Others Corruption of Champions II [v0.7.15] [Savin/Salamander Studios]

[Leon_Arkwing]

that doesn't work for the downloaded version, that only works for the browser version, which i don't have

 

[undyingrevenant]

I don't get why kiyoko doesn't have more mama bear moments, especially when each den mother is supposed to be fully combat trained and she spent more time alone and then with you and all her kids than the den, so you'd figure she'd have reactions bordering on mental breakdowns when the attacks happen, you'd figure she'd be AT LEAST as defensive of the champion as brienne is; brienne will face down your party and a paladin stronger than any of you saying "back off my man" while kiyoko just instantly "betrays" you to a point for the kitsune culture, not caring for your opinions or more strongly defending you from Nakanos quips for example.

Gwyns a better breeder, briennes a better waifu, heck arona is now while also having her own culture and leader role, aileh's a better parent sim. If you're treating her like a car there's nothing to sell her on besides "well, there's a lot of stuff to read. Shes not as fun as the other kitsune and your kid has parent issues right out of the box, she tells you little, doesn't particularly want to invite you to anything and doesn't care for your opinions."

She's the poster girl for the game besides kas; but has a fraction of the emotion and love kas shows. As the game progresses, since I guess kiyokos considered uh ""feature complete"", and more characters are added, I think it's probably going to get worse for her, not better. They really really need to build on existing characters, and of course they can do it later on, but when they do that they increase the risk of another Berwyn or just abandon them and rely on volunteer work for anything else. Cait gets more content everywhere while everyone else is either a "one day" or "write it yourself for free specifically how we want or shut up".

If youre going to have characters talking about suicide, child murder, non sexy rape, snapping necks in self defense, full body burns, massacres, abuse, slavery, totally not child grooming we just have children scrub old people all over their bodies, you need characters to back it up and can't hide behind "it's a smut game lol". Characters need to be liked by people instead of just "well they have a hot scene my job is done here".

 

[MoneyMan181]

That attitude isn't the only difference between them, though. Orlaith and Mara's sheer physicality isn't the same as Lyla domming your through degradation, or Hashat's single minded dedication (if you're an elf), or Arona's joy in actually constantly reminding and demonstrating your place in your relationship as well as her switch to a more caring side when your pregnancy happens, or Eryka's fits of violent dommi-ness...

Again, I can make the exact same points for sub characters and already have. Regardless of their finer points or whatever you wanna call it, dom characters are still mostly similar enough that you can classify them as the same category. Sub characters certainly do not have fewer differences when compared to dom characters, especially to the point where you'd use umbrella terms for them and not do the same for dom ones. Honestly seems like you're being contrarian just for the sake of it here.

when he tried to intimately describe your character's reaction to her burnt bits during sex, and how you were banging the trauma out of her or something...it was pretty bad.

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No comment. Just.....no comment.

 

[Skandranon]

Again, I can make the exact same points for sub characters and already have. Regardless of their finer points or whatever you wanna call it, dom characters are still mostly similar enough that you can classify them as the same category. Sub characters certainly do not have fewer differences when compared to dom characters, especially to the point where you'd use umbrella terms for them and not do the same for dom ones. Honestly seems like you're being contrarian just for the sake of it here.

Eh, probably just something we'll have to disagree on.

 

[VeryMeta]

The way the Rindo stuff is written seems really really fucked up to me. By the time I got to her I wasn't really closely reading any stuff TOBS wrote but I clearly remember the line "she's not beautiful in spite of her scars - she's beautiful because of them" which I suppose is supposed to be a romantic kinda line but I imagine telling a person with a severe physical disability of some kind that you want to put your dick in 'em because you think its hot that they've got extensive scarring etc would be a kind of statement that would probably immediately terminate any sexual/romantic relationship.

 

[Raf-Raf]

"she's not beautiful in spite of her scars - she's beautiful because of them"

Man, I never thought an amputee would look this hot.
or even
Look at that cripple, she has no LEGS, that's so fucking hot!!!
She has cancer??? THAT'S GOOD STUFF!!!

 

[Noone202]

Man, I never thought an amputee would look this hot.
or even
Look at that cripple, she has no LEGS, that's so fucking hot!!!
She has cancer??? THAT'S GOOD STUFF!!!

Japanese people does have that word where a damaged good but repaired is a beauty of it's own (Wasabi I think)....but I think Tobs is just mentally ill.

 

[Raf-Raf]

Japanese people does have that word where a damaged good but repaired is a beauty of it's own (Wasabi I think)....but I think Tobs is just mentally ill.

