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In Spain the incest is not a forbidden behaviour. It's morality bad but not forbidden It's forbidden to marry between direct relatives (grandpas , parents, brothers, and children ), but the relationship is allowed if the persons are 18
. The exception is when the incest is with an under age person (18) or there is some kind of violence.
While this is fascinating, I don't have to be a legal historian to know that no one has ever won a case in a United States court of law with the argument, "but they can do it in Spain".
 
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.. This said, the amount of not tied to the topic subject message is staggering, as such, something should be done.
 

Blitqz

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PLEASE PLEASE do not close this thread!
With the DMD thread now gone from Patreon, we are the go-to DMD thread. What would happen if this thread were to be suspended? Players would spam it up everywhere (containment threads ; non-related threads ; PMs to moderators) searching for DMD news.
Sure, this thread can wander off-topic and get repetitive.
But I have been on this thread MORE than anybody else these last two months. This thread represents hope for DMD players. Nuking it would send completely the wrong signal to our community.
As long as the DMD project remains, I want this thread to remain.
I agree with this. And while there's a lot of Patreon talk, I think it helps the community air their opinions. And while not strictly DmD related, it is topical.

Add that once the releases begin to happen and DmD finds a place to land, this talk will disappear. Thus, it's productive for the time being.
 

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is there a compressed version of chapter 01? Because the link on mega it's more than 3 gigs:FeelsBadMan:
 

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PLEASE PLEASE do not close this thread!
With the DMD thread now gone from Patreon, we are the go-to DMD thread. What would happen if this thread were to be suspended? Players would spam it up everywhere (containment threads ; non-related threads ; PMs to moderators) searching for DMD news.
Sure, this thread can wander off-topic and get repetitive.
But I have been on this thread MORE than anybody else these last two months. This thread represents hope for DMD players. Nuking it would send completely the wrong signal to our community.
As long as the DMD project remains, I want this thread to remain.
You know I was thinking that 1 update per 8-10 weeks will be nice.This way we have chance to get 0.17+4 more versions untill the end of the year.
 

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Can someone explain to me why DMD and BB get banned from Patreon because of Incest eventhough there are hundreds of games that includes ''incest'' fetish? Is it because popularity? If yes then why not DoD as well?
 

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Can someone explain to me why DMD and BB get banned from Patreon because of Incest eventhough there are hundred of games that includes ''incest'' fetish? Is it because popularity? If yes then why now DoD as well?
I have a slight understanding. Incest content has not been banned per say but if a game is all incest content it will be. DoD changed the game as did MoTH so it is a lodger not related by blood. The game here is patched. BB and DmD just never changed it.
Patreon give an example on incest being allowed and that is Game of Thrones. Now my understanding is yes, there is incest in GoT but that incest is not the main focus of the story. It is a side arc that shows up rarely. While BB and DmD were pretty much incest. It can be part of a story just not the main focus of said game.
 
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Jeff Steel

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It seems obvious that the DMD dev-team is trying to stay on Patreon AND transition patrons away from DMD. If this new Patreon project flops, DMD can still be used again for a THIRD project.
If that's what it takes-- basically life-support--to keep DMD alive, I don't like it but it's obviously better than no DMD.
But if DMD goes the route of Malise and the Machine (tweaking older scenes, a few new renders, but NO fresh updates in more than a year)...
So, people who want less Patreon talk. For DMD to truly live again, I think it must do so away from Patreon. No more Patreon talk...

I would say to your suggestion for at least some future DMD updates--YES! OH YES!!
Hopefully the new project will be better over all than DMD, page for page and line for line, but the completed (hopefully - still working logistics) DMD will be “better” than the new project when compared side-by-side...if this all makes sense.
 
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Jeff Steel

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It does make sense to me.
For some of us, such as myself, DMD--and D!!--can't be replaced.
But the new project should be given a fair chance to succeed. There are quite a few tweaks available (especially Daz improvements) plus a more experienced dev-team.

btw, @Aitan_3 , gave the thread the name "Mel". Otherwise, he was even more coy than usual. The starlet stuff was a wild guess by a thread member. I'd NEVER request insider info from you, Jeff...
I was chatting (in f95zone space) with RomanHume, both of us apparently have heavy Dungeon and Dragon backgrounds. In my discussion with him, we both liked well drafted PCs and NPCs. In other words, who cares if someone has a 10th level paladin with a griffon mount. What’s more important is that person’s flaws and strengths - their hope and fears. What drives the character.

