Others Corruption of Champions II [v0.8.17] [Savin/Salamander Studios]

[Jbuster]

Paying does make criticism more valid since they are the customers. Why would they care about the opinions from people who wont fund the staff they have to pay to keep the game alive?

Can you elaborate on 'slop'? And can you explain how all futa characters except 4 are identical? Also not all characters need to be romanceable, some wont due to circumstance, others wont due to preferences, that's how it should work.

The point wasn't specifically Alante, the point was it's an identical reaction to any futa content.

No, paying just give someone the right to voice their opinion through the official channels to do so, it gives weight for them to influence what the game should be, that criticism is worthy for them, not for us. Bringing it up here is meaningless as this is a piracy forum, money here makes no difference and in every other context, it shouldn't affect the content of someone's opinion at least from a general outlook

Genuine question. has anyone ever compiled the list of futas and shemales (or any other archtypes for that matter) then compared them based on personality. I know the futadom is all the same bullshit 75% of the time but its curiosu how often archtypes repeat in the game.

Asking for this with holy week so close?, I'm tempted to do it

 

[Boardguy]

Asking for this with holy week so close?, I'm tempted to do it

Was asking cause it genuinely seems coc1 had less repetition despite having similar character archetypes. Coc2 might have more futadom overall and per capjta, but coc1 most were complete switches or leaned towards sub (I think heckel was more dom with Izma being alot like Arona cept way more controllable.)Could be wrong ofc.

 

[Bloep]

Was asking cause it genuinely seems coc1 had less repetition despite having similar character archetypes. Coc2 might have more futadom overall and per capjta, but coc1 most were complete switches or leaned towards sub (I think heckel was more dom with Izma being alot like Arona cept way more controllable.)Could be wrong ofc.

Shit, i'm kinda hard pressed to remember one futa dom in CoC.
You had the mouse girl, she was pretty submissive. Urta was more equal. Izma you had to dom the shit out of for her to join the camp. You literally become her alpha IIRC. Marble was kinda dommy i guess, but it's really more like an equal relationship.
The dragon chick was also mostly subby. Anemone kid was also very subby.
There was that one shapeshifting omnibus who you could dominate, but she would kinda reverse dom you? Sera is kinda the same in TiTs if you enslave her and let her keep her dick. Wish CoC 2 had a character like that, i found the dynamic interesting.
The horse yoga girl? She was kinda dommy-ish, right?
Only other ones i can think of are the cum witch and Izma, but letting both of them dom you leads to a bad end.

Damn, CoC 1 barely had any futa dom content now that i'm thinking about it and typing it out. Wonder what caused the shift for the sequel.

 

[Skandranon]

There wasn't just no futadom in CoC; there were barely any doms at all in CoC, and not many futas.


You are forgetting Loppe though. i liked Loppe.

Shit, i'm kinda hard pressed to remember one futa dom in CoC.
You had the mouse girl, she was pretty submissive. Urta was more equal. Izma you had to dom the shit out of for her to join the camp. You literally become her alpha IIRC. Marble was kinda dommy i guess, but it's really more like an equal relationship.
The dragon chick was also mostly subby. Anemone kid was also very subby.
There was that one shapeshifting omnibus who you could dominate, but she would kinda reverse dom you? Sera is kinda the same in TiTs if you enslave her and let her keep her dick. Wish CoC 2 had a character like that, i found the dynamic interesting.
The horse yoga girl? She was kinda dommy-ish, right?
Only other ones i can think of are the cum witch and Izma, but letting both of them dom you leads to a bad end.

Damn, CoC 1 barely had any futa dom content now that i'm thinking about it and typing it out. Wonder what caused the shift for the sequel.

CoC1 doesnt really have that many futas in general by default.

I'd say the shift had more to do with TiTs thans CoC1. TiTs had a Kickstarter and a Patreon; it ran for several years after CoC was gone and before CoC2; it had more visibility than CoC ever did - most of the writers that are vets are probably vets of ToTs if anything.

