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J.R.

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Amazing how one Dev managed to have issues with somany different people, when tons of others dont



No its not its a Sharing forum, very diferent concept of Pirate site.



Yes and staff purposedly create new accounts with the devs names just to post them there... no to mention he has interacted with the forum so yeah point not valid



Im not pissed or anything else, i made a statement which is 99.9% accurate
He had to start somewhere, and advertise his game, he simply didnt create his patreon and people apeared out of nowhere, and i took a wild guess that he probably, like tons others, also advertised his game here.
And whatever feud he may have had with the staff here he forgot why he was here in the 1st place, which was for his "clients" , the players.
As for the paying part, i do pay for Good games when they are FINISHED. A full indie game costs on release $30-40 at $5/month thats 8 months, so paying for years along and also testing the game and reporting bugs is not my way of viewing how "entiled" to payment should be considered!
Funny that you still don't know the "life cycle" of a game devs here on F95 since you are already that long here on this pirate site. Yes, devs can get helped out at first to gain supporters. Sometimes even can create a fanbase here. Well, sometimes on the other side they and their game can get "destroyed" here also because of shitting a game. So it's also a high risk posting a game here, too.

If the game survives at first and gain some fans/supporters then unfortunately often the demanders/haters/shit posters kinda take over the thread. Some devs can handle that, some not. But in the end many devs leave here. Almost all well known devs did that. And funny, it's actually post's like yours who scares them away.

Also, you said you only pay for finished games. That's ok, but without support before (Patreon is for supporting the developement of the game/dev, not buying a full game) most of these games wouldn't even exist. But again, it's your decision, nobody is forcing you. I also can support only a few ones, the others I download them "for free" here also. But your demanding from the dev to post his game here for free since he should be so gratefull for the start help is, sorry, bullshit. And very naive.
 

_Rykon_

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Mar 12, 2020
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But your demanding from the dev to post his game here for free since he should be so gratefull for the start help is, sorry, bullshit. And very naive.
Please do enlighten me where did i DEMAND for anyone to post anything at all!!!

I commented on someone saying that the Dev was no longer posting, by sayin that he is not posting ANYWHERE (yes f95 is not the only SHARING site there is)
Thus why i said that it is wierd when suddenly you cut ALL exterior connections, and forget that without those connections you probably wouldnt have even started.

This is all i said, do not put words in my mouth.

Hellster was the one babling BS reasons which he isnt even sure of to begin with, to defend something that, in do clarity, is not even at cause, i never questioned if he should or shouldnt. As i stated before this is a sharing site with a community, if he had any respect for it what so ever, he would hav at least comunicated his leaving, and even so im not requesting him to do so, MY OPINION is that would have been more respectfull towards his patrons/followers.

This site alone has over 4.2K games, me personaly, i dont give 2 fucks about ONE specific single title.
But, out of the blue, i believe that less than 1% of them are behind a paywall, which is why i cant consider this a Pirate site but instead a Sharing Community Site, as presented before!
I simply commented because, indeed, i do find this particular one to my taste, nothing more nothing less.
 
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Skode

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Not here not anywhere of free acess to everyone...
Sad when Devs forget who advertised their game and made sure he got supporters...
When they forget that its places like F95 that actually managed to get them subscribers at all...
Supporters? He barely makes enough to keep going as he does in all honesty - you can sing and dance about it being ok to get the games for fuck all and pay exactly that if you want but that is it, dev owes us nothing including the site as simply put the game has not exactly blown up - here or anywhere else or he would be making much more by now. There is an argument even that perhaps if the mods were not so big on stonewalling the gold version he might have seen more growth and thus the site is as much a hindrance compared to a help in that regard.
 

_Rykon_

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Supporters? He barely makes enough to keep going as he does in all honesty
Are you seriously NUTS?!?
Barely makes enough to keep going?!?

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€577 From Patreon + $ 1213 From Subscribe star + whatever he is gainning from itch.io
The guy is making €1800/month thats nearly €22K/year and he is barely
Brute income he is gaining more than the average income in 29 of the 47 European Countries
WTF ARE U TALKING ABOUT, barely making it?!?
 

GetOutOfMyLab

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Are you seriously NUTS?!?
Barely makes enough to keep going?!?

