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For folks that think of Rose as a bit of an SJW. I propose the following thought experiment:
Suppose one morning you wake up. You look out of the window, and see a space ship the size of a city floating overhead. Aliens have looked upon us from afar, and studied us for centuries, and have decided that earth would be a beautiful place for them to start a new colony of their own.
These aliens are far beyond us in many ways. The gap between them and us is significant. Technologically they have time machine, faster than light travel, they can build dyson spheres, and can move the stars. They can even use black holes as a power source... Their brain is significantly beyond ours. They have been evolving for hundreds of millions of years longer than us. They look at our brains the way we look at the brain of a small rodent. They are a Type 3.7 civilization on the Kardashev scale. They have taken over billions of worlds. Their power is overwhelming.
So there is a war... The war lasts less than ten minutes. Flawless victory for them. All of our nuclear weapons, and other WMD are instantly nullified. Our best fighter aircraft just self destruct in the blink of an eye when they get within 50 miles of one of the alien ships. It's not a war we can win, and we have no chance at having any power over them and we are completely at their mercy.
These advanced aliens are a curious and diverse race. The race has two main factions.
Faction 1:
They take some of us as pets, and walk us around on leashes, and give us treats. Some them even love us, and would never eat us or harm us in any way. The kind ones don't want to take all of our land away, and simply share it with us only taking what they need. These kind ones wish to look after us and allow us freedom, and to protect us. They argue that all life is precious, and want to teach us and help us grow. Rather benevolent.
Faction 2:
Yet, others of this alien race also love us, but more so the taste of us... the taste of our blood, and flesh. It is quite the delicacy. So they use some of us for labor in building their own settlements, and others of us are put on factory farms. They pump the milk from our women's breasts and drink it. They do love to eat our infants and small children especially. They definitely don't want us to go extinct, but want to keep us around as a food source. So they make factory farms to fatten us up and slaughter us. Sometimes they use us for medical testing, and experiments. They argue that we do the same to animals so we deserve our fate.
So, you get captured that day...
Do you hope those who captured you are of faction 1 or 2?
Do you think as faction 1 as good and faction 2 as evil?
Is it a fair argument for a faction 2 member to say we treat animals in exactly the same way?
Should we be able to do things to animals that may not be done to us?
Suppose one morning you wake up. You look out of the window, and see a space ship the size of a city floating overhead. Aliens have looked upon us from afar, and studied us for centuries, and have decided that earth would be a beautiful place for them to start a new colony of their own.
These aliens are far beyond us in many ways. The gap between them and us is significant. Technologically they have time machine, faster than light travel, they can build dyson spheres, and can move the stars. They can even use black holes as a power source... Their brain is significantly beyond ours. They have been evolving for hundreds of millions of years longer than us. They look at our brains the way we look at the brain of a small rodent. They are a Type 3.7 civilization on the Kardashev scale. They have taken over billions of worlds. Their power is overwhelming.
So there is a war... The war lasts less than ten minutes. Flawless victory for them. All of our nuclear weapons, and other WMD are instantly nullified. Our best fighter aircraft just self destruct in the blink of an eye when they get within 50 miles of one of the alien ships. It's not a war we can win, and we have no chance at having any power over them and we are completely at their mercy.
These advanced aliens are a curious and diverse race. The race has two main factions.
Faction 1:
They take some of us as pets, and walk us around on leashes, and give us treats. Some them even love us, and would never eat us or harm us in any way. The kind ones don't want to take all of our land away, and simply share it with us only taking what they need. These kind ones wish to look after us and allow us freedom, and to protect us. They argue that all life is precious, and want to teach us and help us grow. Rather benevolent.
Faction 2:
Yet, others of this alien race also love us, but more so the taste of us... the taste of our blood, and flesh. It is quite the delicacy. So they use some of us for labor in building their own settlements, and others of us are put on factory farms. They pump the milk from our women's breasts and drink it. They do love to eat our infants and small children especially. They definitely don't want us to go extinct, but want to keep us around as a food source. So they make factory farms to fatten us up and slaughter us. Sometimes they use us for medical testing, and experiments. They argue that we do the same to animals so we deserve our fate.
So, you get captured that day...
Do you hope those who captured you are of faction 1 or 2?
Do you think as faction 1 as good and faction 2 as evil?
Is it a fair argument for a faction 2 member to say we treat animals in exactly the same way?
Should we be able to do things to animals that may not be done to us?
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This is not necessarily an answer to your question but more my general thoughts on the ongoing topic/discussion. (This will likely be rambling.)
