that happened.

Remember that this game draws inspiration from DnD. People get real attached to their DnD characters and compatriots. Even if they're NPCs.
Everyone talking about Brienne being raped while forgetting that Brint can also suffer the same fate... Pfff.
I never forget Brint. That's why I made sure to say Mino-Buddy. Gender neutral and rolls of the tongue :BootyTime:
But forreal though. It's almost more heartbreaking in Brint's case.
 

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It seems you both just play differently. MoneyMan prefers to immerse into the game and treat those inside the game as people. It's why story-driven games are successful, and even a lot of Girl Life-esque sandbox games attempt to give randomly generated AI partners personality as well (see New Life, despite its current status). People like to interact with people and makes porn with said people even hotter. Random Mino-Man/Mino-Woman #231 don't hit the same as Brint/Brienne because you've grown attachment to them. It's why they and Kiyoko do better than Quint and Tui. Because they're more fleshed out as people. You on the other hand are the classic porn enjoyer, it seems. Here for the scenes and you're good. Respectable but makes it hard to see why someone would be upset that something like that happened.

Remember that this game draws inspiration from DnD. People get real attached to their DnD characters and compatriots. Even if they're NPCs.
Nah, that's not it. I'm plenty attached to the characters. I think of all the characters as people; for instance, its why I'm okay with them having other relationships: if my character is allowed, seems shitty for not giving them the same courtesy.

I'd say my attitude is actually more from comics.

Comics also have lots of authors with competing ideas, so I think it's actually a good analogy. And like this game, occasionally stuff just...happens. This stuff may never be referenced again, and is is forgotten by both fans and authors.

Harley Quinn gave a bunch of kids explosive Gameboys and murdered them to get the Joker's attention. Poison Ivy used to feed random people to her giant plants and tease them as they slowly dissolved. Both of these happened in the last couple decades, and somehow both of them are heroes now.

Any long time superhero comics reader develops a fine ability to activate selective amnesia.
 
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Nah, that's not it. I'm plenty attached to the characters. I think of all the characters as people; for instance, its why I'm okay with them having other relationships: if my character is allowed, seems shitty for not giving them the same courtesy.

I'd say my attitude is actually more from comics.

Comics also have lots of authors with competing ideas, so I think it's actually a good analogy. And like this game, occasionally stuff just...happens. This stuff may never be referenced again, and is is forgotten by both fans and authors.

Harley Quinn gave a bunch of kids explosive Gameboys and murdered them to get the Joker's attention. Poison Ivy used to feed random people to her giant plants and tease them as they slowly dissolved. Both of these happened in the last couple decades, and somehow both of them are heroes now.

Any long time superhero comics reader develops a fine ability to activate selective amnesia.
Comics get retconned, are alternate universes, etc. The Harley Quinn that gave kids gameboys isn't the same one in the TV show which isn't the same one in the Injustice timeline. It's not just different authors, it's also different characters.

In CoC2, you get one iteration of each character (at most two, considering Brint/Brienne and Berry/Wynne but they're still generally the same person) so it's harder to "write off" what happened as there's no timeline shift or retcon happening. Remember when Jason Todd died? Remember when he didn't actually die and became the Red Hood? He obviously can't have simultaneously died and moved on to become Red Hood, so the Jason that died is a different character than the Red Hood Jason. Obviously the same, but different. If CoC2 had multiple reboots and rewrites I would agree with you, but as this is all one continuity you should view this as one story arc rather than the entirety of the DC universe's catalog.

Tl;dr It's not selective amnesia, it's the understanding that Golden Age Superman is not New 52 Superman. CoC2 has one story arc, and it's not even finished yet.
 

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It has absolutely nothing to do with that, people in thread just care about Brienne more. Kind of just assuming a lot about the people in the thread. I honestly didn't even know Brint had the same scene, figured it would just be Brienne since she's the one that beat Kiyoko in the popularity polls.

...this is a little far though. The only thing I'm implying is that...Brienne's not real. She fine/not fine with anything. Any particular fiction, or piece of fiction, only has as much power as I give it. The characters have no feelings on the matter at all.
Literally said it yourself.
5 minutes later, Brienne is fine.
That's not ignoring something you don't like, that's assuming a character's feelings on something.

