Others Corruption of Champions II [v0.8.17] [Savin/Salamander Studios]

[GoldenEyeDrake]

I wish they remade the maps, labeling certain tiles as combat, others as npc tiles where you can run into friendlies, misc for item pick ups or flavor text/random effects. Just take away the rng.

I agree, it feels like 95% of the tiles within certain areas like the Frostwood/UnderMountain/Windy Peaks/Old Forest are just pointless and empty. There only purpose is to keep dragging your party into combat more so than encounter essential quest items or people. I understand you need a pathway/main road, but it's crazy how some maps possess roughly 4-5 tiles that offer any content (not including questlines), and 2-3 of those tiles just lead to another mainly empty zone.

It's honestly frustrating how populous zones like the Winter City and Kervus Warcamp suffer from these issues. At least, Khor'minos don't suffer as badly as the two areas I mentioned, but I certainly remember how long Khor'minos was just a shell when it first was opened to the public. I'm not expecting every single tile to have a random NPC with a possibly controversial storyline attached, but I mean damn....What is the purpose of going through all this effort of world-building and lore.
Anyway, depending on how bad the RNG is and when you last saved your file, you can get real unlucky and get a game over, and waste more time trying to get back to where you were before.
Yes, one of my examples is the Vulperine Village waystone, in which, the developers were too lazy to expand the area into a proper safe zone, so you can save your game file, but you can do that if you step out into the RNG orgy (fucking Vulperine hunters) or use the waystones to teleport somewhere else like Hawkthorne or KM Outskirts(the only good option, even though it was annoying to do or simply flee if you have the chance). If I personally didn't enjoy the Kailani/Inaya storyline, I would've gave up on them faster than I did with the Evelyn and Kalysea content.
I'm done ranting at the moment.

 

[Tsubuhaza]

I mean for consistency sake. That would probably be better. But that would be a questionable kinetic novel. Like it's one thing to want a game of DnD. It's another to want them in full control of it. At least with the current game. Even if they shit the bed. They still have to have some consideration for the players with everything. We get some choice to engage or disengage at least. If they get pre-mades, we taking horse cock without question. Like if they gave us 5 characters to select from. 1st 2 are full bottoms. 3rd is still a sub. 4th is at best a switch, and 5th is our current level of "power fantasy."

There's a fourth one, which is what makes me think it'd be for the best. The likelihood of people sticking with it after seeing the lack of a custom character.

With a custom character, you kinda wonder exactly where it'll go, there's a chance it'll go the way you wish. If you are limited to pre-set characters, they're likely to just tell you what you're going to see properly instead of this whole vagueness that this game got. If they told me "oh, it'll be this lovely little title fuuuuuull of horsedick like you're not gonna believe~", my reaction would be to do the ol' 50 Cent speed off gif and never look back.

 

[K1ng_C00mer]

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Mmm, yeah. The moment you unlock waystones you don't even use the various paths anymore. Unless you're looking for an NPC that only shows up randomly in an area.

I'm also glad I'm not the only one who had trouble in the Windy Peaks, limping my way to the waystones. Why is the village like one tile that once you hit the button to leave, it tosses you right into danger? Fantastic game design there...

I also feel ambivalent about Kailani. There's nothing really wrong with her, content wise. On paper, she should be right up my alley. I dunno... Can't really put my finger on it. You meet her, you talk to her, you get her quest to beat 15 Vulperine hunters, then you go with her to fight the beast. I guess maybe it's the fact I managed to get all the way to the end within an hour, the only real hangup was trying to get RNG to spawn the Vulperine hunters and healing in between encounters.

I guess it feels kind of cheap. The entire Vulperine village feels cheap. You meet a character, talk to them for a bit, and then suddenly you're star-crossed lovers. Like that priestess chick, she's hot, she's got a great design. You talk to her and ask her for sex and she says "I'll only do it if we're going to be serious" and I think to myself, this is great, I love waifus types. But you say yes and... There's literally nothing. You get her pregnant, nothing. You talk with her again, nothing.

WHY IS SHE A WAIFU CHARACTER IF SHE DOESN'T EVEN ACT DIFFERENT FROM ALL THE OTHER NPCS!?

I could understand if there was like a marriage ceremony. Or if there were more interactions. But nope. Fuck all to see here.