What you propose is a nice thought experiment, however it reminds me a lot of Pascal's wager where there is one clear "best" answer and as such no person would ever "willingly" choose the wrong answer. As such the thought experiment looses a lot of its allure to me. Also the terms good and evil are very subjective and it is almost impossible to answer with certainty whether something that is beyond us is good or evil.
A counter question here would be: Would you consider god good or evil (if a god exists) based on events occuring on earth? For clarification: Is god "evil" for letting natural disaster happen? Is god good for making you win the lottery?
Sorry for any mistakes, it is late and I've been drinking a bit.
Your whole huge comment breaks down on one word "reality"
We live in the real world, which is arranged the way it is arranged, a human must eat meat, a human needs animal protein without this, the human body cannot function adequately, nature created us like that.
Why not imagine that the same alien race but only of plant origin? and after looking at all kinds of animal defenders and fashionable vegans, they began to plant people in little peasies, put them on their windowsills, pluck children from the mother's umbilical cord, add them as a seasoning to food, fill them with fertilizers for better growth
I'm not in any way against vegetarianism, I have friends who have problems because of which they cannot eat meat.
P.S
Excuse me if it's hard for you to understand something, English is not my main language, just in case I will clarify that my message does not carry any aggression, only fun.
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Ah yes the argument for religion. God is real, you are faithful = good. God is real, you are unfaithful = bad. God is not real, you are faithful = nothing. God is not real, you are faithful = nothing.
As for my thoughts on God... I was raised in a catholic school up to high school. I got all of the dogma and all that. I got a lot of family that believes in that sort of thing. Anyways I would describe myself as an agnostic theist. I can't prove or disprove God's existence, and that is purely a matter of faith. I don't think a god from the bible or any other religion exists, but I think there is a good chance a god does exist. You look at the moon, the stars, the sky, the water, nature, and so forth and it feels like more than just "random chance". If I walked across the beach and saw a sandcastle made to look like a mansion I would think that the sand didn't just randomly gather that way, and it was made that way by someone.
If god exists which I think he is a good possibility I don't think god is good, but I don't think he is evil either. Perhaps an "absentee landlord" or an "observer".
Then you could always argue, well what created god? And another could argue, what created the big bang? This could all just be some big computer simulation like the Matrix.
Yea, I mean an athletic, intelligent, attractive red head virgin vegan with tons of money that helps the homeless and is full of passion is so unbearable. Maybe it's like the
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? For the record I'm rejecting Bella Thorne right now, and I'm totally out of her league. In reality though if Bella Thorne actually paid attention to me and showed a genuine interest in me I would be on that in a heart beat and would go to any extent to win her over if I had good chances.
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That's not the best argument in favor of viewing animals as a commodity. A much better argument is: Suppose you have a very sick daughter, and animal testing can significantly improve her chances of survival. Who would you rather see live?Your whole huge comment breaks down on one word "reality"
We live in the real world, which is arranged the way it is arranged, a human must eat meat, a human needs animal protein without this, the human body cannot function adequately, nature created us like that.
Why not imagine that the same alien race but only of plant origin? and after looking at all kinds of animal defenders and fashionable vegans, they began to plant people in little peasies, put them on their windowsills, pluck children from the mother's umbilical cord, add them as a seasoning to food, fill them with fertilizers for better growth
There is no real good way to argue that this rat's life should not be sacrificed to help the sick little girl. This is totally a valid argument, and needs to be taken into consideration.
As for your arguments. Well explain
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. Going on a non meat diet is not going to have adverse effects on your health. In fact
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can be made in favor of veganism. Don't take my word for it though. Ask your doctor if they think a vegan diet would be bad for your health. Let them use their advanced medical knowledge to give you professional advice. To be fair, eating meat in moderation isn't going to be harmful either so long as it's cooked right, and not spoiled.You can feed many more vegans than you can feed omnivores / meat eaters with the same amount of farmland.
Plants do not have brains or a nervous system. That does however remind me of some crazy dude I knew from back in the day that claimed her could hear the plants talk to him... He said they don't like being eaten. He said they scream when you eat them, but they can not make a sound that most can hear. Which I did for a long time think was just some crazy, but there may be some
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to it, but it probably means nothing.If plants could feel... That's a pretty dark way at looking at the world.
To your first point: I was raised catholic as well but I have never engaged enough with religion or the theory of religion(s) to make up my mind on whether I fall into one category or another, simply put it has never played a big enough part in my life to be worth it to think about.
