VN Ren'Py Completed Dating My Daughter [Ch. 1-4 v1.01] [MrDots Games]

[Big Rooster]

They are not any more sovereign, then you or I. Simply another delusional mental construct to facilitate division and oppression.

sovereign: meaning a free individual i.e. (I am my own master and not beholden to anyone or government)
Keep on telling yourself that, anyone with a social security number is property with a serial # attached to them. When ordinary people living under the law go to jail for inconsequential stuff and they can get away literally anything there's a reason for that. I'm no SJW but have been paying attention for a long while. Do yourself a favor, learn about it, I may be nuts but that doesn't I'm not right!
chagataikhan as to your point of royalty not partaking in incestuous relationships anymore, your right, inasmuch that we don't know about it, but we don't know what we don't know.

 

[oaiki]

I would not agree with this, in my opinion this is just some idealization of the world. On the contrary, I and many others, including philosophers, believe (including from empirical experience) that "every desire has it`s own price." Therefore, the phrase "only limits to her desires are within her own imagination" seems somewhat simplistic for a "independent personality." Otherwise, I would agree.

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It's a fucking (a gratuitous expletive and adjective) game, a fantasy born from the art and scripted by its imaginator. It's a fantasy universe which allows you to escape from the strictures of real life with impunity. Until you post, no one knows you play these games nor do they know what kinks you have nor where you draw your “moral” line. Frankly, no one cares other than that your post grants them licence to remonstrate or agree with you. The games here are offered for free, sometimes to the detriment of the developers' revenue base; a revenue base that allows them to continue producing the games which you obviously enjoy. If you do not like a game's direction, choices or scenarios, don't play it; there are a plethora of games that you may find more agreeable. If you want to change or influence its direction, subscribe on the developer's subscription site and engage with them there where you are more likely to be heard; if you have already done so and been rejected, don't bring your arguments here. As a freeloader here you have no no rights. Your posts about what a character in a fantasy should or would do in real life are irrelevant and boring; they detract from the value of these forums.

 

[RustyV]

The warning of exacting a "price" assumes a necessary balance within her life, perhaps implying a moralistic or cautionary quality is involved in D's ability to exercise her sexual desire in whatever way is available to her that seems attainable or interesting.

So, there seems to be an undercurrent in your post which implies that D's exponential ramp-up of sexual experiences and initimacy with friends, acquaintances is somehow an aspect of life which must necessarily be curated or that it comes with a balance of expense. It's merely another form of her blossoming expression from within, enabled almost fully by a combination of F's desire to support her happiness and those she meets wanting to get in her (or her partner's) pants. Given that her only other priorities in life are firming the definition of her lifestyle with F at its core - which includes long-lasting income options and a mutually desirable living space - she literally has only her imagination holding her back when it comes to expressing herself in this sexual hobby.

And that's what it is for her at this point: an enjoyable activity, without remorse and filled with verve to experience more, wondering what can come next as much as appreciating what she already enjoys.

Her rampup in sexual activities has not made D drop career plans, desire to own a home and to marry + procreate with F - if anything, she apparently feels closer to him from all the trust and open experiences they have shared, discussed and mutually allowed.

Sexuality can be a valid aspect of someone's lifestyle, there is no need to view it as a limitation to other aspects of her life simply because she has so many options available from which she might sample and dig deeper into exercising.

Anyone seeking to remind D that she has limits on sexual tastes and forays - even while she's still successfully balancing other aspects of her life which are both necessary and fulfilling - would seem to be placing their own values upon her. In the reality of Donutistan, I have a feeling D would find little to learn from if such abstract ideals were offered to her as a warning or guide for her life when all evidence suggests she's doing just fine.

First kudos for using verve.
I like how you describe D's sexual activity as a hobby.
IMO that is a very apt descriptor. D was sheltered to the point of becoming socially maladjusted and unable to respond to any sexual stimuli without a great deal of soul searching. That she is now not just open to the idea of more sexual experiences but actively wants pursue them while not wanting to abandon what she has with F is an argument for D treating sex as a hobby. A fun distraction and short escape from the realities of life.
This is one of the great divide between D only and D sharing routes. In D only she is turned away from outside sex and is only interested in F.
In D sharing (whether it be girl only sharing or full on open options sex for D) we have a D that is less of a social hermit crab and more of a social bunny.

