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Basicially you are right...
BUT:
If you go to a restaurant, and the all-you-can-eat buffet offers you soup - you can choose different kind of soups, including onion-soup.
Would you blame the retaurant just because you personally don't like onions?
I mean -> the soup is there, so more soup means more to eat?
You see, you just skip the onion-soup and enjoy the rest.
Same is over here - you just enjoy the part of the game you like and ignore the avoidable martin path.

Problem is, that some people ALWAYS come over here to rage - every single update - mostly the same people.
I assume, they do it just for the fun of it - bringing up false facts, bending the definitions (like ntr).
The hell, even with definition of F95 there is no ntr in this game at all, still they continue to force the mods to apply a (false) ntr tag, just because they live in their own world and see things like THEY want to see.
I dont think its ntr but I dont think its simple swinging like some others trying to say.

Havent played since chapter 3 but D literally said that she loves Martin (not as much as F but loves him) and let him cum inside her fully knowing she isnt on a pill anymore.

Imo especially Love part really wasnt necessary and personally was very sadge for me
This is basically what I'm saying as well. I don't have anything against NTR or corruption or sharing/swinging whatever. It just seems odd that for the entire game the characters act one way, but in the 'sharing' scenes their personality changes. Okyturi's examples highlight some of that behaviour. That's why I said what happens comes close to NTR territory given how things seem to change so rapidly during those scenes. D says she loves him, lets him cum in her, all while F is watching uncomfortably. I think it's in ch 4 where one of the updates she seems really bitchy and doesn't really have sex with F but just asks him to watch her masturbate which is weird. I think it's during the period where she gets sent the dildo and she's thinking of Martin when using it. It felt out of place like it was a different game.
 

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This is basically what I'm saying as well. I don't have anything against NTR or corruption or sharing/swinging whatever. It just seems odd that for the entire game the characters act one way, but in the 'sharing' scenes their personality changes. Okyturi's examples highlight some of that behaviour. That's why I said what happens comes close to NTR territory given how things seem to change so rapidly during those scenes. D says she loves him, lets him cum in her, all while F is watching uncomfortably. I think it's in ch 4 where one of the updates she seems really bitchy and doesn't really have sex with F but just asks him to watch her masturbate which is weird. I think it's during the period where she gets sent the dildo and she's thinking of Martin when using it. It felt out of place like it was a different game.
What I also dislike about the Martin path is the tone of the conversations between Dee and Martin:
"Make me your slut"
"Fuck me like the slut I am"
"I am going to destroy your tight asshole"

Quite a change from the innocent girl in Chapter 1.

For my main playthrough I am on the Elena and Jennifer path and there the conversation is much more in line with the original Dee from Chapter 1. Obviously she became more open sexually but some of the innocence and uncertainty is still there. The conversations with Martin are out of character.
 

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It's a shame. After playing part 1 and 2, I never expected what would come in 3 and 4. I don't understand why they don't tell from the beginning what they plan to do, so that we don't fall in love with a story that was not what it seemed. In ch 5 it is likely that D is going to work in a brothel
MrDots laid out a list of content all the way back at the start of this game and "MMF (optional)" was one of the tags. Literally the only tag that has never (and will never) happened is the bestiality tag. The compromise was D getting a pet so the dog is there, it just won't get in on the action.
 
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What I also dislike about the Martin path is the tone of the conversations between Dee and Martin:
"Make me your slut"
"Fuck me like the slut I am"
"I am going to destroy your tight asshole"

Quite a change from the innocent girl in Chapter 1.

For my main playthrough I am on the Elena and Jennifer path and there the conversation is much more in line with the original Dee from Chapter 1. Obviously she became more open sexually but some of the innocence and uncertainty is still there. The conversations with Martin are out of character.
As someone who doesn't mind the Martin path, I too found the conversation between him and D a bit out of character, with him being quite a dick for most of the night. D on the other hand is learning her kinks and she has found she likes dirty talk. You are right she has changed, but that is because she has been encouraged to explore what she likes since she has been with F, when she was sheltered when she was with her mom. Elena tries the dirty talk at times, but not always and Jennifer is less experienced than D.
 

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In my opinion in this version was time to insert a perfect cross-over with "Sunshine Love", at the Sunshine Bay hotel.
 
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Seriously? People liked chapter 1?
It was all:
F: "Nooo i'm scared to fuck my daughter, but she make me super horny"
D: "Nooo dick scares me, but i want to fuck it"
It made me cringe a lot and almost dropped this.
How many times we got as updates another blowjob but from a different angle? Or "today i will rub your pussy with a different finger"?
 

