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Trikus

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This post has nothing to do with any kink as I'm firmly in the camp that says to just avoid XYZ if X, Y or Z bothers you. This reaction is purely as it is as a VN today:

Ok, there is "jumping the shark" and then there is what DMD has become over the past year. This VN has officially jumped 500 sharks. It's over and at least they know it now.
They had to decide between ending it out of there being nowhere else to go with such a bland set of characters OR actually developing D as something more than a fucktoy...and they chose to end it. I think it's the wrong decision but I respect it as ending it is better than milking readers/players with updates as shitty as they have been for the past year or so.

The funniest moment being F (MC) telling Martin that D is not a goldfish...only for D to - seconds later - not do something because she "isn't allowed". I'm starting to think they know and actively try to make the plot nonsensical.
Further, the only trick this dev has is having a random pop in, try to rape D and have someone come in to save and eventually fuck D. First it was F doing it over and over but now it's Martin because...lol.

Finally, the further it goes the more I have a strong desire to get this girl away from her father! LMAO, I find myself sincerely wishing there was a "run, run away as fast as you can" option for D. The devs have unwittingly made F/MC a fucking slave owner. It's amazing. He went from a loving influence in her life to the sole arbiter of her EVERY thought, action and deed. It's creepy.

Yeah, end it. If this is the best they can do with it at this stage, end it. It's so bad now. A once very good VN is now just nonsensical, boring garbage.
Respect. I tip my cap. It's still better than most overall but it's outright bad now.
What you see as him being a slave owner, is actually how swingers operate and still be committed to each other. Communication is key in this kind of relationship. Rules are set so both parties know what they can and can't do. If D had sex with Martin without talking to F first, that would break the agreement they both have. The swinger lifestyle might seem odd to people who haven't engaged in it, but everything they have shown so far since they officially became a couple is actually fairly accurate. Her being with Martin was her idea, F allowed it not because he is a slave owner, but because he is her partner and he wants her to explore everything sex has to offer. If F was a slave owner he would have pushed her into a relationship she didn't want. The same goes for other characters that she had a relationship with before officially being with F like Elena and Jennifer. She has her own mind when it comes to partners and choices with her life. F supports her decisions.
 

Bueno

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I guess we're at the point of just shoe-horning sex scenes into the game now. I wish the devs would take the time to develop the still models instead to make the characters a little more distinct, or just focus on the next game completely.
 
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AlfredBundy4

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What you see as him being a slave owner, is actually how swingers operate and still be committed to each other. Communication is key in this kind of relationship. Rules are set so both parties know what they can and can't do. If D had sex with Martin without talking to F first, that would break the agreement they both have. The swinger lifestyle might seem odd to people who haven't engaged in it, but everything they have shown so far since they officially became a couple is actually fairly accurate. Her being with Martin was her idea, F allowed it not because he is a slave owner, but because he is her partner and he wants her to explore everything sex has to offer. If F was a slave owner he would have pushed her into a relationship she didn't want. The same goes for other characters that she had a relationship with before officially being with F like Elena and Jennifer. She has her own mind when it comes to partners and choices with her life. F supports her decisions.
Yeah, no. That could definitely be said for what her character was up until about 4 updates ago but lately? Now she's written like someone that wouldn't eat a meal or take a breath without her father's expressed blessing. It's one thing to be naive and subservient and another to not be able to think and act for herself at all. Then having her father talk about her to Martin like he's talking about a pet dog, lol. She's right there sleeping and he's like "she's not a goldfish, man" when she's so much less. A fn goldfish has more self-determination than D, lmao.

Again, my issue is not at all sexual and I understand the dynamics of an open relationship. It's one thing to be in an open relationship/love triangle/swingers and even be the more submissive in that relationship (sexually and generally)and it's another to behave the way D sorta always has but especially so lately. Again, it's the vibe that she wouldn't take a shit without F expressly telling her she can.

Now, we can talk about WHY that is but who cares at this point? It's over. I would and have said that I think the users were given way, way too much influence with the story but the story is over so who cares now. It's not a debate I'm having amymore.

It was a good run and I wish they took another angle but as it is right now it needs to end. I've been saying so for the past year or so and I can't fault them for seeing what many of us see and realizing this has nowhere to go. You can evolve the characters and plot of just call it a day and they choose to call it a day. I'm ok with it. This will probably be my last post in this thread regarding any wishes or regrets and I give a sincere, if not slightly disappointed salute to Mr. Dots. It was a pretty good run.
 

AlfredBundy4

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When did that ntr tag get added? Like blyzer said there is none here which will probably piss the people off that are looking for it.
I think it was always there, IIRC.

My belief (and that of others around from the start) is that this VN was going to deal more with things directly or close to NTR. The dev would later refute this but only after the people supporting him financially held a mini-revolt demanding it never even be alluded to. Immediately after we saw Lucas go and most of the constant "gotta save D from being molested again" events disappear.

There may be NTR with other characters but I think it would (or does) involve MC banging other people's women. So maybe technically worthy of a tag but who knows anymore? This title became something very different than it was that first chapter. I don't see how anyone could argue that what it is was what was intended, even if the dev insists it is. It isn't. Not saying they'd have had D be a whore or something but go back and look at the heated debates that took place about a year or two in. It affected and effected the story, 100%.
 
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I think it was always there, IIRC.