 

[RustyV]

your right that's why it 's illegal, exceptions are royalty, because they're sovereign and we are not.

And you get Prince Andrew.

 

[RustyV]

They are not any more sovereign, then you or I. Simply another delusional mental construct to facilitate division and oppression.

I would disagree. Royalty can transcend everyday people and become symbols of national identity.
Which is a double edged sword in that if your nation is doing well the Royals get public adoration, Queen Victoria. If however the nation is a mess the Royals can bear the blame and end up becoming the focus of the wrath of the people, the Czar and his family.

 

[fried]

Inbreeding is fraught with the possibility of adverse, multiple genetic disorders, as witnessed by the European Royal Family. So I want that if D gets in "the family way" Martin (with a lot of MMF scenes) is the lucky sperm donor and F gets Olivia, Jennifer, Georgina, Elana, Margo
& Rachel preggo at the ending of the game.

It's a concern, but having a greater chance for expressing recessive traits that can be undesirable can benefit from genetic testing before/after and can help any hopeful couples to understand their risks/results. Given the kind of consideration for health and well-being that this game has showed between F and D over its course, I think it would be completely within their character to approach the concept of conceiving with precautionary genetic counseling.

That is, we don't automatically see a list of horrific, inherited traits from a one-off related pairing - even though their chances of creating offspring with recessive trait selection is elevated vs. sharing genetic material with a random, unrelated member of the general population. My biologically unrelated parents had kids with a range of recessive trait defects - but, they didn't have preventative genetic testing in those days. My unrelated spouse and I went through genetic counseling specifically because of my family's genetic background. D and F could do that from consideration of their related genetic material, too.

Certainly, the chances of selecting for undesirable recessive gene combinations tends to increase with successive generations built upon inbreeding. That's the (European, Egyptian, etc.) royal family situation you mentioned.

But, it would be a neat evolution to manage in the game if all the potential "mating" partners get genetic testing and then decide to interbreed across relationship lines based on the results - rearing respective kids in family situations that don't necessarily reflect the biological pairings meant to offer safest outcomes, but instead by the loving parent pairs. It's actually not unheard of IRL ...

 

[Big Rooster]

And you get Prince Andrew.

and Epstein was not murdered

 

[Chagatai Khan]

sovereign: meaning a free individual, (I am my own master and not beholden to anyone or government)
Keep on telling yourself that, anyone with a social security number is property with a serial # attached to them. When ordinary people living under the law go to jail for inconsequential stuff and they can get away literally anything there's a reason for that. Think about diplomatic immunity for example, a diplomat is a foreign government's property. I'm no SJW but have been paying attention for a long while. Do yourself a favor, learn about it, I may be nuts but that doesn't I'm not right!
chagataikhan as to your point of royalty not partaking in incestuous relationships anymore, your right, inasmuch that we don't know about it, but we don't know what we don't know.

No one is truly sovereign in that, in theory at least, everyone is beholden to some government or another. Now, I'm not saying that royals don't get away with things that other high-profile public figures might not get away with, but in this day and age the more known you are the less sovereign you are because all eyes are on you. As I mentioned in my previous post, look at the shit storm that was created by the revalations about Juan Carlos his escapades, the attention that prince Andrew has been getting because of the Epstein connection, not to mention the row between prince Harry and prince William. Royalty often get away with more than most people, but there's a limit to that. Western constitutional monarchies are dependent on funds allocated by their respective parliaments and public approval, amongst other things. A true sovereign, an autokrator (original meaning of the word), would not be.

If you want to be as sovereign in this time as is possible you have to be 1) filthy rich, 2) be unknown to the public and 3) have no issues with your local version of the IRS.