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€577 From Patreon + $ 1213 From Subscribe star + whatever he is gainning from itch.io
The guy is making €1800/month thats nearly €22K/year and he is barely
Brute income he is gaining more than the average income in 29 of the 47 European Countries
WTF ARE U TALKING ABOUT, barely making it?!?
Not sure where dev is located, but where I live, that amount of monthly income wouldn't even be enough for my mortgage, or even rent for an apartment.
 

_Rykon_

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Not sure where dev is located, but where I live, that amount of monthly income wouldn't even be enough for my mortgage, or even rent for an apartment.
Sure ok its not enough for you.... but like i said, he is gaining MORE than the AVERAGE income of 2/3 of EUROPE, not minimum income, AVERAGE.
Which means that he could be living a High life on that if he, for example lives in Bulgaria where he is gaining from this alone 6x minimum wage.
Or if he lives in 90% of African countries...
What im saying is €2000/monthly income on a side GIG is not irrelevant gains!!!
 

Settum

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Jan 10, 2019
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Sure ok its not enough for you.... but like i said, he is gaining MORE than the AVERAGE income of 2/3 of EUROPE, not minimum income, AVERAGE.
Which means that he could be living a High life on that if he, for example lives in Bulgaria where he is gaining from this alone 6x minimum wage.
Or if he lives in 90% of African countries...
What im saying is €2000/monthly income on a side GIG is not irrelevant gains!!!
And if he lives in a bigger city in West Europe, that's barely enough for heating and electricity after income taxes and other expenses. Not to mention Patreon's cut, whatever they are spending on advertising and if they earn that alone rather than split it through multiple devs.
People should stop believing pay is the only, or even an important, incentive to productivity.
 

Hellster

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May 18, 2019
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Hellster was the one babling BS reasons which he isnt even sure of to begin with, to defend something that, in do clarity, is not even at cause, i never questioned if he should or shouldnt. As i stated before this is a sharing site with a community, if he had any respect for it what so ever, he would hav at least comunicated his leaving, and even so im not requesting him to do so, MY OPINION is that would have been more respectfull towards his patrons/followers.
Ok, well you seem to know exactly every reason for everything, so enlighten us all ?
I've only mentioned what has been said on discord, so it holds more water than anything you've said/claim to think you know.
His patrons/subscribers will not give a shit if the game is here or not, they are subscribers, so why would they care?
I'm just amazed this bullshit is still going, Get over it already, you can piss and moan all you like, it will not change a damn thing.
You claim not to give a shit about it, but here you are on an endless rant about it..... smh
 
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PRTech

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Ok, well you seem to know exactly every reason for everything, so enlighten us all ?
I've only mentioned what has been said on discord, so it holds more water than anything you've said/claim to think you know.
His patrons/subscribers will not give a shit if the game is here or not, they are subscribers, so why would they care?
I'm just amazed this bullshit is still going, Get over it already, you can piss and moan all you like, it will not change a damn thing.
You claim not to give a shit about it, but here you are on an endless rant about it..... smh
And here you are on a endless attack on anything Rykon is posting, let him say what he want to say (agree or not agree).
 

Skode

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Mar 9, 2020
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Are you seriously NUTS?!?
Barely makes enough to keep going?!?

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€577 From Patreon + $ 1213 From Subscribe star + whatever he is gainning from itch.io
The guy is making €1800/month thats nearly €22K/year and he is barely
Brute income he is gaining more than the average income in 29 of the 47 European Countries
WTF ARE U TALKING ABOUT, barely making it?!?
Thats what £1500 a month? That is nowhere near a sustainable amount to get by on if you have any and i mean any responsibilities aka not living with dear old mum and dad like say a mortgage, kids to feed etc. Fuck i used to make that myself before tax (sadly not after tax thats for sure lol) when i was a part time shelf stacker in a shop and that was a struggle i assure you.

Maybe he does reside on one of the poorest countries in the world living like a king of this sum of money but lets both be real and call that unlikely shall we? I doubt anyone in say Somalia is spending their free time learning how to make porn games in with a view to living off it solely as an earner and if they are from a poor third world country then that means fucking pirates from much wealthier countries stealing their shit for free on sites like this and demanding more from them with a straight face as though they're doing them a favour with all this "advertising" is a bit pretentious no?
 