 

[GoldenEyeDrake]

Mmm, yeah. The moment you unlock waystones you don't even use the various paths anymore. Unless you're looking for an NPC that only shows up randomly in an area.

I'm also glad I'm not the only one who had trouble in the Windy Peaks, limping my way to the waystones. Why is the village like one tile that once you hit the button to leave, it tosses you right into danger? Fantastic game design there...

I also feel ambivalent about Kailani. There's nothing really wrong with her, content wise. On paper, she should be right up my alley. I dunno... Can't really put my finger on it. You meet her, you talk to her, you get her quest to beat 15 Vulperine hunters, then you go with her to fight the beast. I guess maybe it's the fact I managed to get all the way to the end within an hour, the only real hangup was trying to get RNG to spawn the Vulperine hunters and healing in between encounters.

I guess it feels kind of cheap. The entire Vulperine village feels cheap. You meet a character, talk to them for a bit, and then suddenly you're star-crossed lovers. Like that priestess chick, she's hot, she's got a great design. You talk to her and ask her for sex and she says "I'll only do it if we're going to be serious" and I think to myself, this is great, I love waifus types. But you say yes and... There's literally nothing. You get her pregnant, nothing. You talk with her again, nothing.

WHY IS SHE A WAIFU CHARACTER IF SHE DOESN'T EVEN ACT DIFFERENT FROM ALL THE OTHER NPCS!?

I could understand if there was like a marriage ceremony. Or if there were more interactions. But nope. Fuck all to see here.

Oh I agree. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the issue with Kailani specifically is that there's not enough outside factors pushing Kailani to the idea that the MC is the only worthy mate for her. Maybe if there were more tension within the village about an outsider courting by far their best hunter, who is not even Vulperine.
For example, the Vulperine village would be somewhat xenophobic to outsiders, due to them being more isolationist and an underdeveloped settlement. Additionally, if your character is human like mine, then the hurdle to gain their trust would be higher, especially given their history as slaves to the Old Beharan Empire.
Specifically, those tasks of winning them over to be accepting of your relationship to Kailani could include: story-telling (We are adventurers after all), exchanging of cultural knowledge and resources to help them advance, or even establishing a trade route with Khor-minos, since they have so much food on hand thanks to the demons/corrupted wildlife, as Khor'minos prepare for the siege by Kasyrra's forces or the assault against her (maybe even both if you are that good). We are given somewhat of a taste of that with Kailani's adoptive daughter, Inaya, but it should be more expansive. We are talking about a whole new race of people after all.

I also agree that Natalia's path is is very barebones, especially as a waifu option, which is unacceptable in my opinion. I mean, you impregnate a woman after marrying her ( like you said no ceremony or anything), but there's no dialogue concerning the well-being of your kid(s) and/or motherhood? Seriously, I find it hard to believe that nobody wants more waifus in this game. I'm not saying they are all good (You already know who I'm referring to), but I honestly enjoy the likes of Aileh, Drifa, Ahmri, Rindo, etc. Hopefully (I doubt i

Oh I agree. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the issue with Kailani specifically is that there's not enough outside factors pushing Kailani to the idea that the MC is the only worthy mate for her. Maybe if there were more tension within the village about an outsider courting by far their best hunter, who is not even Vulperine.
For example, the Vulperine village would be somewhat xenophobic to outsiders, due to them being more isolationist and an underdeveloped settlement. Additionally, if your character is human like mine, then the hurdle to gain their trust would be higher, especially given their history as slaves to the Old Beharan Empire.
Specifically, those tasks of winning them over to be accepting of your relationship to Kailani could include: story-telling (We are adventurers after all), exchanging of cultural knowledge and resources to help them advance, or even establishing a trade route with Khor-minos, since they have so much food on hand thanks to the demons/corrupted wildlife, as Khor'minos prepare for the siege by Kasyrra's forces or the assault against her (maybe even both if you are that good). We are given somewhat of a taste of that with Kailani's adoptive daughter, Inaya, but it should be more expansive. We are talking about a whole new race of people after all.