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As someone who doesn't mind the Martin path, I too found the conversation between him and D a bit out of character, with him being quite a dick for most of the night. D on the other hand is learning her kinks and she has found she likes dirty talk. You are right she has changed, but that is because she has been encouraged to explore what she likes since she has been with F, when she was sheltered when she was with her mom. Elena tries the dirty talk at times, but not always and Jennifer is less experienced than D.
Talking dirty is one thing, but it doesn't have to be disrespectful like it is with Martin.

I much prefer Elena's version of talking dirty.
 
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Talking dirty is one thing, but it doesn't have to be disrespectful like it is with Martin.

I much prefer Elena's version of talking dirty.
As do I which is why despite liking the Martin path, I thought Martin was an asshole in this update and I'm glad there was an option for F to get pissed off with him as he knows how much D cares about Martin.

Is the ntr avoidable?
There is no NTR in the game, so yes, fairly easily. If you mean sharing/swinging with other men, then also yes, 100% avoidable.
 

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the martin-path is quite bad. u can read that the writer is not experienced with sharing at all.
it doesn't matter if u want to create "a personality", what we want is a hot sharing scene. so of course the writer need to adjust his personality to be something that works in this scenario.
the whole martin-route is quite superficial and hollow.

the original writer did know how to write, unfortunately, when he left, the game lost it soul.
 
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Anyone who has a basic understanding of swinging knows it isn't NTR, or "cucking".
Well anyone who has a basic understanding of swinging knows that there are no feelings involved. In this case D literally said she loves Martin and like someone said before, she lets him cum inside knowing she's not on the pill so from my basic understanding this is way more than basic swinging.
 

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cuz many see sharing as ntr aka heaven forbid if li has sex with some1 else.
and exactly THAT is the big problem: people THINK.....
I know you know better, so please don't feel personal offence when i am saying "according to their definition (sex with anyone else) it should also count as ntr when Dee having intercourse with Elena. I am NOT on Elena path - so what? Is it now ntr? Dee had sex with someone else?......

People need to grow up and finally learn that ntr is NOT simply "having sex with non-love-interest or see another dick".

Look:
The heck, people call even the long past memory of a sex scene between Dad and Ashley (inSunshine Love) as ntr even MC was a child then and Ashley was NOT a love interest at all that time.
Some people just are too insecure and don't want to see ANY other dick at all -> but "i hate dicks" is more to type than "i hate ntr", i guess
 
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the original writer did know how to write, unfortunately, when he left, the game lost it soul.
well - so you mean since first half of chapter 1. Or in other words: after 6 months out of over 5 years?
Asides that, there is no "THE writer".
Jeff STeel does the writing for character fleshing out.
HearszAM does the story texts AFTER they have decided together how the scenes should look like.
And finally AFTER that, MrDots goes over it and changes and tweaks here and there if he thinks it should be changed.

So i humble ask you to stop acting like THE writer (hearsz) is the one to blame for something YOU don't like.
 

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Well anyone who has a basic understanding of swinging knows that there are no feelings involved. In this case D literally said she loves Martin and like someone said before, she lets him cum inside knowing she's not on the pill so from my basic understanding this is way more than basic swinging.
She loves him, but isn't in love with him. Just like she loves Elena, Jennifer/Georgina, and Olivia. Also, depending on what you chose re pregnancy, she is on the pill. Martin directly asked her if she is on the pill or not.
 

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and exactly THAT is the big problem: people THINK.....
I know you know better, so please don't feel personal offence when i am saying "according to their definition (sex with anyone else) it should also count as ntr when Dee having intercourse with Elena. I am NOT on Elena path - so what? Is it now ntr? Dee had sex with someone else?......

People need to grow up and finally learn that ntr is NOT simply "having sex with non-love-interest or see another dick".

Look:
The heck, people call even the long past memory of a sex scene between Dad and Ashley (inSunshine Love) as ntr even MC was a child then and Ashley was NOT a love interest at all that time.
Some people just are too insecure and don't want to see ANY other dick at all -> but "i hate dicks" is more to type than "i hate ntr", i guess
I remember people complaining about NTR because if you reject Elena, she has a thing with the guy from the countryside. If you reject her, she isn't a love interest.
 

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... what you chose re pregnancy, she is on the pill. Martin directly asked her if she is on the pill or not.
I confirm that!
Either she is on the pill - so no pregnancy at all. Neither from Dad, nor from Martin.
A little spoiler:
If people watched carefully the scenes and did NOT fst-skip through, they might have noticed a small scene of Dee in Bathroom:
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