Others Corruption of Champions II [v0.7.15] [Savin/Salamander Studios]

[Tau_Iota]

Harley Quinn gave a bunch of kids explosive Gameboys and murdered them to get the Joker's attention. Poison Ivy used to feed random people to her giant plants and tease them as they slowly dissolved. Both of these happened in the last couple decades, and somehow both of them are heroes now.

Any long time superhero comics reader develops a fine ability to activate selective amnesia.
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You're bringing up different continuities, that's explicitly not what I mean. I'm talking the same character, an issue or two later.

You referenced Detective Comics 23.2 with the gameboys, which was published in 2012-2013 I think? Somewhere around there. Rebirth, launched in 2016, introduces a mainline Harley that leaves the Joker, and then Infinite Frontiers establishes her as a heroine. A relaunch and a few years apart, not "an issue or two later." I might be wrong, but I thought Rebirth rounded back to before Flashpoint, deleting what happened in New 52. Hard to keep track because DC is mismanaged as all hell.

Regardless, DC is a big company with many many more writers. Of course things will be forgotten or rewritten. CoC2 does not have nearly the years or writing staff to handwave these things as a change of writers or direction. A monolith making mistakes monoliths make is excusable, a small team should not be making the mistakes monoliths make because they don't have the same excuses. It's not as if Wsan left for the Mino to waste away and Tobs picked up where he left off, Tobs inserted himself into Wsan's character against Wsan's will. It leaves a bad taste in-game and in real life. Pain for both Mino and Wsan.

In comics you don't bemoan the 5402345th rewrite of Harley, because she's been rewritten 5402344 times already. In CoC2, you bemoan characters acting unlike themselves because they've only been written once.

 

[mrttao]

You're bringing up different continuities, that's explicitly not what I mean. I'm talking the same character, an issue or two later.
I understand different continuities exist; that's not at all what I'm referencing. I'm talking events and characters changing in the exact continuity, in the space of a few months. It happens constantly.

The examples I just gave were in exactly the same continuity. Not an alt universe, not a what if.
Authors like Bendis are notorious for this, ignoring things that don't fit the story they want to tell.

Or flipping to DC, we had Heroes in Crisis just a few years back; which everyone hated, and the effects of were almost immediately ignored.

It's just how comics have always worked. Different authors on a single continuity working on the same characters.

DC is actually a good example.

If you are playing a game set in DC and choose to be a villain instead of a hero, then events will play differently. But information you gather in one play-through applies to other. since they are both in the same continuity.

 

[Skandranon]

You referenced Detective Comics 23.2 with the gameboys, which was published in 2012-2013 I think? Somewhere around there. Rebirth, launched in 2016, introduces a mainline Harley that leaves the Joker, and then Infinite Frontiers establishes her as a heroine. A relaunch and a few years apart, not "an issue or two later." I might be wrong, but I thought Rebirth rounded back to before Flashpoint, deleting what happened in New 52. Hard to keep track because DC is mismanaged as all hell.

I compared her to herself the very next issue, in that reference though, not to today. She was completely different the next issue, when a new author got ahold of her. This is what I'm talking about happens on a regular basis.

Or even batter, comparing Harley in her comic to Harley in Suicide Squad; same Harley, two books, both canon and happening almost concurrently, both wildly different personalities.

And no, Rebirth didn't do that. Its the same Harley; Rebirth Harley has even referenced New 52 events (like her Power Girl team up). What Rebirth did do...is complicated. Not even sure the actual authors quite agre on what happened.

Regardless, DC is a big company with many many more writers. Of course things will be forgotten or rewritten. CoC2 does not have nearly the years or writing staff to handwave these things as a change of writers or direction. A monolith making mistakes monoliths make is excusable, a small team should not be making the mistakes monoliths make because they don't have the same excuses. It's not as if Wsan left for the Mino to waste away and Tobs picked up where he left off, Tobs inserted himself into Wsan's character against Wsan's will. It leaves a bad taste in-game and in real life. Pain for both Mino and Wsan.

In comics you don't bemoan the 5402345th rewrite of Harley, because she's been rewritten 5402344 times already. In CoC2, you bemoan characters acting unlike themselves because they've only been written once.

