AlfredBundy4

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A question aboit some of the lore in this game.

Ryan and Lucas are brothers, right?
What happened to Lucas after he knocked out the dad(F) in DMD? (not counting his cameo in Sunshine)

Does Ryan know about Lucas and F's fights?

I cant remember what was said in episode 1 and 2 anyone and tbh i dont find those two chapters any good. Thanks in advance
An answer as well as a bit of a side note:

Lucas is kind of a textbook example of what is a recurring negative about the devs plotlines in their titles.
Lucas was created to be a rival of sorts, a threat to the father. I (and others) would then say that the majority of the base disliked the notion of having a threat so he was thrown away as if he never existed.
So the dev takes a pretty central character of the story and just removes him without much fanfare. In this case he has Lucas try to attack D and then be caught by police for doing so. At that point the character is pretty much gone forever despite getting out of jail and showing up in the dev's other story for one scene. It's weird.

As for Ryan, I always assumed they were brothers as well and I could have swore it was stated as such in a previous build/release. If they are not and it was never stated, I just assumed it as well and admit that it's a possibility it was all assumption on my end. No harm there but should have been made more clear if it wasn't. As for Lucas' role, it's weird and probably the A-1 example of why writing without a plan and/or changing your plan to suit an audience is a bad idea.

This has zero to do with any fetish or personal desire, btw. I don't care how, who or what fucks what in a VN. I'm in it for story and if sexual in nature the sex (obviously). I don't put myself in the role of a MC or have any feelings personally about what happens to a fictional character in a story. D being a slut or perfect virgin wouldn't affect me personally IRL. I don't care, I just like good stories. Lucas could have been left out entirely or fucked D seven ways from Sunday. I don't care either way.
I do care about a story's basic sense of logic and continuity. That is probably this dev's weakest area despite being a solid developer overall. Chapter 1 of DMD might as well be an entirely different title than the chapters following it. It's bizarre and blatantly different.

Consider while playing later on in the story that her father (MC) bets her virginity on a game of pool/snooker just a few days after meeting her, lol. In this "love story" he takes her to a scummy bar where he bets her virgin pussy on a game of pool. Yes, MC wins that game but consider the message sent from within the story and put that against what the story is now. The reader has to assume the possibility that he loses and what that means from the perspective of us learning who he is inside. It absolutely does not jibe with the character seen later and many seem to forget this or willfully ignore the inconsistency.

Also, in chapter 1 the MC is saving D from being raped/molested a lot. Like, kinda constantly lol. Which, that's fine if that's what you want to do in a story! She is, after all, a naive fuckdoll of a girl. She's a blonde, walking set of tits. Guys would swarm her IRL so I can see adding that in to the story. Fine.
However, that shit gets abandoned real quick and nothing else of that nature happens beyond Chapter 1. That is also ok in a story by itself but not together! You gotta pick one but the dev isn't really good at that (or wasn't at the time). The vibe of the plotline varies wildly in DMD and it makes it one of the better but confusing VNs available. It feels as if the dev wanted to make one thing but then realized most readers didn't want that and placated them.

I would say that is always a bad practice for a writer and storyteller. Lucas specifically exemplifies all of that.
 
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AlfredBundy4

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Leaving aside the martin thing, the game looks like it's going to be more of the same as the last updates, the D/F patch where they're going to fuck like fucking rabbits in every possible place they can think of, honestly yes If it weren't for the extra characters like Martin, this game would be dead. Humble opinion.

Sorry if it's misspelled, I don't speak English.
Accurate. An overall good VN that has become boring and should have matured/evolved or ended a while ago.
Either end it with D+F in a blissful and exclusive life together or have her branch-out on her own a bit. There is nothing that can be done that we haven't seen in the exclusively D+F path. Nothing from a character development standpoint. Marriage? Kids? A long, fruitful life together? Ok but that can be done in a single update that ends the entire story. Anything more than an update to tell the reader that much would be the wrong step, needlessly excessive.

For anything new they have to have her do new things. Will she ever grow as a person? Will she ever wonder if tying herself to one man at such an early age - father or not - is a bad idea? Will she ever suspect her dad's friend of not having her best interests?

It's just such an insulated character and it's bizarre to me that she seems ok with that. Even in a porn VN it seems lazy and infantile for a character.
So I'm also in the "do something new or end it" camp.
 
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AlfredBundy4

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I just find that hilarious.

No, there's nothing moral about F and D's relationship. There is nothing moral about this game, and trying to insert it would be absurd.
Thank you. I agree with him about Martin but I have also stated what you have said in defense of anyone here wanting new things to happen. My posts are always deleted as trolling or kink shaming when I'm doing the opposite. Oddly.

My point always being that nobody has any right to be upset about what another does or does not want in an story built upon a father fucking his genetic daughter, lol. Agree or disagree but people freaking out on each other stands insane when you consider that neither party is ever debating the morality or decency of a father fucking his daughter.