Yes people can just ignore content but that's just a flimsy excuse to let stupid scenes that don't fit with the character/game in the game in cases like these. Both Atugia's scene and Brienne's give off wildly different feelings from their regular content and it isn't for the better. Like Atugia being cocky about her oral skills comes out of fucking nowhere and she just does it on somebody else without asking if I'm alright looking at that? Hell she even expresses a little bit of admonishment towards Arona when you ask her about her. She doesn't express even a little bit of sexual interest in any of the companions either. It fucking sucks seeing a character you like do something like that when it just comes out of nowhere.

And I don't even have to explain Brienne's scene.
Any long time superhero comics reader develops a fine ability to activate selective amnesia.
That's not something everybody can or might not even want to do, especially for something that is just one project. This isn't comics where each one is a separate thing and thus some leeway can be given for inconsistencies/differences. It's all amounting to one (somewhat) cohesive world that is meant to be taken in as a whole. It's also not the best analogy because this game is a work in progress. Things can be added, removed, and changed. There is no reason for things that are very odd and don't fit to stay in the game if it contributes to being a worse/more messy product overall.

I'm trying to experience this game or anything I interact with as a whole. Picking and choosing to ignore and not ignore things would make this game feel even more like a glorified scene selector than it already does, which is not something I want to happen.
 

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Pretty sure Jason Todd actually got brought back to life by Liam Neeson or some shit, so it is the same character :KEK:
It's actually from Superboy punching reality, no joke. :KEK: But you know what I mean. Jason Todd was voted to die by readers, and so he did. Then new writers came along and decided that from Superboy punching reality, he fixed some timeline errors (like Jason Todd dying).
 

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Comics get retconned, are alternate universes, etc. The Harley Quinn that gave kids gameboys isn't the same one in the TV show which isn't the same one in the Injustice timeline. It's not just different authors, it's also different characters.

In CoC2, you get one iteration of each character (at most two, considering Brint/Brienne and Berry/Wynne but they're still generally the same person) so it's harder to "write off" what happened as there's no timeline shift or retcon happening. Remember when Jason Todd died? Remember when he didn't actually die and became the Red Hood? He obviously can't have simultaneously died and moved on to become Red Hood, so the Jason that died is a different character than the Red Hood Jason. Obviously the same, but different. If CoC2 had multiple reboots and rewrites I would agree with you, but as this is all one continuity you should view this as one story arc rather than the entirety of the DC universe's catalog.

Tl;dr It's not selective amnesia, it's the understanding that Golden Age Superman is not New 52 Superman. CoC2 has one story arc, and it's not even finished yet.
Nah, this isn't right either.

Harley got her solo literally an issue after what I just said happened, and was treated like a hero by people relatively soon (Honestly, almost everything from Villains month was immediately ignored - it was a terrible event. Darkseid was evil because he wasn't hugged enough as a child). Poison Ivy is still int he same continuity. Spider-man backhanded Mary-Jane across the room, and it's never been referenced again.

Comics continuity changes drastically all the time, most often when a new author takes over from the old. Supporting cast can immediately disappear and be replaced, love interests change, the heroes arc changes.

Same version, same hero, different flavor.

CoC2 has a bunch of different authors; and as has been noted by people, different authors have their own takes.

Not saying how this necessarily how it should be, but that's how it is. So it's easy ( for me) to treat it the same way.
 

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Nah, this isn't right either.

Harley got her solo literally an issue after what I just said happened, and was treated like a hero by people relatively soon (Honestly, almost everything from Villains month was immediately ignored - it was a terrible event. Darkseid was evil because he wasn't hugged enough as a child). Poison Ivy is still int he same continuity. Spider-man backhanded Mary-Jane across the room, and it's never been referenced again.

Comics continuity changes drastically all the time, most often when a new author takes over from the old. Supporting cast can immediately disappear and be replaced, love interests change, the heroes arc changes.

Same version, same hero, different flavor.

CoC2 has a bunch of different authors; and as has been noted by people, different authors have their own takes.

Not saying how this necessarily how it should be, but that's how it is. So it's easy ( for me) to treat it the same way.
Different writers working on a singular continuity. Since Savin is a shit project lead, he doesn't enforce a coherent narrative in the CoC 2 world so things feel disjointed. Your MC acts completely different depending on who is writing because some of these writers hate having to write for the PC and sometimes make them a third wheel or do the dumbest shit possible.

