VN Ren'Py Completed Dating My Daughter [Ch. 1-4 v1.01] [MrDots Games]

[TungstenDuck]

Eight, what about all of those who KNEW for years that MMF and bestiality were coming, do they have a right to say MDots has lost some integrity when those outcomes do not happen? I would think they have greater standing to complain.

I'm quite certain that a good number of us gave this game a shot BECAUSE it stated bestiality would be present. Then we discovered the game was good and that made us want that outcome even more.

 

[Corvus Belli]

if you play without the walkthrough it will still be quite obvious what to choose to avoid other males.

I'd actually disagree with that assessment.
For some content, the choice is clear; Elena literally asks if she can develop a relationship with you, and Jennifer is in the process of offering herself to you, but some of the choices are a wee more subtle than that.
Technically, the first MMF choice was simply whether or not you let Martin compliment her; I'd argue it's not obvious at all that letting him compliment her would ultimately lead to them having sex together. Even the second choice (which according to the walkthrough will only come up if you let Martin compliment her in that first option, and that's inaccurate, because it came up for me despite me making the contrary choice) isn't any more obviously something that will clearly lead to them having sex.
Again, and I'm only saying this so blatantly because of how weird the posts have been the last day or so and I'm trying to be crystal clear, I'm fine with the sharing option existing, I just don't agree with you that the choices that might lead to them are always obvious, without the walkthrough.

I had one come up and slap me in the face about a month ago

If you don't mind my curiosity (and if you do, just tell me to go fuck myself with something sharp) what was it? I'm interested in what triggers people's deep-seated emotional responses, primarily because I don't have any of my own, and asking questions about them helps me to understand them.
Also, I have to thank you for mentioning that the knee-jerk I-hate-this-don't-even-include-it-as-an-option reaction is something that counts as a trigger response; it honestly hadn't occurred to me that's what was happening, and I can now try to be a little more understanding of what I previously thought of as mere unthinking hypocrisy. I appreciate the assistance.

Why can't sharing be sharing D with other women?

Some of them are, but when an option is blatantly listed in the walkthrough as "choose this to open up a future MMF route", and said so half way through chapter one, about two years ago, it's absurd to act like the option has came out of left-field, or that you weren't sufficiently warned, or that it's only being included to pander to a huge "cuck advocaacy" conspiracy that's ruining porn.
You don't like it, and I get that, because I don't like it, which is why I'll not be making those choices. Simple as that. From my perspective, those routes might as well not exist, since I'll never encounter them. Where's the harm in those options being included for the people who are deviants in a slightly different manner than I am? Baka, for example, specifically says it's something he's been looking forward to for a while; who am I to deny him a chance to let his freak flag fly?

 

[baka]

Exactly that TungstenDuck. on point.
Im sure we all have our preferences, some bestiality, some sharing, corruptions, harem, you name it.
After the 3 years waiting, the reward will be so much more powerful.
And as Jeff Steel says, we could complain if those fetish got discarded for any reason.
A few times it almost happened, but somehow we are here, Chapter 3 (the reward for waiting)
so, its quite offending when someone is trying his all to shut it down, just because he feel he can, without taking care of the promises and expectation we have.

Corvus Belli, theres nothing Chapter 1&2 with other males on D. so no matter what you do, nothing happens.
Only on Chapter 3, that also is standalone, and will ask you question before you start the game.
So Im quite confident, no matter what you do, D will not get touched by any male in Ch1/2.

 

[Sieg Linde]

Lately the wait between releases (of any game here really) has been easy. I have other games to play or something to do irl, but I'm hyped for the next release...26 days away.

I don't even have a console game I'm interested in passing the time with right now. : /

 

[Jeff Steel]

Lately the wait between releases (of any game here really) has been easy. I have other games to play or something to do irl, but I'm hyped for the next release...26 days away.

I don't even have a console game I'm interested in passing the time with right now. : /

I know, right? It’s like going to Baskin-Robbins Ice Cream for years, and told there would eventually be 31 flavors, so in the meantime all you get are Strawberry and Vanilla... and one day they tell you the other 29 flavors will start coming in on June 29th.

 

[Goblin Baily: DILF]

m fine with the sharing option existing, I just don't agree with you that the choices that might lead to them are always obvious, without the walkthrough.

That's assuming there won't be any misplaced content...