Anyway, futa was always one of Fen's big fetishes, which was why it was in CoC1; but he wasn't the only writer AND he let people donate to determine what he'd add to the game. The audience was more vanilla back then (well, general furry and monstergirl audience) so it resulted in mostly chicks.

TiTs came around and there was more writers, and more cash coming in for whatever Fen wanted to write. Plus, the writers and community CoC had cultivated who liked the unique parts of CoC1 (like futa) stuck around. So you get more futa and more kinds of futa.

Fen got to write more of what he wants, and he like dommy chicks with dicks. This attracts a community that likes the same; the community produces writers who like the same. Thise writers and community roll right over to CoC2.


tl;dr
stuff gets written -> people who like that stuff stick around -> some of those people become writers and write more of that stuff-> repeat.

Writers reflect the audience; audience reflects writers.

 

[Boardguy]

Loppe was more a switch and I think one of the most aggressive in sex futanari in coc1.No idea if it's a moded thing but sex goes on for more than 1 hour and you gain a point in toughness too. Like a less rng version of drinking ember blood or learning from Arian (who you can also make a herm). Speaking of Arian, very anally focused.

 

[MoneyMan181]

Paying does make criticism more valid since they are the customers. Why would they care about the opinions from people who wont fund the staff they have to pay to keep the game alive?

...Because paying someone does not automatically make what you say true and vice versa? If I use someone else's Netflix account to watch something, does that mean my opinion doesn't matter because I wasn't paying to watch it? If I read a book at the public library, does it mean my thoughts on it are immediately null and void because I didn't pay for the book?

What you're saying is the same as, "somebody that doesn't buy micro-transactions in a free-to-play game does not deserve to get their voice heard by the dev no matter how much they play the game or well-meaning their voice is." That's just silly.

Can you elaborate on 'slop'? And can you explain how all futa characters except 4 are identical?

I do not have the wherewithal to educate you on what slop means, just look up slop content. I did not say they are identical, I said they aren't meaningfully different. As in, the different characters fulfill different niches and do not render each other redundant. Hell, let's just look at the futatuars(I am going to refer to any character with tits and a dick as part of the futa umbrella as it's not a huge difference in practice most of the time.). I'm sure you'll disagree as it's your character, but Orlaith and Kaly's content are very similar to the point of redundancy. Both are futa centaurs that try to coax the PC into essentially being addicted to giving them oral. Kalysea does this better and drives home the point more, so if I didn't know Kalysea was a commission(which the average player will not) I would be left wondering why all that content wouldn't just have been given to Orlaith. I mean hell, they're even both focused on protecting nature.

This extends to regular futas as well. Dragon Eve is not super different from Arona, who is not super different from Octavia, who is not super different from Hashat. Sure you can say they each have slightly different things going for them, like the sex marathons with Octavia or elf obsession with Hashat. But at the end of the day, these differences aren't really big enough to make each character distinct enough to justify the amount of work put into them. They all blend into a mush and I don't find myself caring about them as a consequence.

Though I guess none of what I just said matters as I didn't pay for the game ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[Yeppers34]

I mean we go through this song and dance every couple of months, someone will come in and say "erm actually there's not alot of futas in the game, nothing you guys say matter it's a piracy forum." There will be some back and fourth and then half the thread gets nuked. I can't speak for everyone but I'm pretty sure the vast majority of us here know anything we say here doesn't matter to the development of the game and it'll continue as is regardless of our grievances.

 

[Skandranon]

Hell, let's just look at the futatuars(I am going to refer to any character with tits and a dick as part of the futa umbrella as it's not a huge difference in practice most of the time.). I'm sure you'll disagree as it's your character, but Orlaith and Kaly's content are very similar to the point of redundancy. Both are futa centaurs that try to coax the PC into essentially being addicted to giving them oral. Kalysea does this better and drives home the point more, so if I didn't know Kalysea was a commission(which the average player will not) I would be left wondering why all that content wouldn't just have been given to Orlaith. I mean hell, they're even both focused on protecting nature.