When it comes to comics they explain everything as a brand new universe so Earth XX is completely different from XY so you have free reign to do whatever. Harley in injustice is a completely different character from her TAS counterpart and the new show she is in due to different writers writing different continuity and stories. CoC 2 should not do this because it is one continuing plot line and everyone has to be consistent or your story is just dog shit.
 

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Nah, this isn't right either.
Sometimes you can be wrong, ya know. My comment and Daken's are proof of that. In the original and New 52, Superboy-Prime punches reality which brings Jason back to life. In the Rebirth, he's resurrected via Liam Neeson's Lazarus Pit. Same character, different continuity. Again, the Batman who faced off against Ledger's Joker did not fight off the Batman Who Laughs who did not meet Sherlock Holmes who did not fuse with Nick Fury who did not fuse with Man-Thing as Man-Bat who is not his father in Flashpoint who is not Gordon's grandson who is not Elseworld's Batman who fights Jack the Ripper who is not Terry McGinnis like.... bro. Do you get it now? Terry McGinnis is Batman, so was he also fighting the Batman Who Laughs? The Batman Who Laughs is also Batman, so was he fighting himself? I mean, in your eyes they're all the same character.
Same version, same hero, different flavor.
What about when Superman landed in Gotham instead, and the Waynes adopted him and named him Bruce? And then Superman was Batman? Does that mean that Batman has fused with Captain America as well? So SupermanBatman/Captain America fought alongside Batman/Nick Fury? But those characters are the same too since they're also Batman, so it was Batman/Batman fighting alongside Batman/Batman. As horrifying as that is, the true horror is Amalgam being canon as a result of the Batmanning.

What about when Dick Grayson was Batman? Does that mean that Batman raised Batman as Robin to be Batman?

Which gets me thinking, when you consider the Batman Who Laughs and that he's half-Joker... that means the Joker is Batman too. So then you can go to the Arkham games and it turns out that Batman infects Batman with JokerBatman virus to see hallucinations of JokerBatman mocking Batman as he tries to stop Red HoodBatman.

In summary, it's Batman all the way down in your line of thought. Since they're all the same character. Do you see the problem now?

To reiterate, those are obviously all Batmen from different timelines otherwise you get Batman being everyone. Obviously CoC2 is one timeline, so if a thing happens it happened. There is no retcon to save you from unending Batmen. Brint/Brienne are brutally raped if it happens in your game, and there's nothing to be done to change it. "Selective amnesia" can't save it, because it's not like comics. There's no different timeline, no alternate timeline universe. Only this one. And in this one, you get cucked. Like, a lot.

I swear I cannot type Batman any more or I will lose my sanity and become him too :KEK: :KEK:
 
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Doing aileh's lover route and the birth and dialogue then comparing it to kiyokos content is sad. I think part of it is tobs doesn't or chooses not to handle mental issues properly, which is a big issue when the den is like 85% "you need help". Rindos burns, komaris death wish, takahiros drunkenness, nakanos self esteem(?) issues, mai having to numb herself with drugs to prevent sensory overload, miko being a turbo nympho which is like a vampire that's never full, kinu has parental issues and probable ptsd regardless of choice, kiyoko SHOULD have super cabin fever or severe attachment issues or yandere-ness or something but is instead just generic or a poorer version of too many people now.

Imo aileh, that popped up off a single reference in the winter city, already has completely decimated kiyoko and kinu. If the growth of your kid with her is eventually accelerated then skow already did tobs "family simulator" better, and it's also intimately connected to kas and her story and your relationship with her. There's no reason for spite toward brienne on the writing team any more, even arona is getting better content, and if you want abuse the dom arona is better at abuse than the den, too. Drifa, a new character, is also a well received devoted waifu sim.

I really want to like a eastern themed, trope heavy smut playground with monster girls, but kiyoko just seems like a poorer tamamo from mgq and nobody else has any pull. All of the relationships seem hollow there, like if you went somewhere else it wouldn't matter to any of them. I dunno if tobs is sitting on like 13 arcs of anything besides kinus power fantasy solo adventure, but kiyoko and kinu need a small rewrite and new approach or something. If tobs really wants the attention brienne and others are getting and to earn a ego he really needs to stop with irl political subtext or whatever tf and get with a wife character that can stand alongside the others.

I don't want him to fail, I want a big tiddy loving fox wife and maybe even nakano or farm boy alternative to be salvaged, maybe a father or mother in law relationship where he proves his love to kinu and you both start to begrudgingly like each other, maybe he opens up to you and you can slap the edge out of him, that tropey family movie stuff.
 

