VN Ren'Py Completed Dating My Daughter [Ch. 1-4 v1.01] [MrDots Games]

[Jeff Steel]

The Father became a babe-magnet AFTER he became an MC. Before that he was a loser.
This is a terrible trope. Probably the worst. Fortunately for devs, most players like it...

Trope appears to be a storytelling shorthand for a concept that the audience will recognize and understand immediately. Since nobody seems to understand this issue unless imexplain it, it can’t be a trope. Not sure if people understand it even when I explain it.

Not sure there is an example of “loser becomes winner as soon as he becomes MC. If there are examples of this in other games, movies, or books, I’d be interested.

In actuality, the “It” concept is a mystical explanation for why a character’s situation changes as rapidly as it does. Though, people’s internal mood and emotional strength can change drastically depending on the catalyst event — is D’s arrival a catalyst event — add a dash of wonder and it is.

 

[SadHold]

This was a milker before....
...now he's making cheese.

Processed cheese.

 

[RomanHume]

Trope appears to be a storytelling shorthand for a concept that the audience will recognize and understand immediately. Since nobody seems to understand this issue unless imexplain it, it can’t be a trope. Not sure if people understand it even when I explain it.

Not sure there is an example of “loser becomes winner as soon as he becomes MC. If there are examples of this in other games, movies, or books, I’d be interested.

I also factor in the idea that good storytelling begins in media res.

You don't start a story three months before the action. Your story
starts when things are changing and stuff starts happening. The MCs life before D is only relevant if it explains something in the here and now. Whether he was a winner or loser doesn't matter unless it has immediate impact.

Love your insights.

 

[RomanHume]

Since so many people want to "immerse" themselves as the MC AND want exclusive, global harems...
What's left? The MC MUST be a super-stud. This is fan-service or hack writing. That's all.
Without the beautiful renders, VNs would not be popular

I am going to respectfully disagree that this is how it MUST be. The story our team is currently working features neither a stud nor a giant cock, but the MC is being pursued by seven potential lovers.

In our story the female sexual drive isn't driven by lust, but rather emotion. Each of the seven characters all have a different emotional reason for pursuing the MC and each engages with him based on those emotional interests.

So at the end of the day, the player can engage with one, none or all of the seven characters without resorting to the generic "oh my god his cock is huge and I must have it" mentality that is rampant in games. There doesn't have to be a macguffin to make the magic happen.

I guess my point is that one should be able to build a harem without being studly or have a massive cock. Emotion will suffice.

 

[Jeff Steel]

Is it confirmed that Mel is a starlet in this new project?
Must be some weird negotiations going on between MrDots and his Patreon editors.

I saw the picture on Patron/MDots -where do we get starlet and Mel? I must have missed the posting of this informations?

I also factor in the idea that good storytelling begins in media res.

You don't start a story three months before the action. Your story
starts when things are changing and stuff starts happening. The MCs life before D is only relevant if it explains something in the here and now. Whether he was a winner or loser doesn't matter unless it has immediate impact.

Love your insights.

Father has no immediate backstory. No girl

On the 'net, I try to use terms that most people will accept. The older term would be "cliche".
In this case, an MC (compare to BB or DoD if you want recent examples) has no discernible redeeming characteristics except a big dick. (A sub-cliche at that).
What most people understand quite well is that these are PORN games. Since so many people want to "immerse" themselves as the MC AND want exclusive, global harems...
What's left? The MC MUST be a super-stud. This is fan-service or hack writing. That's all.
Without the beautiful renders, VNs would not be popular.

I still wish you good luck. But you're up against it, Jeff...

in real life, there are only a handful of people that could (in a Western culture, pull off a “catch them all harem outcome” - mostly people with power, money or fame to a significant degree. It’s this expectation that puts all other MCs with alternate backgrounds into unrealistic situations.

 

[Radoslaw Wolf]

just noticed "on hold" tag :FeelsBadMan:

Of all games discussed here, this is the last one I'd expect to see 'on hold'..

 

[Melicadefer]

I don't really know what MrDots has earned before Patreon has gone down the drain, but how would it be, if devs are using Crowdfunding sites for each updates?

Just to set a "monthly-fee", something like 8 grands (+/-) a month to keep his team alive and then maybe release each month a update - even if it's just small process.

Only until some better solution has occured, because it's always a lot work, regarding to those monthly crowdfundingcampains and keep updates on time.

 

[markmaso]

Dont know why people are writing shit.mr dots said he is continuing this and it is his MAIN project.

 

[Reese286]

This was a milker before....
...now he's making cheese.

and with that [Onhold] flag DMD is starting to smell like Limburger.

 

[Erandil]

I don't really know what MrDots has earned before Patreon has gone down the drain, but how would it be, if devs are using Crowdfunding sites for each updates?

Just to set a "monthly-fee", something like 8 grands (+/-) a month to keep his team alive and then maybe release each month a update - even if it's just small process.

Only until some better solution has occured, because it's always a lot work, regarding to those monthly crowdfundingcampains and keep updates on time.

What exactly would you call Patreon if not a crowdfunding platform? It is the biggest, most popular and easiest to use platform for exactly what you want out there. And the quasi-monthly update schedule is also fairly typical in this whole genre/business...

And the problem with alternative crowdfunding platforms is that the big ones have fairly similar policies to Patreon and/or are far less suitable to the whole business model. And DmD especially skirts a lot of things that almost all major corps don't exactly wish to have on their sites.