 

[robertthebruce]

anyone know when we will have the content of sharing the "daughter", I like to play all routes and all fetishes,

 

[armion82]

anyone know when we will have the content of sharing the "daughter", I like to play all routes and all fetishes,

I don't think we get MMF before the end of the year,myabe ven next year.MFF is possible sooner.

 

[Goblin Baily: DILF]

I don't think we get MMF before the end of the year,myabe ven next year.MFF is possible sooner.

Since it was there from the beginning... that's gonna be a lot of years in the waiting for those who awaited the sharing path.... almost GumDrop levels

 

[Mytez]

Since it was there from the beginning... that's gonna be a lot of years in the waiting for those who awaited the sharing path.... almost GumDrop levels

It took us a game and a half to bone D, so Martin better be ready to wait for the same time to fuck her when he meets them again, bonding process and all that shit.

 

[Corvus Belli]

Only on Chapter 3, that also is standalone, and will ask you question before you start the game.

I'm sorry, Baka, I don't think my point was clear. Chapter 3 absolutely will ask me what decisions I've made thus far, you are correct, and I'll record them. Then, at some point, it will give me an option to once again choose a MMF route or not; I'd be surprised if the option is simply never offered based on previous choices, because thus far Mr.Dots has been pretty good at not assuming people might not have changed their minds. My point was that this hypothetical third option isn't necessarily going to be obvious in it's consequence, not without the walkthrough. My evidence for that opinion is that the previous options weren't obvious either, so I have no reason to assume the next one will be.

So Im quite confident, no matter what you do, D will not get touched by any male in Ch1/2.

I disagree; as I said, I think the option will once again be offered, because people might have changed their minds, and based on some of the choices thus far, I don't think it's necessarily going to be obvious. It might be; it might come up immediately after Martin makes a move to kiss D, for example, or (based on the choices we've seen so far) it could honestly just be when he says she looks beautiful when they're all having dinner together.
Let me ask it simply; do you think accepting Martin's compliment of D in Chapter 1 was obviously going to lead to D and Martin having sex? If you didn't have the walkthrough, would you say a MMF route was an obvious consequence of accepting that compliment?

 

[armion82]

I'm sorry, Baka, I don't think my point was clear. Chapter 3 absolutely will ask me what decisions I've made thus far, you are correct, and I'll record them. Then, at some point, it will give me an option to once again choose a MMF route or not; I'd be surprised if the option is simply never offered based on previous choices, because thus far Mr.Dots has been pretty good at not assuming people might not have changed their minds. My point was that this hypothetical third option isn't necessarily going to be obvious in it's consequence, not without the walkthrough. My evidence for that opinion is that the previous options weren't obvious either, so I have no reason to assume the next one will be.


I disagree; as I said, I think the option will once again be offered, because people might have changed their minds, and based on some of the choices thus far, I don't think it's necessarily going to be obvious. It might be; it might come up immediately after Martin makes a move to kiss D, for example, or (based on the choices we've seen so far) it could honestly just be when he says she looks beautiful when they're all having dinner together.
Let me ask it simply; do you think accepting Martin's compliment of D in Chapter 1 was obviously going to lead to D and Martin having sex? If you didn't have the walkthrough, would you say a MMF route was an obvious consequence of accepting that compliment?

Accepting the compliment only open that route.It's not leading you directly to sex with Martin.There is a huge difference between them.

 

[fried]

I'm sorry, Baka, I don't think my point was clear. Chapter 3 absolutely will ask me what decisions I've made thus far, you are correct, and I'll record them. Then, at some point, it will give me an option to once again choose a MMF route or not; I'd be surprised if the option is simply never offered based on previous choices, because thus far Mr.Dots has been pretty good at not assuming people might not have changed their minds. My point was that this hypothetical third option isn't necessarily going to be obvious in it's consequence, not without the walkthrough. My evidence for that opinion is that the previous options weren't obvious either, so I have no reason to assume the next one will be.


I disagree; as I said, I think the option will once again be offered, because people might have changed their minds, and based on some of the choices thus far, I don't think it's necessarily going to be obvious. It might be; it might come up immediately after Martin makes a move to kiss D, for example, or (based on the choices we've seen so far) it could honestly just be when he says she looks beautiful when they're all having dinner together.
Let me ask it simply; do you think accepting Martin's compliment of D in Chapter 1 was obviously going to lead to D and Martin having sex? If you didn't have the walkthrough, would you say a MMF route was an obvious consequence of accepting that compliment?