I guess Rindo is a budget version of Sylvie in Teaching Feeling.

 

[VeryMeta]

Japanese people does have that word where a damaged good but repaired is a beauty of it's own (Wasabi I think)....but I think Tobs is just mentally ill.

Yes tobs did refer to that concept at least once that I recall in Rindo's dialogue so I presume that was the exciting new Japanese concept he had just now learned of. The problem is that that's kind of a fucked up thing to apply to another person. And I think even tobs knows this because you get like three options on first meeting Rindo, to 1) sympathise, 2) not react any special way and 3) to call her ugly or something similarly dumb and I'm pretty sure the 'best' option (in terms of not upsetting her) is to not react. So he knows that you probably shouldn't be calling people with extensive scarring sexy because they got the scars but also he didn't know how else to make the whole 'repair with gold' concept work so he just did it anyway.

 

[Basty96]

I guess Rindo is a budget version of Sylvie in Teaching Feeling.

OY don't compare this shit to Headpat Simulator

 

[Raf-Raf]

OY don't compare this shit to Headpat Simulator

Fine then, FROM WISH.

 

[Fiz1247]

I guess Rindo is a budget version of Sylvie in Teaching Feeling.

I think it's that girl from Katawa Shoujo with the burns

 

[Daken9]

100%. Dude literally just played Katawa Shojo and went mine now



Which, fine if he'd done something with it, but he's a pseudo intellectual. Just twists around themes he doesn't understand until they fit with his honestly limited preconceptions, so you end up with burn scars be beautiful and bacon-smelling vajay.

 

[Raf-Raf]

100%. Dude literally just played Katawa Shojo and went mine now

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Which, fine if he'd done something with it, but he's a pseudo intellectual. Just twists around themes he doesn't understand until they fit with his honestly limited preconceptions, so you end up with burn scars be beautiful and bacon-smelling vajay.

I think I'll take schoolgirl toast over fox lady toast.

 

[Shiro15]

Similarly, if TOBs had included a sequence where the MC could choose to say "daughter dearest, I think you should marry the racist samurai who holds me in deep contempt" (or something similar) and Kinu could reply "thank you for your insight, papa/mama but I think I wish to marry the aggressively inoffensive farmer man instead", he could have disarmed the 'your allegedly-loving family does not care what you have to say about your child's marriage' criticism. The result, that hime would marry a racist and that inari would marry a very bland person, could still be exactly the same regardless of player input if for some reason TOBs was really committed to that dynamic, but the game wouldn't have had to actively tell the player "no shut up sit down you don't matter right now".

In CoC1 you have the Kangaroo clan and you meet Shelia. Now at first she completely distrust you and depending on choices you make, she can turn hostile or be friendly with you. She doesn't immediately sleep with you and the process to get her to join your camp ( which rather tedious imo) is tide to the games lore. Kangaroo's like many other races (dragons and salamanders) are on the verge of going extinct. So, she can't immediately leave due to her personal beliefs and how the game works. She only gets approval later because her captain believes her being with you will replenish their population, while Shelia goes with you because you show that you care.

My point for bringing this up is if you're a slightly competent writer you can have these culture clashes or conflicts in a porn game without it being to dark or taking away the players iteractions with characters. The kitsunes have their own culture and if Tobs gave the player choices like you pointed out it could greatly improve the gameplay of this game. He could include dead ends like Kinu's choice in partner, just to show how certain characters feel or that you're not always going to be able to change peoples mind. But then give other areas where you can more freely interact with other characters, such as do you help the kitsune be self-sufficent leading to them becoming more isolasionist and more racist/cautious of outsiders. Or do you help the ones who want to explore and interact with the locals. Each choice could lead to a new problem and branching quest. Depending on how you interacted with Kinu and Kiyoko while they were trapped in the mirror could change whether they back you up in these choices or whether they distance themselves from you.

The problem with this of course would be that it wouldn't allow TOBs to write about serious, adult, intellectual things like weirdos who want to inflict grievous bodily harm on others for poorly-explained reasons and families that are falling apart because no one knows how to talk to each other. Most of the (thematic) problems I have with TOBs as a writer is that he appears to be of the school of thought that "more dark = more gooder" and the more violence and contrived 'dilemmas' (hmmm should I murder these prisoners of war for no real reason or not? What to do, what to do) he can put in the better a writer he is. This is very obviously not only false in and of itself but it often leads to situations where his writing strongly clashes with the tones most of the other authors have adopted for CoC2.