As to your second point I think this is a somewhat severe misinterpretation or misrepresentation of what I said. You assume that because Rose would be out of my league (which is fair all things considered) that I thus say "Oh, she is not worth it" to make myself feel better. However, this is not the case, I formed my opinion solely on the basis of her behaviour which she exhibits ingame. Also some of your (plus) points about her are meaningless to me, namely her apparent attractiveness or intelligence do not suddenly make her a more appealing person from a personality point of view. Also I am not delusional enough to think every woman would be a version until the meet me so her virginity is also not something I would consider a plus in that sense. My main problem is that she goes from 0 to 100 on certain topics with little warning and it makes her frankly seem somewhat unstable to me. Also on your last point about her helping out the homeless: this is admirable but I don't believe in Karma in the sense that it is some sort of "points-game" were some good deed makes up for a bad deed 100% (not that she has commited any bad deeds in that sense). But again the fact that she does something good does not suddenly make the things I don't like about her personality disappear.
Also please don't take this as some sort of flame or anything, I am genuinely curios where her story goes (and in what ways) and especially whether she ever has to face some of the (potentially negative) consequences of her actions and how she responds to them.
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For arguments sake: Suppose you met a woman named Gertrude. This woman weighs 350 lbs, and someone threw acid in her face a while back disfiguring her. She is also illiterate, and never learned to read, nor has she ever formally attended any school. However, personality wise she is fucking perfect... Like holy shit perfect. Very charming. Has the same political views as you. Enjoys the same entertainment. Someone you could truly be best friends with. She is also kind to you, and has taken quite the liking to you. One day she nervously comes to you and asks... "Anon... why haven't you asked me out yet? I really like you!"
Menu:
Choice1: "I have had feelings for you as well. Lets start dating!"
Choice2: "I don't want to ruin our friendship. You mean a lot to me. Lets be best friends forever!"
If physical appearance, and intelligence are truly meaningless to you then it's a pretty clear choice 1 right? If you are going with choice 2 then... Well... They at least mean something right?
Also, Gertrude has been with over a hundred men in the past. That's not a problem for you at all though right?
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You are conflating physical attraction with what I would like in a person here. I see the personality side almost like a prerequisit to the physical side. Obviously both are necessary to make a longterm relationship work (which is primarily what I am talking about here). It is as you say: I could see myself being best friends with the person you described even though a relationship might not be possible from my side. In contrast while I would very likely be attracted to Rose physically upon meeting her I would likely not see her as a longterm option for that it is worth. But for what it is worth I would take a good/best friend over someone that I wouldn't get along with any day of the week.
Even if the plants do not feel pain, does this mean that they are not worthy to live their cycle in peace?
regarding articles about sports without meat, I could cite articles that say the opposite, but they are in my language, but I think it will not be difficult for you to find analogs in your language, for example, "a vegetarian menu will never become balanced and complete, because there will always be not enough meat in it. "The transition to plant foods leads to a deficiency in the body of calcium, iron and B vitamins, This leads to a general breakdown, decreased immunity, low hemoglobin, anemia. Diagnoses can be listed for a long time."
Having excluded meat from the diet, a person will have to eat much more food to feel full, and if you do not feel full, then this is fasting and fasting does not threaten anything good for the body.
+ If someone refuses meat simply because he so wants it does not mean that suddenly one cow less will be killed in the world, it means that one steak will rot on the store shelf, that is, the cow died in vain.
From my own experience, I can say that a meat-free diet will not lead to anything good, I did not eat meat for only 3 months, I consumed only chicken eggs as protein, and as a result, my immunity decreased, I began to gain weight, despite the fact that I have accelerated metabolism and it is very difficult for me to gain a kilogram, but I gained 3kg, the cyst of the upper eyelid returned to me (I had previously performed an operation to cut it out of the cyst), for 3 months I also had a cyst on the lower eyelid.
In other words, the mechanism of my body began to fall apart, but I just gave up meat, not animal protein.
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Different people characterize a woman by different attributes to determine her sexual market value.
I will describe a "high sexual market value" woman to me, and a "low sexual market value" woman to me.
HSMV: Physically attractive, Intelligent, Charismatic, Sexually Inexperienced, Faithful & Loyal, Friendly, High level of self esteem, romantic, caring, empathetic, financially stable, drug free, youthful, athletic and energetic, wants to start a family, artistic and creative.
LSMV: Physically unattractive, unintelligent, boring, sexually highly experienced, unfaithful cheater, cruel, low self esteem, aromantic, apthetic, unempathetic. financially unstable, druggy, elderly, fat and lazy, has had many abortions, unoriginal parrot.
Now of course there are other factors, and all of these things are to some degree on a gradient. Some folks love a slutty old fat druggy, but that is not for me. There are of course other things that I have missed.
Early game rose checks a lot more HSMV boxes than LSMV boxes. Things may change one way or another depending on the players choices.