I'm not going to answer for baka, but would like to note that once a player becomes accustomed to the notion that a MrDots game tends to give you choices for reasons which have either short or long-term implications, if a choice doesn't lend to soonish consequences then you should probably anticipate it will ripple downstream in some manner. That doesn't mean you are enabling a straight line of events which cannot be avoided many installments downstream, but that the themes related to your choices can be enablers or disablers for future, more immediate actions to choose when the time is right: in this case, being friendly with Martin was offered as an enabler of a future action to choose and nothing more. As you seemed to note, MrDots doesn't assume you should be locked into a single-minded path for all many cases that are related to longer-term options.

Then again, it's a game so I tend to make save points at choices where the influence of my decision is not immediately clear - fortunately, MrDots games tend to offer many pages for saves, which is quite helpful in that regard.

 

[Jeff Steel]

I'm sorry, Baka, I don't think my point was clear. Chapter 3 absolutely will ask me what decisions I've made thus far, you are correct, and I'll record them. Then, at some point, it will give me an option to once again choose a MMF route or not; I'd be surprised if the option is simply never offered based on previous choices, because thus far Mr.Dots has been pretty good at not assuming people might not have changed their minds. My point was that this hypothetical third option isn't necessarily going to be obvious in it's consequence, not without the walkthrough. My evidence for that opinion is that the previous options weren't obvious either, so I have no reason to assume the next one will be.


I disagree; as I said, I think the option will once again be offered, because people might have changed their minds, and based on some of the choices thus far, I don't think it's necessarily going to be obvious. It might be; it might come up immediately after Martin makes a move to kiss D, for example, or (based on the choices we've seen so far) it could honestly just be when he says she looks beautiful when they're all having dinner together.
Let me ask it simply; do you think accepting Martin's compliment of D in Chapter 1 was obviously going to lead to D and Martin having sex? If you didn't have the walkthrough, would you say a MMF route was an obvious consequence of accepting that compliment?

Lol, when Baka said this:

“So Im quite confident, no matter what you do, D will not get touched by any male in Ch1/2.”

...he was correct, since Ch1-2 are now over and no male besides you kissed or had sex with D.

 

[Sieg Linde]

I know, right? It’s like going to Baskin-Robbins Ice Cream for years, and told there would eventually be 31 flavors, so in the meantime all you get are Strawberry and Vanilla... and one day they tell you the other 29 flavors will start coming in on June 29th.

I'll probably end up going to play Dauntless...where I tried to make my character look like D.

I can't get my mind off it no matter what I do.

 

[Corvus Belli]

It's not leading you directly to sex with Martin.

I know, but it is step one in a process that does ultimately leads there. Again, I'm not saying it shouldn't be there, just that "MMF route" being opened as a result of accepting a compliment isn't an obvious consequence. I accept compliments all the time (because I'm so pretty), doesn't mean I expect them to lead to sex, because that's not an obvious outcome.
That's been my only point here; someone said all the choices were obvious, even without the walkthrough to lay it all out for you, and I disagreed with them. Thus far, some choices have been obvious, but some have not. Agree or disagree?

then you should probably anticipate it will ripple downstream in some manner.

I agree, but I'd argue that "your daughter is beautiful" being a choice that ripples downstream to "how about you and I and her all get naked together" isn't the most immediately obvious place for the river to end up. There are a lot of potential outcomes I'd deem more likely to occur than the outcome I know (from the walkthrough) it'll eventually lead towards.

That doesn't mean you are enabling a straight line of events which cannot be avoided many installments downstream

Again, I know that, and I don't think it's a negative. I'm only disagreeing with an assertion that "if you play without the walkthrough it will still be quite obvious what to choose to avoid other males". Playing without a walkthrough, I would not have expected accepting a compliment to be anywhere in a process that would lead to a MMF route, that's all. Would you, without the walkthrough, have concluded that was a quite obvious step in a F/D/Martin sexual encounter?

choices where the influence of my decision is not immediately clear

That's been my entire point; the choices are not immediately clear. I'm not even saying they should be; I'm just saying they're not. Someone (Baka) asserted they were, even without the walkthrough, and I disagreed with them. Nothing more.

 

[baka]

the obvious is that, you can stop at any point if you are getting too close.
the vague choices doesnt matter for the big picture, sure it will open a possibility, but you need to keep doing that. closer you get, more obvious the choices get.
that is why if you only want F+D you can safely play without the walkthrough because you need to force your way to get to any fetishes. to get girl A or B, or get fetish A or B etc. love route is quite easy and very hard to miss.
also, the way the game is created you need to accept many times to keep on a route but usually you can close the route in one decision. i think its all obvious, but if you want to be OCD about it, sure, we need a walkthrough. doing so you are not really playing.

