VN Ren'Py Completed Dating My Daughter [Ch. 1-4 v1.01] [MrDots Games]

[Corvus Belli]

i don't understand your obsession.

It's not an obsession; people keep bringing up things I never said, and I keep trying to correct them, because they're demonstrably incorrect. If you're content to let people misrepresent your arguments, that's fine, but I'm not. I dislike when they do that; it irks me.

its like you need to "win",

I need to "win" in the fact that a lot of what people have been responding to isn't what I said; if you say A, then people respond telling you why B is wrong, or asking why you think C, it's not "a need to win" to correct them.

Again, we disagree, that much is clear.
The last couple of days have seen people who didn't find "This choice will open a MMF route later in the game" to be an obvious enough warning that MMF routes were going to feature. Given that, I didn't think it was a great idea to tell someone "all the choices are obvious" when they asked if they could avoid fetishes they wereb't in to. I think my reasoning is clear, and you disagree with me; that's all fine.
But it isn't a character flaw to insist that people actually engage with the argument you're making, and not the one they only think you're making. It isn't an obsession, and it isn't a need to win, and I truly don't know why you can't see the difference.

We're agreeing far too much on things, essentially

In that case, I think it's important to be upfront, and tell you that I hate you, and I hope you don't survive the winter, and that no-one attends your funeral.
All joking aside, I can appreciate the sentiment; Devil's Advocate's fun, and in a particular manner of speaking it was literally my job for a while.

Yeah, that choice wasn't going to be entirely innocent

Is that what he said? I honestly don't remember; what I do remember is reading "This will open a MMF route with Martin later in the game" and thinking to myself "what the fuck?" I remember the MMF route being the outcome came as a surprised, but I have to acknowledge that I don't actually remember why.

 

[Broarmy2107]

wtf? most games are vanilla, MC+harem, Milf, Incest.
and if someone dares to add something else you need to shut it down immediately.
I can count in one hand the games that are within my taste right now.
I skip game after game after game since the Devs are making it exactly for people like Rythan25. only his taste and nothing else.
Even optional is a no go. my way or the highway attitude.

sure, like Corvus Belli says, we need to defend what we want.
but ultimately that means we need to fight all the time. we can't be civil, open minded, friendly to each other, agree to disagree, compromise, share, accept each other differences. no, we need to fight to get what we want and shut down everything else.

you want something that I dont like? no way, go burn and I will do everything in my power so you can't have it.
I only want what I want, do you understand? you don't have a saying, you don't matter, take your taste and die.

I don't want Milf, remove it or I will do everything in my power to make it difficult for the DEV.
I don't want Cheating, remove it or I will do everything in my power to make it difficult for the DEV.
I don't want Harem, remove it or I will do everything in my power to make it difficult for the DEV.
I don't want Vanilla, remove it or I will do everything in my power to make it difficult for the DEV.
I don't want Love Story, remove it or I will do everything in my power to make it difficult for the DEV.
I don't want Young Dudes, remove it or I will do everything in my power to make it difficult for the DEV.
I don't want "What you Like", remove it or I will do everything in my power to make it difficult for the DEV.
......

I think the point isnt just 'something' people dont like. Its NTR specifically that a lot of people (including me) dont really like. Most discussions here are about ntr. For it awakens the feeling it jealousy in people. Its not like games make a lot of diffrent tags optional it is mostly that ntr gets implemented as an optional route. To me i dont like sharing, so ntr isnt really for me because the mc on that route still has to cope with the female. To me either the something with the MC or nothing at all, thats again for Me the most enjoyable.

 

[thanatos69]

I think the point isnt just 'something' people dont like. Its NTR specifically that a lot of people (including me) dont really like. Most discussions here are about ntr. For it awakens the feeling it jealousy in people. Its not like games make a lot of diffrent tags optional it is mostly that ntr gets implemented as an optional route. To me i dont like sharing, so ntr isnt really for me because the mc on that route still has to cope with the female. To me either the something with the MC or nothing at all, thats again for Me the most enjoyable.

The game doesn't have and won't have NTR.

Sharing and MMF is not NTR.

 

[Jeff Steel]

a Few notes from me on the attached chart:

1. Any player of these games are going to post much higher on the percentage for men than what is on the chart. Imo.

2. Swinging is a couple thing, not a single male having sexual with a couple. Thus it implies your “other” is having sex with a male. Note that I would be surprised if this VN audience didn’t rate 60% or higher on average.

3. I note there is nothing on the chart to cover “giving away your gf” - being cucked - or NTR.

4. I do note bestiality (which falls for me low - but then again, I get a 2% rating on foot play as well)

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Point being, stop bashing swinging as an outlier. And stop calling it ntr.

 

[Jeff Steel]

My chart got cut off, but bestiality is at 2% ... and to clarity, it was specifically would you as a man fantasize having sex with an animal - imagine the percentage is higher if it asked would you watch a female have sex with an animal...though probly still low percentage.

 

[Creeping Death]

My chart got cut off, but bestiality is at 2% ... and to clarity, it was specifically would you as a man fantasize having sex with an animal - imagine the percentage is higher if it asked would you watch a female have sex with an animal...though probly still low percentage.

Well, the combination human male with an animal is not only absolutely _not_ my thing I also consider every sexual intercourse between a human male and an animal as rape. The only animal stuff which is consensual for me is a human female, willingly, let herself being fucked by an animal. I think this is an important difference in general on this beast topic. So there is in my eyes nothing wrong if D is on all fours, by her free choice, and a grown up doggy mates with her by his free choice.