I also agree that Natalia's path is is very barebones, especially as a waifu option, which is unacceptable in my opinion. I mean, you impregnate a woman after marrying her ( like you said no ceremony or anything), but there's no dialogue concerning the well-being of your kid(s) and/or motherhood? Seriously, I find it hard to believe that nobody wants more waifus in this game. I'm not saying they are all good (You already know who I'm referring to), but I honestly enjoy the likes of Aileh, Drifa, Ahmri, Rindo, etc. Hopefully (I doubt they would waste time on this), but it would be cool to see Senja, Daliza and Calise get waifu routes. Elthara and/or Hethia aren't bad either, even though you can already start a family with Elthara.

 

[Jbuster]

There's a fourth one, which is what makes me think it'd be for the best. The likelihood of people sticking with it after seeing the lack of a custom character.

With a custom character, you kinda wonder exactly where it'll go, there's a chance it'll go the way you wish. If you are limited to pre-set characters, they're likely to just tell you what you're going to see properly instead of this whole vagueness that this game got. If they told me "oh, it'll be this lovely little title fuuuuuull of horsedick like you're not gonna believe~", my reaction would be to do the ol' 50 Cent speed off gif and never look back.

They can't help themselves now that the champion is someone the player creates and push constantly the most deranged reactions to make the PC fit, now imagine what would be to give them full power to put you in the boots of their special OCs and everything that entails

Spoiler: Not even the illusion of choice would survive the specialness of their special OCs

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CoC2 needs Savin to be a competent manager and director for his team and much better quality control, and for all of the writers to understand that we are not playing their D&D sessions, we are playing another game, without them

Say, how many videos were it again? 525? I remember it was some absurd number and they all lasted around as long as a soccer match or so. "Guy must have come up with enough futas to fill the San Siro!"



I think this was one of those things they couldn't do because it was one of the appeals in CoC1 and they still needed to squeeze money out of the name, taking out something so integral could screw everything up. Before SavCo screwed things up themselves.



Oh, I think CoC1 had like uh... backer/patron/whatever-the-fuck preset characters you could pick to skip character settings. I found it cute that they were all absolute fucking freaks which makes me think that they were only there because you probably shouldn't be able to pull them off normally anyway.



I think the first option would actually be pretty decent writing, them being kind of like the Greek gods that were usually rather absorbed and vain, failing to see reason and just forcing/lying their way around things. Alas, that could possibly accrue Power Fantasy Points so it's probably the latter.



I just realized I've barely engaged with Jen at all. Well, more material for the ignore list, I suppose.

...

Seriously, someone in the team has a fetish with just springing fucking weirdos you have fuck all reason to care for or some shit?

They were that many, around 1:30-2:00 hours each, they killed some skeletons and then one of them said, "we should tan our buttholes we should", and then, everything about this game made sense, all made sense


Anyway, CoC2 gods are already interacting with mortals in a regular, casual fashion, giving Lumia a chance to need a mortal was a good thing, giving her a flaw, at least a for a little while, was a good thing

It would be a matter of willingness to explore their more "mortal" side (and no, a never ending orgy is a heavenly thing for the god of orgies and doesn't count as something relatable), because that's the flavor you get from polytheism. Your gods are allowed to be flawed, to have reasons to not help and do everything for the lowly mortals that worship them

Mmm, yeah. The moment you unlock waystones you don't even use the various paths anymore. Unless you're looking for an NPC that only shows up randomly in an area.

I'm also glad I'm not the only one who had trouble in the Windy Peaks, limping my way to the waystones. Why is the village like one tile that once you hit the button to leave, it tosses you right into danger? Fantastic game design there...

I also feel ambivalent about Kailani. There's nothing really wrong with her, content wise. On paper, she should be right up my alley. I dunno... Can't really put my finger on it. You meet her, you talk to her, you get her quest to beat 15 Vulperine hunters, then you go with her to fight the beast. I guess maybe it's the fact I managed to get all the way to the end within an hour, the only real hangup was trying to get RNG to spawn the Vulperine hunters and healing in between encounters.

I guess it feels kind of cheap. The entire Vulperine village feels cheap. You meet a character, talk to them for a bit, and then suddenly you're star-crossed lovers. Like that priestess chick, she's hot, she's got a great design. You talk to her and ask her for sex and she says "I'll only do it if we're going to be serious" and I think to myself, this is great, I love waifus types. But you say yes and... There's literally nothing. You get her pregnant, nothing. You talk with her again, nothing.

