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- Jul 4, 2019
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Tobs is the worst human being. What a huge disappointment.
- May 25, 2020
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Meh, I don't like heat so not really doing anything for me, I prefer more sub than dom, and the absence of a dick and tits aren't rare so not really a lure.
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Same, but also think this game makes a bad job in general of portraying the dom side. When the dominant one is the Champion then it's mostly fine, but when it's a NPC it's like they equate dominant to domineering idiot (=Agni) and submissive to spineless cuck (=PC when they interact with Agni). Wasn't too into it 'cause overall not my thing, but thought the bathhouse cow was one of the few done right. Brint too from what i'm told, although he's also the fattest example of them writers shoving too much cuck play into dom/sub scenarios (which in his case arguably not worth since that kinda content just splits his own fanbase down the middle, while making him actively unpopular with everyone else).
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Tobs got Ciri killed 100%
It's funny you say this because part of the reason I prefer pc sub in this game is because I think th exact opposite.
Most NPC sub scenes are very similar imo, and basically break down into aggressively subby (Brienne) or small shivery prey animal sub (Clementine). I feel like I could do a straight swap between a bunch of characters playing sub and noone could tell aside from physical differences.
Meanwhile, I feel like the differences between doms tends to be pretty well delineated.
- Jun 23, 2019
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I stopped following the game for a while now, cause in my opinion it's gone down the shitter (this being even before KM), and I've been sticking to just Xianxia, cause it's at least fun, but god damn am I invested in all the comments in this thread, it's addicting.
You have an extremely relevant username if your PoV is the same as mine.
- Jun 23, 2019
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Well, I was definitely less cackling and more bored as shit after playing the game, cause not only is the level cap way too low, one of the last pieces of content I interacted with was the accursed kitsune den.
Oh I was referring more to the comments than the game, but I can understand both sentiments.
- Jun 23, 2019
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Oh, fair enough, the comments are still plenty fun, including the occasional discord screenshot of devs being shitters, as I said, it's addicting.
But I still find it kinda sad that nothing so far managed to really emulate the fun and gameplay style of the original CoC, and the sequel, which would be the one with the most potential to do so, kinda turned into a shitshow development-wise, and the gameplay is just kind of...limiting? Lesser? Somehow more expanded but less fun than the really basic formula that the original had? The closest ones to come to that sweet spot that I can remember are like, DoL (Which isn't for me, even if it's an objectively pretty good game), and Flexible Survival, but feel like they just kinda miss that mark by a tiny bit, kinda like an itch in that spot on your back you can't really reach properly.
Even for older content its not very good. Anything involving centaurs or Spiderfolk is wildly incomplete and flat-out wrong (The race is supposed to be Drider, as in Drider Queen, not Spiderfolk). And this is stuff thats been in the game for several years now.
I don't fault the team for focusing on making content instead of maintaining the wiki, but by looking at the wiki you can really tell that most of the team is extremely narrow focused.
From what I understand the team doesn't update the wiki at all. It just a few volunteers who ask the staff.
Whoever is volunteering for CoC2 apparently sucks, because the wiki is waaaay worse than the TiTs one, which is pretty comprehensive.
- Sep 6, 2019
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This some bias if I've ever seen it. I really don't know how you could look at Azyrran, Brienne, Cat Harem, Kiyoko, Valencia, Etheryn, Milly, and Cait and come to the conclusion that they all fit into just those 2 categories. Meanwhile with the dom characters, I just feel like just another talking dildo/onahole they can use to get themselves off. Orlaith, dom Arona, Zuzaan, Sandre, Mara, Lyla, Hashat, etc., all just make me feel like a piece of meat they don't really give a shit about. Evergreen, Evelyn, and the horse futa harem chick are the only ones that don't feel homogeneous with every other dommy character.
And this is coming from a guy who actually likes dickgirls and both sides of sub/dom content.
I feel like there is a difference between a child-character (child as in someone's kid not necessarily a person who is not an adult) wanting to do their own thing and be independent and have adventures and fun in their own ways without parental interference and oversight and what TOBs wrote. What TOBs created seems to me to be wholly manufactured drama and edge. If Kinu did a bit where you could check in with her every so often and she'd be like "hi mother/father dearest I have just returned from a fun journey allow me to regale you with an overlong and uninteresting tale of my travels" then that... well it still wouldn't have been very good but it would have allowed TOBs to a) do his stuff where he just decides to just drop a full-length non-erotic short story into the fantasy porn game apropos of nothing and b) explore his desired themes about a character who wants to be someone other just than the daughter of a princess and a famous hero.
Similarly, if TOBs had included a sequence where the MC could choose to say "daughter dearest, I think you should marry the racist samurai who holds me in deep contempt" (or something similar) and Kinu could reply "thank you for your insight, papa/mama but I think I wish to marry the aggressively inoffensive farmer man instead", he could have disarmed the 'your allegedly-loving family does not care what you have to say about your child's marriage' criticism. The result, that hime would marry a racist and that inari would marry a very bland person, could still be exactly the same regardless of player input if for some reason TOBs was really committed to that dynamic, but the game wouldn't have had to actively tell the player "no shut up sit down you don't matter right now".