You can also have dark things in this game if you set it up properly. In CoC1 you have Kiha a lizard girl who was turned into a dragon by the demons in one scene after she fed up with you trying to be nice to her all the time she decides to go and attack the demon base by herself. When you next see her its clear she's been raped by the demons. (kind sucks you can't prevent the rape of her) Will say this CoC1's world seems harsher than CoC2's so this probably why the darker elements can work themselves into that game without being jarring. I honestly just think Tob's need to get out of their own way. The kitsune stuff was the stuff I most enjoyed as I "thought" it would be the most dynamic part of the game, but it really falls flat in the second act. It has the potential to be a good story line.

P.S

Yes tobs did refer to that concept at least once that I recall in Rindo's dialogue so I presume that was the exciting new Japanese concept he had just now learned of. The problem is that that's kind of a fucked up thing to apply to another person. And I think even tobs knows this because you get like three options on first meeting Rindo, to 1) sympathise, 2) not react any special way and 3) to call her ugly or something similarly dumb and I'm pretty sure the 'best' option (in terms of not upsetting her) is to not react. So he knows that you probably shouldn't be calling people with extensive scarring sexy because they got the scars but also he didn't know how else to make the whole 'repair with gold' concept work so he just did it anyway.

I think beyond the first encounter Tobs shouldn't be hyper focusing on Rindo's scars. The thing that made me like Rindo was she was the only one who didn't treat you like dog shit. While she does uphold a lot of the Kitsunes values, it doesn't stop her from being civil with you. Her, Kohaku, and the milf fox are the best part of the kitsune den (when spending time with a freed Kiyoko and Kinu should be.) The beauty isn't in the scars its in her personality for me. I'm assuming that's what their going for, but once again the writing kinda makes it weird like the PC has a fetish for burn ward victims.

 

[Wrynn13]

Potential is a good word for this game. It has a great deal of potential, and yet falls flat time and again as the devs trip over their on egos. But that potential is still there and keeps drawing me back in.

 

[Raf-Raf]

In CoC1 you have the Kangaroo clan and you meet Shelia. Now at first she completely distrust you and depending on choices you make, she can turn hostile or be friendly with you. She doesn't immediately sleep with you and the process to get her to join your camp ( which rather tedious imo) is tide to the games lore. Kangaroo's like many other races (dragons and salamanders) are on the verge of going extinct. So, she can't immediately leave due to her personal beliefs and how the game works. She only gets approval later because her captain believes her being with you will replenish their population, while Shelia goes with you because you show that you care.

My point for bringing this up is if you're a slightly competent writer you can have these culture clashes or conflicts in a porn game without it being to dark or taking away the players iteractions with characters. The kitsunes have their own culture and if Tobs gave the player choices like you pointed out it could greatly improve the gameplay of this game. He could include dead ends like Kinu's choice in partner, just to show how certain characters feel or that you're not always going to be able to change peoples mind. But then give other areas where you can more freely interact with other characters, such as do you help the kitsune be self-sufficent leading to them becoming more isolasionist and more racist/cautious of outsiders. Or do you help the ones who want to explore and interact with the locals. Each choice could lead to a new problem and branching quest. Depending on how you interacted with Kinu and Kiyoko while they were trapped in the mirror could change whether they back you up in these choices or whether they distance themselves from you.



You can also have dark things in this game if you set it up properly. In CoC1 you have Kiha a lizard girl who was turned into a dragon by the demons in one scene after she fed up with you trying to be nice to her all the time she decides to go and attack the demon base by herself. When you next see her its clear she's been raped by the demons. (kind sucks you can't prevent the rape of her) Will say this CoC1's world seems harsher than CoC2's so this probably why the darker elements can work themselves into that game without being jarring. I honestly just think Tob's need to get out of their own way. The kitsune stuff was the stuff I most enjoyed as I "thought" it would be the most dynamic part of the game, but it really falls flat in the second act. It has the potential to be a good story line.

Salute to ya' good sir.

Meanwhile they still say CoC2 is a better game than CoC1? Give a damn break you morons.
This game is like an HD improvement of graphics and all that but no improvement and instead downgrades of what made it good in the first place.

 

[Tau_Iota]

I just want more story progression and more levels. The level cap is getting beyond annoying at this point.

 

[Lord Kentus]

I just want more story progression and more levels. The level cap is getting beyond annoying at this point.

Agreed but I don't expect anything to done about it, being able to comfortably fight enemies is power fantasy after all

 

[tetrisedris]

Does the game havy any corruption by now, or is it still limited to three kasyrra scenes and the disappointment that was winter city? as in, are there finally any female (!!!!!!!!!) character that start normal and gets turned into sluts? (and dont just disappear after a one time scene showcasing what could be)