This extends to regular futas as well. Dragon Eve is not super different from Arona, who is not super different from Octavia, who is not super different from Hashat. Sure you can say they each have slightly different things going for them, like the sex marathons with Octavia or elf obsession with Hashat. But at the end of the day, these differences aren't really big enough to make each character distinct enough to justify the amount of work put into them. They all blend into a mush and I don't find myself caring about them as a consequence.

Eh, i def don't agree with the examples you picked there. I think there's some overlap, but a lot less than you're outlining here.

Kaly and Orlaith don't have at all the same attitude. Kaly is actively malicious; Orlaith is just kinda smug. Orlaith isn't trying to trick you into anything, she's just a sexbuddy who likes topping. If I had to pick someone redundant, I'd say it was the prostitute centaur from KM; every sex scene she has could just be transferred to Orlaith with slightest of tweaks without change.

 

[MoneyMan181]

Kaly and Orlaith don't have at all the same attitude. Kaly is actively malicious; Orlaith is just kinda smug. Orlaith isn't trying to trick you into anything, she's just a sexbuddy who likes topping.

This is exactly what I'm talking about when I say slightly different things going for them. They still are both futataurs revolving mostly around oral worship with both of them being smug about the dominance they hold over you. Just because the circumstances of sexing one is different than the other doesn't justify an entire new character when the content and personality are so similar. Just have an optional expansion for the existing character and it would be the same thing.

The extreme character bloat in this game is exactly because of this problem.

 

[GokutheG]

This is exactly what I'm talking about when I say slightly different things going for them. They still are both futataurs revolving mostly around oral worship with both of them being smug about the dominance they hold over you. Just because the circumstances of sexing one is different than the other doesn't justify an entire new character when the content and personality are so similar. Just have an optional expansion for the existing character and it would be the same thing.

That's the thing there are very few ways to write a character (futa or not) where there will be no similarities between them.

 

[Skandranon]

This is exactly what I'm talking about when I say slightly different things going for them. They still are both futataurs revolving mostly around oral worship with both of them being smug about the dominance they hold over you. Just because the circumstances of sexing one is different than the other doesn't justify an entire new character when the content and personality are so similar. Just have an optional expansion for the existing character and it would be the same thing.

Nah, don't think that would work at all. Kaly's content isn't similiar enough. They scratch different itches; its why I like Orlaith much more than I like Kaly. The 'circumstances' are what make the character the character.

 

[MoneyMan181]

That's the thing there are very few ways to write a character (futa or not) where there will be no similarities between them.

I'm not asking for absolutely no similarities between characters, that will never happen. I just think the game would be better if they added to existing characters instead of adding new ones when possible, both for variety and making each character actually memorable.

Nah, don't think that would work at all. Kaly's content isn't similiar enough.

Please tell me how being an oral slut for orlaith is meaningfully different from being an oral slut for Kaly if you get rid of the slavery shtick. If your response is, "Well the slavery shtick is the entire point" and nothing else, then you're just proving my point. Because again, you do not need a different character for that. An optional expansion would do just fine, similar in mechanics to eve and dragon eve.

 

[MarvintheBee]

Paying does make criticism more valid since they are the customers. Why would they care about the opinions from people who wont fund the staff they have to pay to keep the game alive?

Thank god that they listen to their paying customers
Probably why they keep releasing threesome despite nobody wanting them.
Or that's why all corruption content gets cut, despite 5 times the people wanting that.

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The only real way to get the content you want, is commissioning it. And almost none of the staff writers take them.
Except Wsan? Idk.