 

[smokebox]

Jeff Steel is gonna win the patience award of the year here in F95, he answered the same question over and over again, we already have pages and pages with the same questions, mostly about NTR and Bestiality, i am just glad that we will actually have a CH3, the content that i want is D+F only, the poly arc,and Rachel, i wont share D with any other man or animal, in fact you can turn down Martin in CH1 i know because i did that ,so why bitching about something you have total control over?, the players who want that kind of content dont give a fuck about people complaint about it, just like i want Rachel content and i dont give a fuck about people saying 1000 times that she is a monster and bla bla bla, lets just play DMD the way we want it and enjoy it while it lasts.

 

[goobdoob]

a Few notes from me on the attached chart:

1. Any player of these games are going to post much higher on the percentage for men than what is on the chart. Imo.

2. Swinging is a couple thing, not a single male having sexual with a couple. Thus it implies your “other” is having sex with a male. Note that I would be surprised if this VN audience didn’t rate 60% or higher on average.

3. I note there is nothing on the chart to cover “giving away your gf” - being cucked - or NTR.

4. I do note bestiality (which falls for me low - but then again, I get a 2% rating on foot play as well)

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Point being, stop bashing swinging as an outlier. And stop calling it ntr.

Source?

 

[Goblin Baily: DILF]

Well, the combination human male with an animal is not only absolutely _not_ my thing I also consider every sexual intercourse between a human male and an animal as rape. The only animal stuff which is consensual for me is a human female, willingly, let herself being fucked by an animal. I think this is an important difference in general on this beast topic. So there is in my eyes nothing wrong if D is on all fours, by her free choice, and a grown up doggy mates with her by his free choice.

That's naive since the notion assumes that he doggy knows what consent is

 

[slackster]

Jeff on your chart what is the % of Females that have fantasized about swinging? - it is blocked out by your highlight lines

 

[Jeff Steel]

Source?

From this article citing the Journal of Sexual Medicine published article.

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I’m having trouble on opening the Link to the Journal - so I cant currently confirm.

Here is the full chart cited in another online article

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[Jeff Steel]

From this article citing the Journal of Sexual Medicine published article.

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I’m having trouble on opening the Link to the Journal - so I cant currently confirm.

Here is the full chart cited in another online article

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17% with a couple the lady knows - but jumps up to 26% with a couple she does not know.

 

[slackster]

17% with a couple the lady knows - but jumps up to 26% with a couple she does not know.

Thais a significant and interesting gap

 

[Jeff Steel]

Thais a significant and interesting gap

Check out men as I believe when you switch to sex with strangers, it drops - for women, it goes up. Maybe it allows women to focus more on the sex.? Idk

 

[slackster]

Maybe it allows women to focus more on the sex.? Idk

Men want girls they have some sort of relationship with, girls want no strings attached sex

 

[goobdoob]

Check out men as I believe when you switch to sex with strangers, it drops - for women, it goes up. Maybe it allows women to focus more on the sex.? Idk

The gap may be because she doesn't want your dirty laundry shared with someone you know. It's safer with someone you don't.

 

[Creeping Death]

That's naive since the notion assumes that he doggy knows what consent is

That's not naive. Doggy is horny, there's a bitch in heat on all fours, she let's him on her back. That's consent. But, discussing this would be off topic and, in a porn game, no human or animal will be harmed. But if we discuss this more, we will be harmed by a mod

 

[RustyV]

Well . . . by dint of the fact that this is a game, and it's determined by the choice of the player which storylines will or will not open, with none being deemed a deafult, then no, she can't have any of her own agency. She won't say "yes" or "no" to any available option without the players input, and the game often elects for those decisions to be made in-game, too.
D never actually chooses anything; the player makes all the decisions, because that's how choices in games work if there's no default. You want a MFF route with Elena, then you make the choices that will lead there. You want to have a D/F only route, then you make those choices too; funnily enough, if you want a MMF route, you have to make that choice, too.

I agree.
VNs are basically the you chose your own adventure books that were popular with children when I was young. You read a storyline to a point when you had to pick one of two options and then skip ahead to a certain page to which you were directed and continue the story from there until you had to pick another plot route.
That being said YOU the player are actually D's personal deity controlling her fate. Your whims will decide what path she will explore. To make a pop-culture reference you're kind of like God (Chuck) in this last season of Supernatural.
Mr.Dots and his team gives you chances to opt out of a particular action. So you can have a D-Only-For-Me route, a D-Does-DMD route, or a middle ground of D's-Lez-Be-Friends route. It's all up to you.

What I do find interesting is how DMD has (more than most VNs) created a character in D that engenders such strong emotions in players. D seems to have moved from an adult fantasy game hottie to in a Pinocchio-esque manner becoming a real girl.

 

[RustyV]

Yeah, but they are supposed to be "in love", so we can give that a pass.
Fucking an animal is way way past that, would you let your daughter fuck a random hobo? or a methhead? No. You know why? Because you are her father, her safety is in your hands, so you forcing/allowing her to fuck an animal, with the insane risk of catching a disease that this have, coupled with the moral twistery that you have do for it, turns you into a garbage of a parent/human being. So yes, he's not half decent, but at least he's not supposed to be a degenerate.

Is this the game we were sold at the start? Fuck no. Does people have a right to complain about it? Of course.

I agree with you that even if the MC has moved past father and morphed into significant-other there is a distinction between that and degenerate.

Actually Bestiality was in the tags when the game was first released. But, unless the dev team has changed their stance Jeff Steel has previously asserted that kink was only seen as a punishment route, and not for D.
The Pet Arc could also be D role-playing as a Hello Kittty (or whatever it's called), or just soon having a route where D becomes super submissive. IMO D reverting back to a submissive mouse would betray all the character development of D throughout the DMD VN.

 

[affen123]

What D does not get a bestiality scene