 

[Corvus Belli]

but if you want to be OCD about it, sure, we need a walkthrough.

Once again, not what I said. Go read what I wrote again, and you'll note I literally said that not all the choices need to be obvious. To be clear, for the people in the cheap seats, I am not opposed to subtle choices leading in unexpected directions (that's what multiple save files are for), nor have I ever expressed the opinion that you NEED to use the walkthrough while playing. Not even close.
The only thing I said was that you were incorrect to assert that "if you play without the walkthrough it will still be quite obvious what to choose to avoid other males". You yourself even acknowledged that there are vague choices, you just think they don't matter in the long run. If there are vague choices, then the choices aren't all obvious, by definition.

because you need to force your way to get to any fetishes

But some decisions might lead to content you'd prefer to avoid in the run up to those fetishes. Continuing with the Martin example, it's entirely possible that the final choice will be as blatant as him trying to kiss her (or something similar), and that you can avoid being in that position at all, depending on how you responded to his compliment in Chapter 1. It's not certain that's how it'd go, but it is possible. And again, I don't think "your daughter is beautiful" would obviously lead to that scenario. That's all I'm saying; the choices are not all obvious, even if the final ones will be. We don't yet know what they're going to be, and some of the choices thus far have been subtle; ergo, it's possible future ones will be too.
I honestly don't know why this is proving so hard to grasp.

 

[armion82]

Once again, not what I said. Go read what I wrote again, and you'll note I literally said that not all the choices need to be obvious. To be clear, for the people in the cheap seats, I am not opposed to subtle choices leading in unexpected directions (that's what multiple save files are for), nor have I ever expressed the opinion that you NEED to use the walkthrough while playing. Not even close.
The only thing I said was that you were incorrect to assert that "if you play without the walkthrough it will still be quite obvious what to choose to avoid other males". You yourself even acknowledged that there are vague choices, you just think they don't matter in the long run. If there are vague choices, then the choices aren't all obvious, by definition.


But some decisions might lead to content you'd prefer to avoid in the run up to those fetishes. Continuing with the Martin example, it's entirely possible that the final choice will be as blatant as him trying to kiss her (or something similar), and that you can avoid being in that position at all, depending on how you responded to his compliment in Chapter 1. It's not certain that's how it'd go, but it is possible. And again, I don't think "your daughter is beautiful" would obviously lead to that scenario. That's all I'm saying; the choices are not all obvious, even if the final ones will be. We don't yet know what they're going to be, and some of the choices thus far have been subtle; ergo, it's possible future ones will be too.
I honestly don't know why this is proving so hard to grasp.

Well if it is so hard for you I bet they will make same system like with all girls-you can turn on or turn off any relationship.

 

[Jeff Steel]

Once again, not what I said. Go read what I wrote again, and you'll note I literally said that not all the choices need to be obvious. To be clear, for the people in the cheap seats, I am not opposed to subtle choices leading in unexpected directions (that's what multiple save files are for), nor have I ever expressed the opinion that you NEED to use the walkthrough while playing. Not even close.
The only thing I said was that you were incorrect to assert that "if you play without the walkthrough it will still be quite obvious what to choose to avoid other males". You yourself even acknowledged that there are vague choices, you just think they don't matter in the long run. If there are vague choices, then the choices aren't all obvious, by definition.


But some decisions might lead to content you'd prefer to avoid in the run up to those fetishes. Continuing with the Martin example, it's entirely possible that the final choice will be as blatant as him trying to kiss her (or something similar), and that you can avoid being in that position at all, depending on how you responded to his compliment in Chapter 1. It's not certain that's how it'd go, but it is possible. And again, I don't think "your daughter is beautiful" would obviously lead to that scenario. That's all I'm saying; the choices are not all obvious, even if the final ones will be. We don't yet know what they're going to be, and some of the choices thus far have been subtle; ergo, it's possible future ones will be too.
I honestly don't know why this is proving so hard to grasp.

I spoke with MDots about having choices highlighting a Sharing or Per Play warning - either written on the choice button (ala My Girlfriends Amnesia), or a flash message in the or right corner (ala Acting Lessons).

That way no walkthru is needed to avoid the “controversial path”