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_Rykon_

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Thats what £1500 a month? That is nowhere near a sustainable amount to get by on if you have any and i mean any responsibilities aka not living with dear old mum and dad like say a mortgage, kids to feed etc. Fuck i used to make that myself before tax (sadly not after tax thats for sure lol) when i was a part time shelf stacker in a shop and that was a struggle i assure you.

Maybe he does reside on one of the poorest countries in the world living like a king of this sum of money but lets both be real and call that unlikely shall we? I doubt anyone in say Somalia is spending their free time learning how to make porn games in with a view to living off it solely as an earner and if they are from a poor third world country then that means fucking pirates from much wealthier countries stealing their shit for free on sites like this and demanding more from them with a straight face as though they're doing them a favour with all this "advertising" is a bit pretentious no?
I wasnt gonna bother to continue answering since some of you guys have zero notion that except for a couple of countries in the entire world, most ppl live with far less monthly then what he is making on "donations" alone.

Just because you live in the most expensive country in europe doesnt mean everyone else does!
Also have you noticed the huge amount of games also in Russian (so eastern europe origins for the Devs)
And as it is pointed he is Aussy and at todays rate, it means he is making A$3100, and here is some data from Australia as reference:



Rent Per Month
Apartment (1 bedroom) in City Centre1,871.84 A$1,200.00-2,815.00
Apartment (1 bedroom) Outside of Centre1,487.48 A$1,000.00-2,150.00
Apartment (3 bedrooms) in City Centre3,241.79 A$2,118.81-5,200.00
Apartment (3 bedrooms) Outside of Centre2,324.39 A$1,600.00-3,500.00


Utilities (Monthly)
Basic (Electricity, Heating, Cooling, Water, Garbage) for 85m2 Apartment206.52 A$116.88-400.00
1 min. of Prepaid Mobile Tariff Local (No Discounts or Plans)0.41 A$0.10-0.80
Internet (60 Mbps or More, Unlimited Data, Cable/ADSL)76.47 A$60.00-99.00

I could get you plenty more data but i would fill almost one entire page of data and you can look at it urself if u want to...

As pointed out he is barely living with this SIDE GIG alone, only if he lives in downtown Sidney in a 3B house, everywhere else and he is living NORMALY with this SIDE GIG, and with the possibility of having a normal job added to this...
So basic living without groceries he should be spending on average between A$1800-2200 leaving him with something between A$900-1300
 
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I wasnt gonna bother to continue answering since some of you guys have zero notion that except for a couple of countries in the entire world, most ppl live with far less monthly then what he is making on "donations" alone.

Just because you live in the most expensive country in europe doesnt mean everyone else does!
Also have you noticed the huge amount of games also in Russian (so eastern europe origins for the Devs)
And as it is pointed he is Aussy and at todays rate, it means he is making A$3100, and here is some data from Australia as reference:



Rent Per Month
Apartment (1 bedroom) in City Centre1,871.84 A$1,200.00-2,815.00
Apartment (1 bedroom) Outside of Centre1,487.48 A$1,000.00-2,150.00
Apartment (3 bedrooms) in City Centre3,241.79 A$2,118.81-5,200.00
Apartment (3 bedrooms) Outside of Centre2,324.39 A$1,600.00-3,500.00


Utilities (Monthly)
Basic (Electricity, Heating, Cooling, Water, Garbage) for 85m2 Apartment206.52 A$116.88-400.00
1 min. of Prepaid Mobile Tariff Local (No Discounts or Plans)0.41 A$0.10-0.80
Internet (60 Mbps or More, Unlimited Data, Cable/ADSL)76.47 A$60.00-99.00

I could get you plenty more data but i would fill almost one entire page of data and you can look at it urself if u want to...

As pointed out he is barely living with this SIDE GIG alone, only if he lives in downtown Sidney in a 3B house, everywhere else and he is living NORMALY with this SIDE GIG, and with the possibility of having a normal job added to this...
So basic living without groceries he should be spending on average between A$1800-2200 leaving him with something between A$900-1300
Wow. When you spend other people's money, you really go all out!
 

Ashtonwom99

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Great game and wonderful story. Thanks for this novel. Curious when we got next update. Have a great life. Thanks again for this.
 
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