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I went to see it to make sure it actually existed. That's what I do whenever I or anybody else references a scene I'm not sure about. Did the exact same thing when Lusamine and Hobgoblin scenes were brought up.

A scene existing changes how we view a character, and some people can't just act like things they don't like don't exist. The fact that I know Atugia just gives out oral to whoever changes her from a cute and somewhat shy tomboyish character into just another boring sex object akin to Cait. It seems like the character is monogamous and only does sexual things with who they really like and then... that happens. Now that is going to be in the back of my head whenever the character is brought up.

I would say your view is the weird one. Most people don't/can't magically forget about content that makes them upset. It also stings more when you realize the time spent writing that could've went into a scene you actually liked with said character. Same reason why people don't like Disney Star Wars, or the FF7R story changes, or anything along those lines.

Go and read the Hobgoblin rape scene and tell me again that you don't understand why people feel this way. If you're able to do that, then maybe something is just wrong with you lmao.
Absolutely. Although I think for clarity it is worth noting that I think that the two of you are kinda speaking about two different things.

A. He is talking about how some stuff COULD happen but does not if you don't choose for it to happen. For example a scene where you murder your wife because it is more moral than divorcing her (thanks fable). it is not canon to your story unless it actually happens.

B. You are talking about information revealed during optional scenes. In the above scenario, if the wife suddenly reveals that... actually she is secretely your sister all along! And your son is actually not yours! And she was born a man before having a magical sex change! what a twist!

The thing is. When a scene is "optionally canon" it does not mean the information revealed in it is false unless you get the scene. She is still your sister, born your brother, and cheated on you so you are a cuck even if you don't see the scene.
However, if you do not see the scene then IC the MC does not know that thing, and also he does not murder her.
 

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Sometimes you can be wrong, ya know.
...sure, but not here. Not because I have some special knowledge or anything....but because I'm giving my opinion on how I view things. There's not any right or wrong here, just discussing differing views. I'm not saying everyone should think the same way, just exploring.

My comment and Daken's are proof of that. In the original and New 52, Superboy-Prime punches reality which brings Jason back to life. In the Rebirth, he's resurrected via Liam Neeson's Lazarus Pit. Same character, different continuity. Again, the Batman who faced off against Ledger's Joker did not fight off the Batman Who Laughs who did not meet Sherlock Holmes who did not fuse with Nick Fury who did not fuse with Man-Thing as Man-Bat who is not his father in Flashpoint who is not Gordon's grandson who is not Elseworld's Batman who fights Jack the Ripper who is not Terry McGinnis like.... bro. Do you get it now? Terry McGinnis is Batman, so was he also fighting the Batman Who Laughs? The Batman Who Laughs is also Batman, so was he fighting himself? I mean, in your eyes they're all the same character.

What about when Superman landed in Gotham instead, and the Waynes adopted him and named him Bruce? And then Superman was Batman? Does that mean that Batman has fused with Captain America as well? So SupermanBatman/Captain America fought alongside Batman/Nick Fury? But those characters are the same too since they're also Batman, so it was Batman/Batman fighting alongside Batman/Batman. As horrifying as that is, the true horror is Amalgam being canon as a result of the Batmanning.
You're bringing up different continuities, that's explicitly not what I mean. I'm talking the same character, an issue or two later.
I understand different continuities exist; that's not at all what I'm referencing. I'm talking events and characters changing in the exact continuity, in the space of a few months. It happens constantly.

The examples I just gave were in exactly the same continuity. Not an alt universe, not a what if.
Authors like Bendis are notorious for this, ignoring things that don't fit the story they want to tell.

Or flipping to DC, we had Heroes in Crisis just a few years back; which everyone hated, and the effects of were almost immediately ignored.

It's just how comics have always worked. Different authors on a single continuity working on the same characters.
 

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Unrelated but why did the writers hate superboy prime so much? I only read some of the comics when I heard he was a punching bag of dc for a while and he had ridiculous feats and besides those and a few other comics I haven't read much or been into anything dc.
 

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Unrelated but why did the writers hate superboy prime so much? I only read some of the comics when I heard he was a punching bag of dc for a while and he had ridiculous feats and besides those and a few other comics I haven't read much or been into anything dc.
He represented forum nerds and trolls, basically. People who hated comic change. It was kind of a meta thing.
 
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