Which, in a fictional story, I don't mind. I'm anti-kink shaming. IRL I would be very against it but DMD isn't real life. People seem to be unable to connect both dots there, that you may or may not like a particular kink AND it shouldn't matter because it's all pretty fucked up AND not real. Like, it's NOT real. You are NOT MC/F and D doesn't exist. Not real people and if they were you certainly aren't them, lol.
 
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Hyperserver

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kinda weird how this game avoided the ntr tag considering the crybabies in this site would put the ntr tag even if just another male is seen on the screen in other games
it has avoided NTR tag simply by the fact that there is no NTR inside the game at all :p
 

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im talking about the black dude,in other games even seeing a couple fucking is considered ntr
I know about who you are talking - but that's still not NTR as it all happens with consent of all 3 persons (D, F and M).
With both eyes closed you might call that cuckolding, but even that's not though.

Funny remark:
me:" Hey my best friend - wanna fuck my girl while i fuck yours? like group sex?"
he:"yeah - fine - let's do that if the girls are fine with it"
girls:"hm... okay - sounds like fun"
...
F95 player: " NOOOOOO - that's NTR - i have to see a dick"
....
dev:" Why have you even chosen that path? you could have avoided !?"
player" well - the content is in there, and i want to see ALL content - so fuck you dev for making me see that dick"
....
 

Uthuriel

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im talking about the black dude,in other games even seeing a couple fucking is considered ntr
You can get rid of Martin in the first chapter by just saying no. And even if you are on the Martin path it's consensual sharing and therefore not NTR.
 

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Leaving aside the martin thing, the game looks like it's going to be more of the same as the last updates, the D/F patch where they're going to fuck like fucking rabbits in every possible place they can think of, honestly yes If it weren't for the extra characters like Martin, this game would be dead. Humble opinion.

Sorry if it's misspelled, I don't speak English.
lmao you are delusional. After 5 years Martin has 2 scenes. Yet, Mr dots are at record high in subs.

If you do a poll, I’m willing to bet most would say chp 1-2 are the best where there’s no Sharing content. sharing kink (with other males) isn’t as popular as you think outside of this forum.
 

Uthuriel

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lmao you are delusional. After 5 years Martin has 2 scenes. Yet, Mr dots are at record high in subs.

If you do a poll, I’m willing to bet most would say chp 1-2 are the best where there’s no Sharing content. sharing kink (with other males) isn’t as popular as you think outside of this forum.
The game was indeed best at chapters one and two.
 

Onerobone

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Personally I like the game from chapter one through to chapter four and I am waiting for the next chapter, also kudos to the developer for game and story. I am sorry to see this game end as I would have liked to see it continue. I think there are multiple possibilities for the characters and I don't see why there has to be happy endings when as through choices you could also have bad ending.

I would have liked to have seen more Daughter off on her own, maybe Martin / sharing friends. Elena / Jennifer has tables turned and is corrupted by Daughter has she falls further.

Daughter is corrupted further from Modelling into more racier elements.
More development with Cassandra, Olivia / Graham, Georgina etc.
Lucas finds Daughter, possibly Father does away with Lucas.

Anyway, as said I know the game is ending and these are just my thoughts if they ever decide a reboot of series.
As said above Thank you guys for an enjoyable game and will wait for next release and possibly next game.

Cheers
 
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Personally I like the game from chapter one through to chapter four and I am waiting for the next chapter, also kudos to the developer for game and story. I am sorry to see this game end as I would have liked to see it continue. I think there are multiple possibilities for the characters and I don't see why there has to be happy endings when as through choices you could also have bad ending.

I would have liked to have seen more Daughter off on her own, maybe Martin / sharing friends. Elena / Jennifer has tables turned and is corrupted by Daughter has she falls further.

Daughter is corrupted further from Modelling into more racier elements.
More development with Cassandra, Olivia / Graham, Georgina etc.
Lucas finds Daughter, possibly Father does away with Lucas.

Anyway, as said I know the game is ending and these are just my thoughts if they ever decide a reboot of series.
As said above Thank you guys for an enjoyable game and will wait for next release and possibly next game.

Cheers
It’s been said multiple times there is no more chapters after 4 and all those fantasy content you asked for is never going to be added either.

Sorry.
 
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Uthuriel

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Personally I like the game from chapter one through to chapter four and I am waiting for the next chapter, also kudos to the developer for game and story. I am sorry to see this game end as I would have liked to see it continue. I think there are multiple possibilities for the characters and I don't see why there has to be happy endings when as through choices you could also have bad ending.

I would have liked to have seen more Daughter off on her own, maybe Martin / sharing friends. Elena / Jennifer has tables turned and is corrupted by Daughter has she falls further.

Daughter is corrupted further from Modelling into more racier elements.
More development with Cassandra, Olivia / Graham, Georgina etc.
Lucas finds Daughter, possibly Father does away with Lucas.

Anyway, as said I know the game is ending and these are just my thoughts if they ever decide a reboot of series.
As said above Thank you guys for an enjoyable game and will wait for next release and possibly next game.

Cheers
Yeah good luck with that... cause it won't happen. :KEK:

Chapter four is the last chapter.
 