As someone who frequents comics forums constantly - yeah, people do bemoan EVERY change in character, ad infinitum.

And I think you're mistaking the thrust of what I'm saying here - I'm not defending the inconsistency itself. Whether it should happen or not isn't the point.

I'm talking about my attitude towards the material, not the quality of it. Bad taste or not, its something that's easy for me to just...brush off, and merrily continue on my way in a game where it didn't happen.

 

[Futa_Buddy]

I was wrong about the Arona oral, it was a blowie.

Also, apparently, I was also wrong about the reason she's so good- apparently Carmen gave her oral, but not vice versa.

My memory is going, I guess.



Carmen has a storyline that's just going to take a lot of time and work, and they're just putting it off.

Its also possible that it get scrapped or cut down (it already probably has been cut down, conceptually, since you aren't taking over the castle anymore), but as far as I know it's still on the docket.

Given her history with Evergreen, I wouldn't be surprised if the big content update for both cane close to each other.

Komari doesn't have any major story hooks though, afaik. Tobs has said she's supposed to get content, but who knows what or when.

I assume she would also be majorly involved in the plotline to get rid of the Kitsune that's supposedly supposed to materialize.

Thanks for the clarification and all the extra information! Hopefully this content gets made and not cut down (any further) or cancelled...

 

[smithsmithsmith]

Why not? The reason vanilla is considered basic is because it's about as non-offensive a flavor you can possibly get while still being generally pleasant.

Actually it's because the word vanilla draws it's roots from the Latin word vagina, which meant sheath. Vanilla sex literally just means vaginal sex which is normally considered the default/basic form of sex, hence vanilla being used as a synonym for basic.

 

[MarcusDBlack]

Spoiler: My money is on Skandranon

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Joke aside i agree with Skandranon on this one. Brienne&Atugia are still the same to me,even knowing that those scene exist cause it doesnt change a lot of things overall,(cause at the end of the day it's not that deep at least for me).
Tui doesnt suddenly become a lesser cait because of that scene.
And Brienne still the best.

 

[Daken9]

There's a big difference though between Brienne's rape by Tobs, or even that shit with Azzy by Skow where she actually enjoyed stuff, and Atugia's scene with Arona/Brint/whoever else by Gardefort, in that in one case it's another writer getting the character plain wrong (or frothing and lashing out) while in the other it's the character's creator just dead to rights introducing new angles to her.

In Ryn's case it's all a mess because for the longest time she didn't even have a main writer so she just comes off as a schizo, but say in Brienne's case i will keep not giving a shit about any scene that gets her wrong until it's from Wsan. Because if it's Wsan writing that shit then it's not that he's getting her wrong, it's that i was, which is the whole point.

 

[destroyerofassholes]

There's a big difference though between Brienne's rape by Tobs, or even that shit with Azzy by Skow where she actually enjoyed stuff, and Atugia's scene with Arona/Brint/whoever else by Gardefort, in that in one case it's another writer getting the character plain wrong (or frothing and lashing out) while in the other it's the character's creator just dead to rights introducing new angles to her.

In Ryn's case it's all a mess because for the longest time she didn't even have a main writer so she just comes off as a schizo, but say in Brienne's case i will keep not giving a shit about any scene that gets her wrong until it's from Wsan. Because if it's Wsan writing that shit then it's not that he's getting her wrong, it's that i was, which is the whole point.

I simply ignore Brienne's rape scene so idc much about it, so I didn't really read most of the arguments going on here about it.

What I don't get is, Wsan did post on DC about how "the damage was done" about that scene right? The character's writer himself doesn't approve.

 

[MoneyMan181]

Okay I don't think I properly expressed my feelings so lemme try again:

I don't actually care that much the scenes I'm talking about. Maybe I didn't convey that well enough, but I didn't mean to imply they genuinely upset me very much. It just wraps back around to tonal issues that these scenes don't really fit the character and makes these characters feel muddled. I also didn't mean to say Atugia's scene is anywhere close to the same level of Brienne's when it comes to that issue, just that they both feel strange for the character. I can ignore these things to personally enjoy the character, but I'm not going to ignore them when it comes to evaluating the game if that makes any sense.