WHY IS SHE A WAIFU CHARACTER IF SHE DOESN'T EVEN ACT DIFFERENT FROM ALL THE OTHER NPCS!?

I could understand if there was like a marriage ceremony. Or if there were more interactions. But nope. Fuck all to see here.

There's a part after doing her quest and a bunch of things where the writer adds that you did enough already to bang this single mom or something like that and yeah, it feels like they got bored of writing her and just crunched her interactions

The whole peaks feels abandoned, I mean, there's stuff there but there's no love

 

[dolosolo]

To switch up my pace, I've noticed that Tobs has parasitized himself to Drifa content. Bro ruins anything he touches

such a shame

 

[YouShallNotLol]

but it would be cool to see Calise get waifu route.

>Calise

 

[GoldenEyeDrake]

>Calise
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You might as well spill the beans. I'm only playing this game to see how far down the pit it has descended, since I last played a few years ago.

EDIT: Apparently, Calise is Kasyrra herself in disguise? What a disappointment. I honestly enjoyed the character. Well, another reason to hate the game, thanks for the heads-up.

 

[DuckTheMuck]

You might as well spill the beans. I'm only playing this game to see how far down the pit it has descended, since I last played a few years ago.

EDIT: Apparently, Calise is either a servant of Kasyrra or Kasyrra herself? What a shame, and what a waste of a character/artwork.

Its just Kas role playing how she was before she became a demon. She isn't even an antagonist in the game. The antagonists in the story are the "gods" who are wraiths, Tollus, and maybe Alissa.

 

[Jbuster]

Its just Kas role playing how she was before she became a demon. She isn't even an antagonist in the game. The antagonists in the story are the "gods" who are wraiths, Tollus, and maybe Alissa.

True, for Kasyrra the whole game might as well be a dating sim with the champion as the main love interest

 

[GoldenEyeDrake]

Its just Kas role playing how she was before she became a demon. She isn't even an antagonist in the game. The antagonists in the story are the "gods" who are wraiths, Tollus, and maybe Alissa.

Well, I don't necessary hate Kasyrra. I'm more sympathetic to her as an individual as she wishes to regain her humanity and be in possession of a true family, more than likely with our character, which I don't oppose whatsoever. It's just Kasyrra drives a extremely hard bargain for me when her actions result in the torture/corruption of innocents when she underwent the same, if not worse treatment on her home-world. However, I do agree there are bigger fish to fry within CoC2.

True, for Kasyrra the whole game might as well be a dating sim with the champion as the main love interest

I'm not sure if you played Superhuman, but Kasyrra does give me Ella vibes with her expectations of the MC.

 

[namelessone22]

i meant you get the letter after the ball at arona's tent

Sorry to bug about this again, but it's still not working.

I dug up an old save just before the 'Feast For Heroes'

*Male MC*

(made sure to talk/sleep with Ylvid first)

-Went to the Feast, taking Arona [sub] along
-got Arona to talk to the King
-then the second option with them about working together

-finish Feast
-goto Kervus Camp with Arona [sub] in party - no changes
-leave her in the camp, come back - no changes

-If someone could give me a step-by-step for how to get through the Feast, & what to do afterwards to get the new Ylvid content, I'd be grateful.

 

[Tsubuhaza]

You might as well spill the beans. I'm only playing this game to see how far down the pit it has descended, since I last played a few years ago.

EDIT: Apparently, Calise is Kasyrra herself in disguise? What a disappointment. I honestly enjoyed the character. Well, another reason to hate the game, thanks for the heads-up.

Yeah, Calise was apparently introduced as a way to "ingratiate" Kasyrra to the player as a romantic route. Which is an obvious uphill battle since...

Well, I don't necessary hate Kasyrra. I'm more sympathetic to her as an individual as she wishes to regain her humanity and be in possession of a true family, more than likely with our character, which I don't oppose whatsoever. It's just Kasyrra drives a extremely hard bargain for me when her actions result in the torture/corruption of innocents when she underwent the same, if not worse treatment on her home-world. However, I do agree there are bigger fish to fry within CoC2.


I'm not sure if you played Superhuman, but Kasyrra does give me Ella vibes with her expectations of the MC.