My belief (and that of others around from the start) is that this VN was going to deal more with things directly or close to NTR. The dev would later refute this but only after the people supporting him financially held a mini-revolt demanding it never even be alluded to. Immediately after we saw Lucas go and most of the constant "gotta save D from being molested again" events disappear.

There may be NTR with other characters but I think it would (or does) involve MC banging other people's women. So maybe technically worthy of a tag but who knows anymore? This title became something very different than it was that first chapter. I don't see how anyone could argue that what it is was what was intended, even if the dev insists it is. It isn't. Not saying they'd have had D be a whore or something but go back and look at the heated debates that took place about a year or two in. It affected and effected the story, 100%.
NTR tag was not there, i'm pretty sure of this, and there is none in the game description. There is also no NTR in the game.
 

Lunamaria

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NTR tag was not there, i'm pretty sure of this, and there is none in the game description. There is also no NTR in the game.
Game was originally described as being about a dad corrupting his daughter into sexual deviancy. She was never meant to solely be your girl. She was supposed to belong to the world. But all those elements got dropped when the vocal fanbase wanted a more generic harem.
 

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Game was originally described as being about a dad corrupting his daughter into sexual deviancy. She was never meant to solely be your girl. She was supposed to belong to the world. But all those elements got dropped when the vocal fanbase wanted a more generic harem.
Did MrDots ever confirm that?
 

Uthuriel

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Lol, how good I stopped playing this game a long time ago...

I see Dev likes NTR/sharing and now he's headed towards ''Sharing My Daughter''
Most of the scenes right now are daughter-sharing scenes. :FacePalm:
They aren't... doesn't make the game any less stale or better though...
The only positive thing I can say about this kind of content is that's it's easy to just tun off and forget about it.
 

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Did MrDots ever confirm that?
MrDots doesn't need to confirm, because that's simply not true.
The story was always between D and F. Sure, F corrupts D for incest love, but never meant for more than that, except the sharing with martin (if you are on that path)

Also i confirm that there was NOT an ntr tag before and also that tag is wrong, as there is no ntr in the game at all. Only wanted sharing.

But people over here (some mods) just live their own definition (other dick = ntr).
(watching a couple fucking in park - no love interest, but hey = ntr // son lurking around at night, seing his mom and dad having sex = ntr // two dogs on the road having sex = ntr // a bee fertilizing a flower = ntr ........ like ntr is everything sexual which some plebs don't like to see)

Honestly we don't care. The game is near end each way, and people know that game - no need for tags at all - heh :p
 
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Trikus

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Yeah, no. That could definitely be said for what her character was up until about 4 updates ago but lately? Now she's written like someone that wouldn't eat a meal or take a breath without her father's expressed blessing. It's one thing to be naive and subservient and another to not be able to think and act for herself at all. Then having her father talk about her to Martin like he's talking about a pet dog, lol. She's right there sleeping and he's like "she's not a goldfish, man" when she's so much less. A fn goldfish has more self-determination than D, lmao.
Would you care to give me examples because what you are writing is pure BS. D is making decisions for herself, the biggest being Martin. F is mostly going along with her decisions at this point in the story. Who invites Elena and/or Jennifer to join them at the hotel? D. Who initiates sex when they get back from the club (when not with Martin)? D. Who initiates sex during the sunrise? D. F hardly says a word during the meeting with Leah. That is all D making her own choices. The only decision she defers to F is how much alcohol they are drinking as it has been well established she can't handle her drink.

Also, he uses "she's not a goldfish" because Martin is being an ass and only thinking about himself and not considering D's feelings. He wants to just disappear but since D cares for Martin, she would feel abandoned if Martin just left without a word. That is why F gets angry with him. He isn't talking about her like a pet, he is talking about her as a human being with human feelings.
 
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Swinging is not NTR, though the protagonist does get uncomfortable at first and you've got plenty of opportunities to chicken out if you're too insecure about your relationship with your girl :WeSmart:

I'm very pleased this game is approaching the stag & vixen lifestyle, too few games ever cover this. You can be a dominant man with a slutty girl and decide whom her bulls/bucks will be. As things stand, I'm hoping to include Rachel and Tyra at some point - maybe a twisted filthy path where they try to tempt the MC away from the daughter, causing her to embrace her inner slut with other men out of jealousy or spite. No happy ending here, but lots of depraved sex for both the daughter and the MC :BootyTime:
 

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MrDots doesn't need to confirm, because that's simply not true.
The story was always between D and F. Sure, F corrupts D for incest love, but never meant for more than that, except the sharing with martin (if you are on that path)
Also i confirm that there was NOT an ntr tag before and also that tag is wrong, as there is no ntr in the game at all. Only wanted sharing...
Yeah, hell, I don't even play this game and know it's not NTR. Looks like developer is going to need to make another appeal, again. Also ... to back up Hyperserver -
Nov/Dec 2019:
OneWayMissile said:
This game has the ntr tag on it. So I expect ntr on the game
The NTR tag has finally been removed from game :)
Jan 2021:
Ntr is defined here by the tag definition. It doesn't matter what people feel ntr is or what anyone's discord say ntr is. Here all that matters is f95's definition of ntr.
Which is why this vn doesn't have a ntr tag. I don't think it could be any simpler than that...
3 weeks ago:
it has avoided NTR tag simply by the fact that there is no NTR inside the game at all :p
 
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