VN Ren'Py Completed Dating My Daughter [Ch. 1-4 v1.01] [MrDots Games]

[SikaNauta]

Patreon has some adverse publicity, sure. But they'll survive.

Oh, they'll not only survive I think they will thrive. The amount of bad publicity seems big to us because we're getting the shitty end of the stick ATM. In the larger context, this is just a blip for them. Investor money is rolling in. Selling out is popular because it can be VERY profitable.

 

[lynx33]

It's only a matter of time until Patreon dies. It's been shooting itself in the foot.

The sooner the AIF/VN community finds an alternative funding platform, the better for the community.

Patreon will die for porn games, that's for sure. And most likely, the influx of Youtubers coming in will make up for it tenfold. As much as we hate it, this is a money decision for Patreon and more mainstream content like Youtubers will always outearn adult games.

 

[Erandil]

Patreon will die for porn games, that's for sure. And most likely, the influx of Youtubers coming in will make up for it tenfold. As much as we hate it, this is a money decision for Patreon and more mainstream content like Youtubers will always outearn adult games.

I personally think that the fear/idea of pron getting banned from Patreon is more than a bit overblown. Despite how some here act there is a notable difference between "extreme" content like incest etc. and more "standard" fare. And I see little reason why the later would become truly problematic for Patreon since in my experience that isn't really something that investors care that much about or which is that controversial that they would have to worry about a ton of negative press.

And considering how much better and easier it is for somebody to stay on Patreon in regards to userbase, trust etc. than switching to a new platform (which in all likelihood will run into the same issues that Patreon did if they become truly successful) would be I don't exactly see much reason for any serious developer to do so (I mean it is not like they will make significantly less money if they avoid said problem zones).

Sure, since there is a clear demand for such taboo games there will likely some method of monetization but I have a hard time believing that it will rival "normal" porn anytime soon.

 

[lynx33]

I personally think that the fear/idea of pron getting banned from Patreon is more than a bit overblown. Despite how some here act there is a notable difference between "extreme" content like incest etc. and more "standard" fare. And I see little reason why the later would become truly problematic for Patreon since in my experience that isn't really something that investors care that much about or which is that controversial that they would have to worry about a ton of negative press.

And considering how much better and easier it is for somebody to stay on Patreon in regards to userbase, trust etc. than switching to a new platform (which in all likelihood will run into the same issues that Patreon did if they become truly successful) would be I don't exactly see much reason for any serious developer to do so (I mean it is not like they will make significantly less money if they avoid said problem zones).

Sure, since there is a clear demand for such taboo games there will likely some method of monetization but I have a hard time believing that it will rival "normal" porn anytime soon.

I do agree with you there, but with porn games being 95% about those taboo subjects these days... either the devs leave or the devs adapt. So at least Patreon is dead for that kinda porn game. But yes, I think devs might stay with new more agreeable concepts.

My main point was though, that Patreon will not die from this. The porn fans this alienates is a tiny group compared to what they're currently getting in from Youtubers and in venture capital funding.

 

[Blitqz]

Yes and no.
If a dev could retain his highest monthly earnings, of course I'd agree with you.
But there are 2 huge negative outcomes : these monthly earnings get decimated (could easily have lost 80%+ in a few months ; Patreon decides to outright ban ALL the porn devs.
The community may well have to wait it out that long. Feel free to become a full-time pirate until then.

But what is Patreon really. Its just a crowd-funded sight. Devs go there because it's well known. Devs do all the work and essentially Patreon gives them credibility and a place to advertise. Or am I wrong about this.

The thing about a new site, is that it will need big titles to make a name brand of themselves. And if the bigger game developers, basically the ones that can do this as a living, then that would lead to a huge payoff and could/should bring them the smaller ones as well. And sure, they are looking at a niche market. Basically porn game developers, but if anything this site has shown is that there a lot of developers out there.

Which is why I'm suggesting that they all get together to decide where to go and who to back. They'd give that new site proven product and essentially credibility, and by extension show other developers where to land.

Granted, choose wrongly and the site goes under and doesn't pay you, or they have try to take control of the stuff the developers create.

Personally, I think it's a mistake for developers like MrDots to stay with Patreon at this point. Because they could easily change their policy completely away from porn. Further, abandoning projects that have people already invested in said projects, like DmD, are people really going to want to start over on a new project when what they wanted and the reason they gave money was for the payoff that hasn't happen, but was (after 1.5yrs) finally starting to happen.

Granted, this isn't just a sheer abandonment of the game in the classic sense, MrDots' hands have been cut off in regards to DmD and that wasn't foreseeable, but if he chooses to try another one, as he seems to be, then it'll be much harder to get funding. He'll alienate lots by this, further, I think people will be skeptical of supporting Patreon after this as well.

 

[lynx33]

The popularity of these porn games has been both extreme and sudden. Note how DMD, BB and DoD are all the first project for that respective dev.
These games are an extreme/niche type of porn. People are willing to spend much time and money viewing them as a hobby. Making them less extreme is a boner killer. Turning to projects that are non-porn is desperation.
For devs to remain relevant to our community, they must leave Patreon behind. Sadly, even that may not be enough with no viable financial platform in place at this time.
A moderator, @muttdoggy , put it well : we will face this situation like pirates, one day at a time...

Sure, and I'm not suggesting that any devs turn to non-porn, but your posts seem to miss what is actually the point of what I was writing. My point was in no way to start or be part of a discussion of what porn creators should do with the patreon situation, but rather to point out that whoever I initially quoted is dead wrong in claiming Patreon will die and that we as a community vastly overrate what adult games mean to them compared to other genres and that while we might dislike this recent purge, it makes perfect sense business wise to them.