As you yourself put, Kasyrra is a blatant villain who gives you very little reason to contemplate not just... y'know, off her, kill her, murder her, cease her existence, send her to meet her maker, have her join Vasco da Gama.

I'm convinced Savin thought it'd be so hot to have the PC end up with the giant demon futa he'd love to sit on the lap of that he only later realized there would be a decent chance of people just seeing that and going "well, that's the big bad, let's lob her head off and be done with that" which then resulted in that Calise shindig.

Might not want to admit it but it wouldn't be a shock.

 

[namelessone22]

Or maybe they just have a betting pool on which super special OC saves the day idk

I know it's the opposite end of things - but that just got me remembering 'Cabin in the Woods'(?), where they have the betting pool among the guys running the thing as to which scary monster is going to take all the teens out.

 

[namelessone22]

That could be an interesting angle, the idea that their kind is only half a step away from turning into every bit the same kind of twisted demon that Kass and Lethice are if any corruption gets into their system, and would definitely justify the lot of them choosing to keep their personal distance. You could also sort of justify why Lumia or whoever might send the orcs a vision leading them to the region, they need mortals to kill the demons on their behalf since mortal souls are a bit more resilient (and MUCH more disposable as far as the gods are concerned).

But that just raises questions about why they're so passive and accepting of how the corruption is spreading throughout the region, you'd think that if corruption were that frightening to them, they'd be doing as much as they can to cull all possible sources of it using as many of their personal champions as they could muster. Mallach being fine with Kass fucking the souls out of an entire temple of his followers and casually deciding to return those souls to their followers now soulless corrupt demon forms, and meeting Kass herself face to face like that would also become a strange move.
Which isn't to say that so much of everything surrounding these gods isn't already a mess of strange moves and inexplicable decisions.

Still, it beats the explanation that the gods are 'just busy right now' by a long shot.


No yeah, I totally agree with you. There's not even a minor attempt at smoothing out the transitions between writers, it's a total free for all and everyone has their own mental image of who the player character is- the only one who doesn't get asked that question is the player themselves. I just meant that they're keeping the facade up for the sake of cash. Their backers want the character creation, that's something highly in demand for this particular genre of lewd games. If they removed it entirely, there'd be a sudden drop in support.

Your 'Another Angle' is interesting.

Something I thought of when you mentioned (not) using the 'gods are just busy right now',
I thought back to Kas' portal in Winter City & the big Wraith 'amalgamation' that you have to fend off.

Maybe that's what the 'gods' spend most of their power/resources doing?
They're trying to protect/shield this world from the rest of the Wraith.

IIRC - the 'gods' developed their conscience from all the people they were consuming & decided to preserve what was left of the world & its people?
I don't know if the 'gods' absorbed the rest of the wraith that were with them in the world, or whether they became their unique 'peoples' - seemed possible with how the kitsune are described - or I'm way off base there.

So maybe if the rest of the wraith are a hive-mind - the ones that are still in the 'Void'/space - the 'gods' are constantly trying to deny them entry or something like that?

Problem is, I can't remember Lumia's reasoning for getting you to help her kill that Wraith she'd been keeping trapped or imprisoned.

I can't remember if any of that would be supported by the in-game lore, always thought the fact the 'gods' were actually Wraith an interesting idea, but I cant remember much of the lore they give you at this point.

Might eventually mean that you side with Kas & the demons (not necessarily together) to help defeat the rest of the Wraith - or permanently seal their access to that world?

This may not be that great an idea - just something I thought of while reading your post.

-My memory of the lore is pretty spotty, so regardless of whether you think the idea is good or terrible, would you mind letting me know where I've gotten the wrong idea with regards to the lore/plot (opinions also welcome)

 

[ChubbyFatBoy]

I know it's the opposite end of things - but that just got me remembering 'Cabin in the Woods'(?), where they have the betting pool among the guys running the thing as to which scary monster is going to take all the teens out.

Can I just take a moment to side swerve right quick and say. That movie's premise was actually kinda interesting. And while I'm not asking for a bunch of sequels, prequels, or expanded universe. I really do wish they would've done some more with it.

 

[GoldenEyeDrake]

Yeah, Calise was apparently introduced as a way to "ingratiate" Kasyrra to the player as a romantic route. Which is an obvious uphill battle since...