 

[Skandranon]

Please tell me how being an oral slut for orlaith is meaningfully different from being an oral slut for Kaly if you get rid of the slavery shtick. If your response is, "Well the slavery shtick is the entire point" and nothing else, then you're just proving my point. Because again, you do not need a different character for that. An optional expansion would do just fine, similar in mechanics to eve and dragon eve.

Eve and Dragon Eve are the same character, with the same motivations and the same goals; Dragon Eve can just be more aggressive about those goals.

Orlaith and Kaly are not the same character. One's a dominant fuckbuddy with a family and one's an evil mistress who enslaves you with a magical cockring. An expansion for Orlaith that somehow turned her into something like Kaly would be nonsensical. And more importantly, I wouldn't like it.

 

[Jbuster]

Thank god that they listen to their paying customers
Probably why they keep releasing threesome despite nobody wanting them.
Or that's why all corruption content gets cut, despite 5 times the people wanting that.

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The only real way to get the content you want, is commissioning it. And almost none of the staff writers take them.
Except Wsan? Idk.

So considering their patreon money this was always solid advice

Should have never doubted you, Savin

 

[MoneyMan181]

Eve and Dragon Eve are the same character, with the same motivations and the same goals; Dragon Eve can just be more aggressive about those goals.

Orlaith has a goal of tempting you into orally pleasuring her when you sex her, that expansion would just be an extension of this goal.

Orlaith and Kaly are not the same character. One's a dominant fuckbuddy with a family and one's an evil mistress who enslaves you with a magical cockring. An expansion for Orlaith that somehow turned her into something like Kaly would be nonsensical.

I know it's a crazy thing to wrap your head around considering not many characters in this game do it, but characters can change as you interact with them! People are not static creatures that are only pigeonholed into one archetype. She never has had oral until PC gives it to her, who's to say she doesn't get super carried away with it and try to do what Kaly did in order to feel that more? It is not an irrational leap in logic, especially in a game called corruption of champions. Hell, it makes more sense than Arona instantly becoming your subby bitch just for beating her in combat when she's been dominant her entire life. Or the PC and Kasyrra instantly falling in love with each other with no prior build up to it. Or any number of other things in this game hand waived away for the excuse of porn.

And more importantly, I wouldn't like it.

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[Skandranon]

Orlaith has a goal of tempting you into orally pleasuring her when you sex her, that expansion would just be an extension of this goal.

That's not at all the same thing. You're the one who shows it to her in the first place, because your character enjoys it so much. You're salivating before Orlaith even knows what a blowjob is. She really likes blowjobs and you really like giving her blowjobs, without any chicanery involved.

Orlaith attempting to seduce you is the same as a character shaking their boobs in your face or jiggling their ass at you - not magical enslavement. That's not a natural progression.

I know it's a crazy thing to wrap your head around considering not many characters in this game do it, but characters can change as you interact with them! People are not static creatures that are only pigeonholed into one archetype. She never has had oral until PC gives it to her, who's to say she doesn't get super carried away with it and try to do what Kaly did in order to feel that more? It is not an irrational leap in logic, especially in a game called corruption of champions. Hell, it makes more sense than Arona instantly becoming your subby bitch just for beating her in combat when she's been dominant her entire life. Or the PC and Kasyrra instantly falling in love with each other with no prior build up to it. Or any number of other things in this game hand waived away for the excuse of porn.

I think I've been pretty consistent over the entire time I've been here saying that I think that kind of thing is a terrible idea. Characters should not diverge that widely; its why I'm against gender swaps. Make a new character. Brienne should've been a new character, for instance.

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[kidderyao]

spellbook can find here ?

 

[Ilovekatz19]

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Well Br9000 found it...

Just as bad as is the hint given to find the new low level spells being so vague it can apply to three to six spots depending on how you look at the idea of a dead end and the word small. Even when I found the spells in question they aren't at the end of the dead end as savin stated. Who knows maybe I found a different set of spells that I wasn't aware of being placed there and weren't there last patch.

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