The big difference is in the eye of the beholder.
It is said that the human race is the only Earth animal race that knows it is going to die.
And it is the only one that laughs at it because of it.
Either choice would be the same in the end.
We can't compare the evolution of cattle for food with the normal evolution of other herbivores.
We changed them to make it easier for us to get the animal protean we need.
We have about 10 to 15k years of evolution consuming meat, can't and won't change that in 20 year just because some people are sensitive.
We are on the plateaux of civilization and not yet prepared to be replaced...but showing great signs that we want that.
If push comes to shove, we will leave this earth in a generation or two.
Saddly, I won't be here to greet the knewcomers.
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Animals have a sense of mortality. Scientists have even taught a gorilla that it's going to die. There is a news documentary about it.
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That video is a joke obviously, but
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.Yes, animals have long been a great commodity for people. Be it food, clothing, milk, fur ect.
Absolutely modern Cows, pigs, chickens ect that have become domesticated have indeed evolved and been bred a certain way for a certain purpose. Dogs as well. I owned a Boston Terrier for many years... It wouldn't survive anywhere in the wild for more than a week.
We have much longer than 10-15k years of eating meat actually. The oldest modern human fossils are in the range of 300,000 years old, and recorded history only goes back about 5,000 years. I am of the belief that we have had many "Cyclical apocalypses". Some meteor hits, or some virus breaks out, or a solar flare, or too much volcanic activity have sent us back to the stone age dozens of times, and it will happen again. Look at Theopetra Cave. That thing is 500 sqm but humans lived in it for 10s of thousands of years leaving tools and such behind. A generation or two is optimistic. Civilization will collapse again eventually, and it could happen tomorrow. All we really need to do is cut off the electricity. Others will rise up again as they have. We are not the first humans here. We will not be the last.
can you just assure me that dg will get the same love and care as before (ps im a sub and read the post so just a little concerened by your little by liitle comment) i just dont want to see this in the ever growing abandon pile
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Our new game (which is nearing release. I'm working on the writing now.) Is no longer called "My Sweet Temptation" Sin wanted to go with "Wings of Silicon".
If you play Damaged Goods... It will add a whole other level on top of it. It will put you in the developers perspective. The new project serves many purposes actually. I'll name a few.
1) Self-cross promotion. The Damaged Goods girls get some big cameos. There are posters hanging on the walls of them hehe A little help boost there.
2) It will show some of the struggles of game development. The life of a starving artist.
3) Different perceptive, and lead character. It is a bit more self insertions, and immersive than DG. Almost all of the camera shots are from a 1st person perspective. Male first person.
4) I enjoyed "My Sweet Neighbors" quite a bit. Making a new sort of twist on that starting position. It's not a clone, but a lot of inspiration came from that game.
5) When working on the same project all the time it can take out some of the fun of development. Having the ability to work on a second one in a second style brings back a lot of the fun in development.
6) Real characters met in Wings of Silicon will end up making their way in to Damaged Goods.
The Damaged Goods universe is a game within in Wings of Silicon universe.
If you play Damaged Goods... It will add a whole other level on top of it. It will put you in the developers perspective. The new project serves many purposes actually. I'll name a few.
1) Self-cross promotion. The Damaged Goods girls get some big cameos. There are posters hanging on the walls of them hehe
A little help boost there.2) It will show some of the struggles of game development. The life of a starving artist.
3) Different perceptive, and lead character. It is a bit more self insertions, and immersive than DG. Almost all of the camera shots are from a 1st person perspective. Male first person.
4) I enjoyed "My Sweet Neighbors" quite a bit. Making a new sort of twist on that starting position. It's not a clone, but a lot of inspiration came from that game.
5) When working on the same project all the time it can take out some of the fun of development. Having the ability to work on a second one in a second style brings back a lot of the fun in development.
6) Real characters met in Wings of Silicon will end up making their way in to Damaged Goods.
The Damaged Goods universe is a game within in Wings of Silicon universe.
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Views and actions of characters in a story do not necessarily represent views and actions of it's creators. In actual reality I am a big fat hillbilly redneck that owns quite a few firearms, and a pickup truck. I have been known to say "Yee Haw!" I used to be a big fat party animal that could drink you under the table, but I have sobered up, and haven't had a drink in years.
I am pretty much the furthest thing from a vegan peta activist, but apparently I write one well enough for people do believe it. This is a good example of
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Didn't that already happen though, except you got it wrong? I seem to recall seeing a documentary about it called Independence Day. Some drunken guy showing how to save the day by flying into the mothership when it had to turn off its shield, or something like that.