I can tell you that the quality of workmanship in the development phase is equal to the quality of product in the second half of chapter 1 of DMD and Chapter 2 - this is evident in the beginning of this new project. I come with a theater and film background, a film/theater overall structure is being discussed. Some of my inputs have a heavy image sequence suggested as opposed to just providing dialogue.

Characters flaws are being discussed as are character arcs related to those flaws.

There is some really good shit being bandied around. It should be really really good. I’m hoping it gets to breathtaking - and I’m just talking about the script.

Unfortunately, it’s not my call to talk about characters and plot - but hopefully the above will either leave you satisfied or drive you to further distraction. (If it leaves you blasé- then that would suck)
 

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I also studied theater (but gravitated towards writing) and art.
Dialogues are far less important in VNs because the visuals are too over-powering. Trying theatrical techniques to progress plot and character traits won't work with your target audience
(Film-school grad here) I don't know much about theatrical techniques per se, but cinematic (and comic-book) techniques grounded in montage theory seem easily applicable. As for dialogue, I don't think I can properly gauge how important it is, since I've only been reading VNs for a year or so, and most of the dialogue in VNs is, objectively, terrible on so many levels that it's hard to say exactly how important really well-written dialogue would be. But one thing I do think is that of no more than 30-35 words per comic-book panel is probably a good idea for VNs, too.
 
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Any chance mods can make a new thread for Mr Dots new game and move all discussion of it there?

Let this thread stay on topic of DmD

Seems like devs are shilling their new project on the carcass of DMD and with the news of it being on hold seems a bit crass
 

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hey guys, i am sorry if u have seen this question too many times, but can someone help me, my save file does not show when i want to bein chapter 2 what to do ?
 

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(Film-school grad here) I don't know much about theatrical techniques per se, but cinematic (and comic-book) techniques grounded in montage theory seem easily applicable. As for dialogue, I don't think I can properly gauge how important it is, since I've only been reading VNs for a year or so, and most of the dialogue in VNs is, objectively, terrible on so many levels that it's hard to say exactly how important really well-written dialogue would be. But one thing I do think is that of no more than 30-35 words per comic-book panel is probably a good idea for VNs, too.
Good point. I posted last month over in Patreon an observation that in DMD, eye fatigue for me in reading text started about the halfway mark of the computer screen. Any sentences longer than that, and for which I was not emotionally invested, often were not read fully - or were even skipped.

Thus my theory:
1 - if it is mundane (how was your day - I’m going to the store - etc) dialogue that moves the scene, but the reader has no emotional investment .... then keep it around half the computer screen or less in length;
2 - if I had an emotional investment causing me to read the whole line, then it could go the whole line, then okay (“Dad, Elena and I want to do a threesome with you up at the snow cabin on Saturday night, okay?”
3 - if it is super important, then keep it short as well. (“Dad, I’m pregnant...” [next panel] “...with your baby.”)
 

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hey guys, i am sorry if u have seen this question too many times, but can someone help me, my save file does not show when i want to bein chapter 2 what to do ?
You can try what I had to do and that is re-open chapter 1 and run the game from save to the very end where you see the end page before going to the main menu, or clicking to continue, open up chapter 2 and it should register and on chapter 2 you have to start a new game as it will then read your save and the decisions made on chapter 1
 
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Any chance mods can make a new thread for Mr Dots new game and move all discussion of it there?

Let this thread stay on topic of DmD

Seems like devs are shilling their new project on the carcass of DMD and with the news of it being on hold seems a bit crass
Patreon specifically said no DMD on Patreon, take it off; however, you can stay on Patreon with a new product.

MDots posted he really wants to finish DMD; there is no other site to post DMD in his research and opinion; therefore he picked a high quality second product for Patreon and continuing with development on DMD.

Fortunately, and if continues as planned, it means two products being developed; unfortunately, it means slower development for DMD.
 
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