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Onerobone

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It’s been said multiple times there is no more chapters after 4 and all those fantasy content you asked for is never going to be added either.

Sorry.
Yeah, I know, it was just thoughts and gratitude's I wanted to express before it went. I don't really express my opinion much and wanted to in this case. Anyway I can always be hopeful. :)(y)
 

exazubi

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Personally I like the game from chapter one through to chapter four and I am waiting for the next chapter, also kudos to the developer for game and story. I am sorry to see this game end as I would have liked to see it continue. I think there are multiple possibilities for the characters and I don't see why there has to be happy endings when as through choices you could also have bad ending.

I would have liked to have seen more Daughter off on her own, maybe Martin / sharing friends. Elena / Jennifer has tables turned and is corrupted by Daughter has she falls further.

Daughter is corrupted further from Modelling into more racier elements.
More development with Cassandra, Olivia / Graham, Georgina etc.
Lucas finds Daughter, possibly Father does away with Lucas.

Anyway, as said I know the game is ending and these are just my thoughts if they ever decide a reboot of series.
As said above Thank you guys for an enjoyable game and will wait for next release and possibly next game.

Cheers
Much of it was actually planned. Just these many plans for the game were the reason why i was interested in it at all. Simply because i was fed up with the linear vanilla stuff years ago and was looking for games that promise broad content and variety. I wasn't the only one. I think it was even this game that first made me aware of this forum. The many plans and tags from the past aroused my interest. I've been following the game for many years longer than I've been active on this forum . I've actually been involved from day one of development. But that was years ago. The most interesting tags have all disappeared over the years, the game has taken a very disappointing path from its interruption by Melody. There was more and more resistance in the development team itself, as well as from the patreons. In the end it was all about the vanilla content. Even the planned content with other women is limited. Just telling the truth: even if we play the routes with Georgina or Elena, how much content do we actually get with them? The differences are so minimal that i wouldn't even assume that the game actually has any routes at all. Pretty much every other content was cropped to further bloat the D/F route. And i doubt very much that now, in the last chapter, anything will change.

It's a vanilla game with no real ups and downs. And it will end exactly as i said 2 years ago: It gets lost in the crowd with hardly any attention. People play it through once, then try other routes, click from one lews scene to the next. And after that the game becomes uninteresting and people look for something new. The game just doesn't offer enough variety. There are just far too many vanilla games out there that still offer a lot more. That's a shame, it shouldn't have been. Potential is indeed there, as well as several LI, there allways was. But what's the use of all the potential if the team doesn't do anything with it?
 
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Spatenklopper

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Chapter 4 is the last?
The only question left is how many updates Chapter 4 will get. 0.33 still leaves plenty of room...
 

Uthuriel

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Much of it was actually planned. Just these many plans for the game were the reason why i was interested in it at all. Simply because i was fed up with the linear vanilla stuff years ago and was looking for games that promise broad content and variety. I wasn't the only one. I think it was even this game that first made me aware of this forum. The many plans and tags from the past aroused my interest. I've been following the game for many years longer than I've been active on this forum . I've actually been involved from day one of development. But that was years ago. The most interesting tags have all disappeared over the years, the game has taken a very disappointing path from its interruption by Melody. There was more and more resistance in the development team itself, as well as from the patreons. In the end it was all about the vanilla content. Even the planned content with other women is limited. Just telling the truth: even if we play the routes with Georgina or Elena, how much content do we actually get with them? The differences are so minimal that i wouldn't even assume that the game actually has any routes at all. Pretty much every other content was cropped to further bloat the D/F route. And i doubt very much that now, in the last chapter, anything will change.

It's a vanilla game with no real ups and downs. And it will end exactly as i said 2 years ago: It gets lost in the crowd with hardly any attention. People play it through once, then try other routes, click from one lews scene to the next. And after that the game becomes uninteresting and people look for something new. The game just doesn't offer enough variety. There are just far too many vanilla games out there that still offer a lot more. That's a shame, it shouldn't have been. Potential is indeed there, as well as several LI, there allways was. But what's the use of all the potential if the team doesn't do anything with it?
So what you are telling me is that MrDots and team stopped their plan to include even more weird stuff because the people that pay them didn't want them?
What a shocker...
 

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Yes, i do! - A friend doesn't lust after the other's partner - no matter who is.
2 people falling in true love is absolutely ok, even it's father and daughter (not necessary ethic, but biology tells us that does happen quiet often between living beings. It's even absulutely allowed at some places on earth.
Neither Martin nor Dee are in "love" with each other - that's pure lust.
Yes, i am chastising Martin for his lust in a game about a guy being in love with his daughter...
So what?
Dude, people here are enjoying their fantasies. It's a game , no need to take it seriously. Dev is an author, game is a fiction story, where we as readers have option to mold the story into our likings. And if the author/dev, gives us an option to share or ntr or whatever, it's the liking of that particular reader to use it or not. You don't need to cry about see Dee showing affection to Martin or vice-versa. It's just a story. If you want to use that route, don't play it.
 
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