Dont know why people are writing shit.mr dots said he is continuing this and it is his MAIN project.

Because an already "slow" progress rate coupled with most significantly likely less monetization potential, the seeming wish of Mr.Dots to do most of the work himself and the needs for a completely new project (that in turn will have access to the far bigger userbase of Patreon) doesn't exactly point towards the brightest future for DmD. Sure maybe it will beat the odds and continue apiece but I personally wouldn't get my hopes up.

 

[RomanHume]

I don't fully disagree with anything you're saying, and I hope I'm not coming off brash. I mean everything I say in the spirit of good conversation and debate.

DMD is my first VN.

Same here. Until Mr. Dots, I didn't even know what Patreon was. He's the reason I signed up to begin with.

setting/keeping a deadline day is paramount.

Absolutely! This is just good business. And if you're going to miss deadlines, you need to communicate fully, clearly and above all accurately with your customers. They will be much more forgiving of a truth up front than an excuse after the fact.

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For the game itself, the most important element is coding (various types). Then comes rendering since that's the main "drawing card" of VNs after all.

As a dev I don't think I could put these in any kind of hierarchical order because they are all equally important. I could have the best story in the world with gorgeous renders, and if my code breaks down constantly, I fail. On the same token, I could have the cleanest, most efficient and reliable code possible, but if my story is weak and my renders garbage, I fail. To me all three, code, renders and story must be given equal priority for ongoing success.

Even if a dev can write a novel or short-story (if he would be so inclined), there are only so many hours in a day.

I've written short stories before and gone through about 75% of Nanowrimo two years in a row, and I have to say, writing a VN is WAY faster and easier. This is because I can focus purely on dialogue. I don't have to spend precious word count describing scenes, mood, setting, etc. All of that is taken care of by the renders. I just have to worry about what my characters are saying and the rest is dealt with visually. This makes writing a VN story for me personally, much faster. I can lay down several scenes of dialogue in a matter of hours.

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My main questions are : is it feasible? ; is it sustainable?

I'll have to let you know when our first story is done, because I'm still answering these questions for myself.

 

[cri]

Someone know what fucking happened with Dating my Daughter?

 

[RomanHume]

Someone know what fucking happened with Dating my Daughter?

He finished it.

Turns out the sex scene with the barista was the climax of the whole damned story. What a twist huh?

 

[cri]

He finished it.

Turns out the sex scene with the barista was the climax of the whole damned story. What a twist huh?

so many hours of bumping for nothing

 

[Qwasar]

Dont know why people are writing shit.mr dots said he is continuing this and it is his MAIN project.

well actually I wonder how he plans to do this, since Patreon already told him that he can't collect money to fuel DmD even if it's off of their platform. Also he said that half of his Patreons use paypal and that in his country Stripe doesn't work.

@RomanHume: I didn't have the chance to follow this thread in the last few days, are there any news I should know about? I mean, I know about the whole issue, but has there been any developement?

 

[Deleted member 15555]

why not just make a website with paypal donors? is not that difficult to fuck up patreon if they seriously wanted, really like many website of cheats for online games do, have a website with vip membeship

 

[RomanHume]

@RomanHume: I didn't have the chance to follow this thread in the last few days, are there any news I should know about? I mean, I know about the whole issue, but has there been any developement?[/QUOTE]

If you're caught up on the whole "Patreon shut him off and he has a new project that he hasn't revealed any details about" then you are still pretty caught up. There is a lot of speculation about his new avatar and someone is saying her name is Melody and that she is a young pop star and you play her agent. But I haven't seen anything to substantiate that rumor, so I'm not sure where it started or if it's true.

Other than that, you haven't missed much.

 

[RomanHume]

@RomanHume: I didn't have the chance to follow this thread in the last few days, are there any news I should know about? I mean, I know about the whole issue, but has there been any developement?

Oh, and then about every tenth post is someone once again introducing the idea of:
a. Hatreon
b. Paypal
c. Devs starting their own Patreon
d. continuing the game on Patreon and trying to hide it.

Even though all of these subjects have been thoroughly talked out...they are still being brought up like they're "new ideas".

 

[gestved]

It's hard to tell the age without seeing the rest of her. At a glance, I would say 17/18, but depending on how the rest of her is developed...she might look older.

As for Dark Silver, that's incredibly ambitious. We started our game with an target of 13 love interests and quickly found this unmanageable. It was going to take too long to develop the stories and the releases were going to be atrocious. Our goal is to have most of our game wrapped up by year end so we can move on the next one. So made the hard cut to 7.

I can't imagine juggling 30 characters.

some devs fall on that trap, they got interesting concepts but sometimes they get too ambitious and get swamped in their own ambition

I think a dev with a dedicated team could pull something like this off, DS was one of the few I think could do something like this, but there is no way to know how hard the patrons will leave their pledges now

and also, 30 characters with Female Protagonist, half of them probably male, so exciting! (not)

 

[JAmesbond234]

You don´t need a mac version, just download Ren´py and play. It works all Ren´py games, it´s free and really easy to use.

1) Download win-based RenPy game.
2) Then download the SDK:

You must be registered to see the links

(macOS Ren'Py SDK).
3) Run Ren'Py DMG, extract the files.
4) Unzip your game and then put it in Ren'Py folder.
5) Run Renpy.app, refresh your projects list, choose "GAME NAME" and then press "Launch Project".

HI could anyone help me with this, I have tried it but it does not seem to work for me