 

[Muff Diver]

From Creator MrDots Games
About DMD:

I’ll be moving the content to my own personal website and we will try to find a way to keep the development going.

Don’t worry, I’ve already saved your email addresses and you’ll be hearing from me soon. Even if you decide to remove your pledge, I will keep in touch with you since I owe you this month’s rewards and I plan on delivering, but it won’t be on this platform anymore.

 

[RustyV]

I personally think that the fear/idea of pron getting banned from Patreon is more than a bit overblown. Despite how some here act there is a notable difference between "extreme" content like incest etc. and more "standard" fare. And I see little reason why the later would become truly problematic for Patreon since in my experience that isn't really something that investors care that much about or which is that controversial that they would have to worry about a ton of negative press.

And considering how much better and easier it is for somebody to stay on Patreon in regards to userbase, trust etc. than switching to a new platform (which in all likelihood will run into the same issues that Patreon did if they become truly successful) would be I don't exactly see much reason for any serious developer to do so (I mean it is not like they will make significantly less money if they avoid said problem zones).

Sure, since there is a clear demand for such taboo games there will likely some method of monetization but I have a hard time believing that it will rival "normal" porn anytime soon.

I disagree. its the fantasy taboo aspect of the games is what makes people play them. With as readily available as main stream porn is there will be little incentive for players to flock to a game, and with Patreon already showing they are willing to change the rules mid-game every dev will be living on borrowed time.
What happens when mothers start to bitch that they caught their snowflake offspring playing a Patreon approved game that show a digital girl's no-no parts? Patreon will roll over devs again. Remember when Janet Jackson's nipple slipped out at a Superbowl halftime show? The country went nuts. Or the flack about the simulated classical nudity in the Greek Olympics opening ceremonies?
Once you let the judgemental "others" censor content it doesn't stop.
DMD is no more unless Mr.Dots makes an effort to do it as a FU

 

[401Grem]

Just 5 days past release and DMD is marked "on-hold". 4 full months with multiple lies told, and we still can't get even this on Teachers pet?

 

[gestved]

Just 5 days past release and DMD is marked "on-hold". 4 full months with multiple lies told, and we still can't get even this on Teachers pet?

it's marked on hold because mr dots is still figuring things out on how he will distribute and charge people for the game, and he said that the game will continue

teacher's pet is only delayed, the difference is obvious

BB is abandoned since DS said he would drop the game, at least for now

 

[RustyV]

Patreon evolved from a musician and a tech guy into suit ownership. A business any business is just a machine to make money, if its not its a hobby(or in the case of media a propaganda tool).
The new masters of Patreon are running a business and limiting liability, and srewing edgy devs who post more than g rated treacle. Bad thing is Patreon already swallowed up one competitor and unless someone in the adult business creates an adult Patreon don't see it happening too soon.

 

[401Grem]

it's marked on hold because mr dots is still figuring things out on how he will distribute and charge people for the game, and he said that the game will continue

teacher's pet is only delayed, the difference is obvious

BB is abandoned since DS said he would drop the game, at least for now

4 months with multiple broken release promises isn't what I would refer to as delayed.

 

[gamersglory]

Don't worry there will be an alternative

 

[gestved]

4 months with multiple broken release promises isn't what I would refer to as delayed.

that's for his patrons to decide, but he is still active on patreon and keeps making promisses about uploading 2.0, so it's not abandoned or on hold

as the pirates of old, we are neutral on this

 

[Blitqz]

Patreon and Paypal are trusted brands--financially. That's what is so hard to replace. It'll take time for another platform to build their brand.
Devs seem to think they can retain their fans better (in quantity) by remaining with Patreon. Short-term thinking on their part but not terrible because the longer term is so uncertain.

That is the issue at hand. And I agree. You know that Patreon will be there, but what you don't know is if 5 months from now they go full non-porn.

And the challenge with a new one is you don't know if they'll last. But I think if the big games go there, it will help solidify a new site. The challenge is that this new site really needs to pretty much be about porn. Whether that be amateur crowdfunded porn, or game development. Otherwise, it stands a chance of getting bought out by a big dog like a Patreon, and then as thus, the porn part of it gets shut down.

That's why if the bigger games and their developers go to a new platform, they should do it together, thus they all bring legitimacy and potential, but if they go different ways, it'd be difficult for a bunch of new start ups to survive.

In the mean time though, I think MrDots really needs to concentrate on DmD. He's got his own webpage, and can likely and not difficultly set up a donation system thru PayPal. The game is big enough that he should be able to survive easily enough if he works on emailing all of his sponsors and retaining them.

 

[FXM]

the new avatar of mr dots

 

[RomanHume]

the new avatar of mr dots

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Yes it is. And we've established that her name is Melvin....

 

[Imperator753]

Who knows.

All I can say is, her full name matters.

Melody. She's trying to be a pop-star and you're her agent. Can I have my cookie now?

 

[RomanHume]

Melody. She's trying to be a pop-star and you're her agent. Can I have my cookie now?

Oh....wow.....that's um, hrm. So let me get this straight. With all the pound me too stuff going on in Hollywood, Mr. Dots thought that to escape judgement of his games that now was a good time to release a story about an agent taking advantage of his young starlet.........I......just.....I mean...........maybe..........hrm.

 

[bluehound36]

Oh....wow.....that's um, hrm. So let me get this straight. With all pound me too stuff going on in Hollywood, Mr. Dots thought that to escape judgement of his games that now was a good time to release a story about an agent taking advantage of his young starlet.........I......just.....I mean...........maybe..........hrm.

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