Hopefully that makes things more clear. Can't believe I'm having a discussion about a porn game while I'm on vacation.

 

[NaturalEnclave]

This is probably a bit of a cope post, but here is my take on weird content that doesn't fit the game. It doesn't exist.
Now, how come it doesn't exist? It's in the game, therefore it's canon, right? Well, no, because CoC2 arbitrarily picks what's canon and what not. Some time ago, there was a discussion about bad ends in this thread, where we learned that NOTHING that happens in bad ends is canon or is supposed to make sense or fit the game. And it applies to all bad endings.
It doesn't matter if it's a Skyrim Reference or an actually well-writen what-if scenario that gets all characters right and shows the sides of them we usually don't get to see - none of it is canon because... uhh... I don't know.

So if the devs just arbitrarily decide what is canon and what isn't - so can we. That NTR Brienne scene? It did not happen. Thankfully it is self-contained and doesn't have to do with anything else in the game. So, we can just forget it was ever part of the videogame. But it can stay in our head as a proof that some writers are very fucking salty.

 

[arls120]

Just use selective amnesia don't fuck with your brain with stupid things.............. how do you think I enjoy the content of quint and takahiro? just ignore what doesn't interest you and that's it. I even use it with brint and berwyn.

 

[hater45]

This is why Fenoxo did the right choice and not do companions in TiTs. Focus only on the player agency and everyone is happy.

 

[Quintilus]

Just use selective amnesia don't fuck with your brain with stupid things.............. how do you think I enjoy the content of quint and takahiro? just ignore what doesn't interest you and that's it. I even use it with brint and berwyn.

Ignoring you, m8, since thats doesn`t interes me.

 

[Konstantinus]

This is why Fenoxo did the right choice and not do companions in TiTs. Focus only on the player agency and everyone is happy.

You mean beside the robot companions and your slime armor? Though yeah I like it better without companions too. Because in all RPGs we will strangely have to leave some companions behind. The only RPG that as far as I know explain it is Final Fantasy Tactics Advance because the Judge system restrict you to a limited number. But else there is no explanation why we not can go with all our companions.
In CoC II I can at least head canon it for me that Ryn and Arona are busy with ruling, Tui and Azy doing protection and Brienne is left home because I will not let my MILF set out any danger when she is busy letting grow another little mino in her. Kyo is not let out of her small sealed world so the for me suitable characters to take with are Cait and Quin because both can neither get pregnant nor have anything else important to take care of and Berwyn has the disadvantage that I can only have one summon out.

 

[arls120]

Ignoring you, m8, since thats doesn`t interes me.

anyway you're not a bad stud i just ignore the fact that you threaten me during sex that you could use your magic to wash my head xd

 

[Tau_Iota]

For those Doods, arguing about the usual stuff again, here, take my two cents! Take 'em!
(Few pages back iirc)

Funny bait is funny, but nah my fiancee has been in the hospital the past month. Finally coming home the 14th! Although idk if I'm one of "the Doods", probably but idk. I'll take and spend your two cents anyway lmao

I talk about this stuff because CoC1 was my introduction to porn games (aside from old flash games), so obviously it's fun to talk about CoC2 and its goods and bads.

 

[Archaon11111]

This is why Fenoxo did the right choice and not do companions in TiTs. Focus only on the player agency and everyone is happy.

Eh Fenoxo introduced the crew system which is arguably worse

 

[namelessdudewithnoname]

The Crew system is very barebones but at least I can kick every character I don't like out. Also there's very few good Crew members other than Paige and Azra

 

[hater45]

Eh Fenoxo introduced the crew system which is arguably worse

The crew system is an enigma as it is just a way to store sex scenes in a centralized place. It has little bearing to your adventures outside unlike the companion system. Look at Cait, she is EVERYWHERE because you have to take her early on due to her being the only healer at the time. It was so dumb to the point where she somehow joined the wedding scene even when she wasn't in the party. With the exception of Anno (ironically by Savin) is the only one you really see pop up outside your adventures.

 

[Quintilus]

anyway you're not a bad stud i just ignore the fact that you threaten me during sex that you could use your magic to wash my head xd

I mean, have you ever used a shower in game? No?! How about magical head wash, at least?