As to royal incest. First degree incest in the European and Middle-Eastern sphere hasn't been practiced for almost two millenia (with the possible exception of Sassanian Iran, but we know too little about the spouses of Sassanian Shah's to know for sure). I also don't see any reason why modern monarchies would take the risk of marrying 1st cousins when the up-side of such a match doesn't exist anymore (keeping land and wealth in the family). The genealogies of all European monarchies are a matter of public record so anybody would be able to find out. You might say that it's all been covered up and although I can't disprove that, you can't prove it either. Keeping conspiracies from becoming public knowledge is fraught with all kinds of difficulties. The president of the US couldn't even keep it a secret that he was poking his cigar in an intern's pussy!

 

[Spfjolietjake]

I thought this was a thread about a VN

 

[Big Rooster]

I thought this was a thread about a VN

it is long time to wait til October

 

[fried]

IMO that is a very apt descriptor. D was sheltered to the point of becoming socially maladjusted and unable to respond to any sexual stimuli without a great deal of soul searching. That she is now not just open to the idea of more sexual experiences but actively wants pursue them while not wanting to abandon what she has with F is an argument for D treating sex as a hobby. A fun distraction and short escape from the realities of life.

This is a great summary of what has brought them through to Chapter 3's end, wish I could hit on key points so easily. Easily a hobby she's integrated into her lifestyle ... some people have DnD, adult games, fixing their homes, working on their cars, playing cards with friends, etc. - D has a number of social activities INCLUDING her sexual hobby.

I have a good friend who is both polyamorous and has a number of hobbies including bondage/rope suspension and sex hobbies with friends and at clubs (well, at least before the pandemic). When we eventually synch up and swap stories on what's been going on since last talking, her free time activities just happen to have more physical contortions and intimacy than mine. Feels "normal" to me at this point ... because it is.

This is one of the great divide between D only and D sharing routes. In D only she is turned away from outside sex and is only interested in F.
In D sharing (whether it be girl only sharing or full on open options sex for D) we have a D that is less of a social hermit crab and more of a social bunny.

That effectively takes away all the ooh, ahh of the sex and distills it down to D's choices (as it always has been) well, IMHO. We're really talking about two different versions of D, aren't we? I'd be tempted to offer that it could also be seen as two different levels of emotional and relationship maturity for D, but that might not be fair: both versions of D seem equally valid.

 

[JaegerMister]

I thought this was a thread about a VN

Can't think of anything to say, so I'll just say hi Jake.

 

[RustyV]

This is a great summary of what has brought them through to Chapter 3's end, wish I could hit on key points so easily. Easily a hobby she's integrated into her lifestyle ... some people have DnD, adult games, fixing their homes, working on their cars, playing cards with friends, etc. - D has a number of social activities INCLUDING her sexual hobby.

I have a good friend who is both polyamorous and has a number of hobbies including bondage/rope suspension and sex hobbies with friends and at clubs (well, at least before the pandemic). When we eventually synch up and swap stories on what's been going on since last talking, her free time activities just happen to have more physical contortions and intimacy than mine. Feels "normal" to me at this point ... because it is.



That effectively takes away all the ooh, ahh of the sex and distills it down to D's choices (as it always has been) well, IMHO. We're really talking about two different versions of D, aren't we? I'd be tempted to offer that it could also be seen as two different levels of emotional and relationship maturity for D, but that might not be fair: both versions of D seem equally valid.

IMO D only and D sharing D are the same D. Except the D sharing D has given into her desires while D only D has decided (or it has been decided for her) that she is happy with F and doesn't need outside partners.
One D has embraced her sexual appetites and one D has avoided them.

 

[ShadowThrone]

IMO D only and D sharing D are the same D. Except the D sharing D has given into her desires while D only D has decided (or it has been decided for her) that she is happy with F and doesn't need outside partners.
One D has embraced her sexual appetites and one D has avoided them.

That's a lot of Ds

 

[Big Rooster]

That's a lot of Ds

double D's

 

[JaegerMister]

double D's

10 D's and an F. Welp, all too big for me, give me a nice A or B any day

 

[RustyV]

It's like in a high school Double Ds will get a girl an A.

 

[JaegerMister]

It's like in a high school Double Ds will get a girl an A.

While an A would have got them my D, all those years ago

 

[tulfo]

When the next update?

 

[baka]

so, what about favorite scene? are those changing all the time, like, the latest update will always contain the best scene so far, or is there one scene that always stick that is memorable and maybe even made u love this game?