The problem with this of course would be that it wouldn't allow TOBs to write about serious, adult, intellectual things like weirdos who want to inflict grievous bodily harm on others for poorly-explained reasons and families that are falling apart because no one knows how to talk to each other. Most of the (thematic) problems I have with TOBs as a writer is that he appears to be of the school of thought that "more dark = more gooder" and the more violence and contrived 'dilemmas' (hmmm should I murder these prisoners of war for no real reason or not? What to do, what to do) he can put in the better a writer he is. This is very obviously not only false in and of itself but it often leads to situations where his writing strongly clashes with the tones most of the other authors have adopted for CoC2.
Similarly, if TOBs had included a sequence where the MC could choose to say "daughter dearest, I think you should marry the racist samurai who holds me in deep contempt" (or something similar) and Kinu could reply "thank you for your insight, papa/mama but I think I wish to marry the aggressively inoffensive farmer man instead", he could have disarmed the 'your allegedly-loving family does not care what you have to say about your child's marriage' criticism. The result, that hime would marry a racist and that inari would marry a very bland person, could still be exactly the same regardless of player input if for some reason TOBs was really committed to that dynamic, but the game wouldn't have had to actively tell the player "no shut up sit down you don't matter right now".
The problem with this of course would be that it wouldn't allow TOBs to write about serious, adult, intellectual things like weirdos who want to inflict grievous bodily harm on others for poorly-explained reasons and families that are falling apart because no one knows how to talk to each other. Most of the (thematic) problems I have with TOBs as a writer is that he appears to be of the school of thought that "more dark = more gooder" and the more violence and contrived 'dilemmas' (hmmm should I murder these prisoners of war for no real reason or not? What to do, what to do) he can put in the better a writer he is. This is very obviously not only false in and of itself but it often leads to situations where his writing strongly clashes with the tones most of the other authors have adopted for CoC2.
Obviously I'm generalizing to an extent, but yeah, all of those characters I think pretty easily fit into one of those two categories - except when they arent being the sub, which some of those characters switch up sometimes.
There's some that aren't as good as others, of course, but by and large I think they have pretty decent differences. Lyla is pretty heavily into humiliation play, Orlaith and Mara are somewhat similar of course but still feel pretty distinct from everyone else, dom Arona definitely provides a way meaner experience than most of the others, etc.
Oh, don't get me wrong, I also like both dom and sub stuff usually pretty equally - just not in this game specifically.
Imo, the dominant character is usually the one determining the flow of the scene ‐ providing most of the flavor. The sub is important of course, but how the scene changes usually is determined by the dom.
And the PC character is a boring blob of nothing, so PC dom scenes tend to not be able to express as much and flow worse than PC sub scenes.
- Sep 6, 2019
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You can say the same thing about sub content. Really I have no idea how Kiyoko fits into "aggressively subby" or "small shivery prey" even a little bit. Brienne is if you want a super slutty girl in the sheets but super loving girl in the streets, Azzy if you want something gentler and sweeter(heh), Valencia if you want a very shy but very willing partner, Cait if you want something super casual, Cat Harem if you want to feel like pampered royalty, etc. Kiyoko, Azy, Etheryn(high confidence), and Cait definitely don't fit into either category.
Again, at the end of the day, they almost all make you feel like a piece of meat. Something that they use for pleasure and don't really care about what happens with you afterwards. There might be slightly different flavors of it, but they all have the same general attitude when it comes to the champ/sex. I actually feel different characters view me differently with sub content where they could view you as a spouse, a fuckbuddy, their owner, or just a way to blow off steam; while with dom content they're all just "I'm just going to use you for my own pleasure and you're going to (hopefully) like it."
Skill(writing) issue. For some reason these writers are afraid to give the champ personality in any scenes unless it fits their own narrative. It's not too hard to still let the player feel in control and self-insert while also giving the vessel they control a personality of their own. Wsan does a pretty decent job at it but when TOBS writes it for example, the PC may as well be one of those hentai protagonists with hair covering their eyes. Wait those guys actually have more personality than the way TOBS writes the champ...
Sorry, I haven't really played fox content, so I can't actually speak to Kiyoko specifically.
But I'd personally categorize Brienne, Cait, Cat Harem and high confidence Ryn into what I'd call "aggressively subby", and Valencia and low confidence Ryn into the other category. Azzy I don't really think of as that much of a sub in the first place.
I'm not saying the characters have zero differences, but I think in sex scenes they show fewer differences than the doms.
I also thiiink (not positive though) there are more subby characters, so it just might also be the number coloring my perceptions.
That attitude isn't the only difference between them, though. Orlaith and Mara's sheer physicality isn't the same as Lyla domming your through degradation, or Hashat's single minded dedication (if you're an elf), or Arona's joy in actually constantly reminding and demonstrating your place in your relationship as well as her switch to a more caring side when your pregnancy happens, or Eryka's fits of violent dommi-ness...
Whatever the issue is, the result is that player dom scenes, imo, have noticeably looser and less descriptive writing. And I don't even think Wsan is immune to that; he barely writes player dom in the first place that I can remember. He generally writes his scenes to have a bigger focus on the NPC, which is why I think his sex scenes are so great; they're really good at showcasing the personality of the characters in them.
I think Tobs tends to actually focus a lot more of the player's thoughts than other people which...doesn't always have great results. One of the only times early on I did some fox stuff, I did Rindo's first sex scene, and noped out when he tried to intimately describe your character's reaction to her burnt bits during sex, and how you were banging the trauma out of her or something...it was pretty bad.