It would've better if they just left Calise alone as a ally/waifu. Like how a couple of others people have mentioned, but it's a unique approach to having another Champion in the mist of shared conversations/combat engagements, who is as righteous/selfless as you. Calise being Kasyrra in disguise is just asking for backlash. Honestly, I think Savin and company are just addicted to the drama or something, no alchemy brew needed. Nonetheless, not every character in CoC2 needs to be a nymphomaniac or some weird futa abomination that is is incapable of being submissive (even some of the regular women).

As you yourself put, Kasyrra is a blatant villain who gives you very little reason to contemplate not just... y'know, off her, kill her, murder her, cease her existence, send her to meet her maker, have her join Vasco da Gama.

I'm convinced Savin thought it'd be so hot to have the PC end up with the giant demon futa he'd love to sit on the lap of that he only later realized there would be a decent chance of people just seeing that and going "well, that's the big bad, let's lob her head off and be done with that" which then resulted in that Calise shindig.

Might not want to admit it but it wouldn't be a shock.

I agree. They did a terrible job of making Kasyrra a morally grey individual.

 

[OreoLuma]

Thoughts on Clementine marriage expac? What content would you all like to see?

 

[Deleted member 475691]

My memory of the lore is pretty spotty, so regardless of whether you think the idea is good or terrible, would you mind letting me know where I've gotten the wrong idea with regards to the lore/plot (opinions also welcome)

If it makes you feel any better, I had completely blanked on how Kass interacted with pretty much anyone that isn't the player character. I'm no lore whiz myself, clearly.

To the best of my understanding, wraiths are eldritch nightmare beasts. They hunger, that's all they know. They have no sense of self, incapable of recognizing themselves, no thoughts, only bestial hunger, and souls are their food of choice. Demons consume souls for power, but wraiths want their emotions and thoughts, as they feel nothing but hunger until they've got your soul in their mouth(?) and they can start draining it for your emotions and knowledge. You can think of them as a fire with many tentacles initially, it's not thinking, it's just burning and it will spread to anything that touches it to use it as fuel. It's not infecting people with any sort of corruption like the demons do, living beings are just more wood to burn. At least initially, if they consume enough, they become something like the living gods.
That being said, demons have no souls. So I can already foresee some big plot point where it turns out it's wraiths that end up being the big baddies at the end, and the demons Kass has been producing form an essential part of the united army fighting against them, "- because demons provide these creatures with absolutely nothing no matter how many of them are consumed, so they make great frontliners!"

And on the other hand, if it turns out that wraiths DO get something out of demons and their one-track-minds filled with fuck and carnal impulses, that'd maybe lend credence to the idea that Lumia and the gang are actually highly susceptible to corruption. After all, these living gods only became what they are by feeding on the thoughts and feelings of mortals, if they 'taste' people through physical contact as it's implied wraiths do and those people don't need a soul for the wraiths to taste them, then if Kass goes in for a hug, will Lumia suddenly develop a permanent overwhelming libido? Who even knows.
But if wraiths define who they are by who they've consumed- (or who they come in contact with), and don't require a soul to feed on that person's emotions and desires, then Kass and her demonic legions are practically toxic. Intimate interactions with her would be like dosing up on ecstasy or something, and the 'gods' so many mortals depend on could be made rapists and cocksleeves just like demons themselves.

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Or maybe demons are all extensions of a single wraith, and the souls they consume for power have all the feelings and thoughts transferred over to some higher being wraith that has invisible connections to every demon in existence. Maybe the whole concept of corruption is just a single wraith spreading their tentacles like webs across all creation. Demons keep whatever potential and power is sealed in the soul, and the wraith feeds on the knowledge and emotions. Some overmind wraith somewhere that's grown fat on countless souls, and looks like a slutted up Emperor Palpatine. (With like eighty horsecocks protruding from their crotch.)

 

[Deleted member 475691]

Thoughts on Clementine marriage expac? What content would you all like to see?

Seeing Brint, or one of the myriad of OCs show up, try hitting on the waifu, and get told, "No thanks, I'm in a committed monogamous relationship with my spouse." Asking for some jaw dropping bravery from the writing team, I know, but maybe saving the NTR content for a separate commissioned expansion pack would be extra profitable.