Pantisocrat

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The whole kick has come from somewhere else. It reeks of a court order. Look at within 3 months new community guidelines where implamented and enforced vigoursly. This is pressure from Law enforcment or the ISP of the site who has spoken Law Enforcment.
If there was a court order, there would have been a prosecution, a suit of some kind would've been filed. I don't know much about American law, but even a private prosecution would surely have to be public record, and there are no Federal private prosecutions. I think we would have heard about it if Patreon had been taken to court, basically.

I'll say again that it's probably no coincidence that this came shortly after Patreon took a bunch of VC money. That money almost surely came with strings attached regarding monetisation strategy (hence the attempted fee restructuring late last year) and it's no stretch to think the investors tacked on "Kick out the weird kids" along with that.
 
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Francis8rock

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Yep, as you said, let's not jump on political argument, I shouldn't had even mentioned liberals and stuff, sorry. We're on a forum about fetish porn games after all.

Politics are a really hot and sensitive topic nowadays. Some think they (politics) are necessary (a necessary evil, if you will), others (like me) think they are useless and just hamper free society development.

Aaaaaanyway... Getting too political again, sorry.
No worries bud. I would imagine arguing porn politics would be like being in the 14th circle of hell. Like I said I just thought it was funny. Have a good one.
 

Francis8rock

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If there was a court order, there would have been a prosecution, a suit of some kind would've been filed. I don't know much about American law, but even a private prosecution would surely have to be public record, and there are no Federal private prosecutions. I think we would have heard about it if Patreon had been taken to court, basically.

I'll say again that it's probably no coincidence that this came shortly after Patreon took a bunch of VC money. That money almost surely came with strings attached regarding monetisation strategy (hence the attempted fee restructuring late last year) and it's no stretch to think the investors tacked on "Kick out the weird kids" along with that.

It is not that simple. There doesn't have to be a court order and it doesn't have to be public. A government agency could have hit them with subpoena compelling them to produce documents while simultaneously hitting them with a gag order. Like they did with Lavabit.



If that happened they can't say anything and they might be simply trying to expunge anything they may think will be damaging to them in the future.
 

blastwave2k

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definitely a sad turn, but all i gotta say is if MrDots is solid on at least finishing his game, i hope he goes balls to wall and puts everything and anything back into it that he originally planned or was forced to remove. unfortunately, Patreon creators now get to feel what YouTube creators did. their platform, their rules, and they WILL dictate what you can and cannot do. others in similar vein games, get your backup plans in place, or buckle to the content censorship. sucks hard for those that were making us great stuff. =/ i just hope his support doesnt dry up so badly that he folds up and disappears.
 

Pantisocrat

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It is not that simple. There doesn't have to be a court order and it doesn't have to be public. A government agency could have hit them with subpoena compelling them to produce documents while simultaneously hitting them with a gag order. Like they did with Lavabit.



If that happened they can't say anything and they might be simply trying to expunge anything they may think will be damaging to them in the future.
Right, but that's NSA stuff, that's spies and spooks and whatnot cracking down on encrypted email. This is cartoon porn. Unless there's some reason to think ISIS is using incest porn as a recruitment tool XD, it's fanciful to talk of gag orders and so forth (the reason for the gag order was to avoid spooking the users of the service, there's no comparable purpose here). I was working in the online gambling industry during , so I can tell you that gag orders and secret indictments etc are by no means the norm, the US DOJ can and will just declare open war on entire industries.
 

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Right, but that's NSA stuff, that's spies and spooks and whatnot cracking down on encrypted email. This is cartoon porn. Unless there's some reason to think ISIS is using incest porn as a recruitment tool XD, it's fanciful to talk of gag orders and so forth (the reason for the gag order was to avoid spooking the users of the service, there's no comparable purpose here). I was working in the online gambling industry during , so I can tell you that gag orders and secret indictments etc are by no means the norm, the US DOJ can and will just declare open war on entire industries.
I still feel Patreon’s actions are in line with their towing the line with merchant pay services. Merchant pay services require more money to handle adult transactions to cover the loss of income when someone claims their card was illegally used, etc. apparently that is more common with transactions and adult sites.

Thus Patreon negotiated with the merchant pay companies and Patreon restricted adult content to no link search from Patreon and nomshowing content to non patrons.

I think the further restriction on some adult content is a further extension of the merchant pay rules.
 

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In Spain the incest is not a forbidden behaviour. It's morality bad but not forbidden It's forbidden to marry between direct relatives (grandpas , parents, brothers, and children ), but the relationship is allowed if the persons are 18
. The exception is when the incest is with an under age person (18) or there is some kind of violence.
 

JAmesbond234

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Did you download the Ren'py SDK?

Get the Windows 0.16 game from the link in the first post. Unzip it. Put the folder in the renpy sdk folder. Launch renpy.app. DmD should show up under PROJECTS: on the left side. Select it. On the right side, click "Launch Project" to play, or if you want to make a Mac version, click "Build Distributions", then unclick everything but Macintosh x86_64, then click build. Open the zip file in the window that pops up, and you have a Mac version.
Thank you it worked
 
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RomanHume

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In Spain the incest is not a forbidden behaviour. It's morality bad but not forbidden It's forbidden to marry between direct relatives (grandpas , parents, brothers, and children ), but the relationship is allowed if the persons are 18
. The exception is when the incest is with an under age person (18) or there is some kind of violence.
While this is fascinating, I don't have to be a legal historian to know that no one has ever won a case in a United States court of law with the argument, "but they can do it in Spain".
 
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seden

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.. This said, the amount of not tied to the topic subject message is staggering, as such, something should be done.
 

Blitqz

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PLEASE PLEASE do not close this thread!
With the DMD thread now gone from Patreon, we are the go-to DMD thread. What would happen if this thread were to be suspended? Players would spam it up everywhere (containment threads ; non-related threads ; PMs to moderators) searching for DMD news.
Sure, this thread can wander off-topic and get repetitive.
But I have been on this thread MORE than anybody else these last two months. This thread represents hope for DMD players. Nuking it would send completely the wrong signal to our community.
As long as the DMD project remains, I want this thread to remain.
I agree with this. And while there's a lot of Patreon talk, I think it helps the community air their opinions. And while not strictly DmD related, it is topical.

Add that once the releases begin to happen and DmD finds a place to land, this talk will disappear. Thus, it's productive for the time being.
 

giantboss

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is there a compressed version of chapter 01? Because the link on mega it's more than 3 gigs:FeelsBadMan:
 

armion82

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PLEASE PLEASE do not close this thread!
With the DMD thread now gone from Patreon, we are the go-to DMD thread. What would happen if this thread were to be suspended? Players would spam it up everywhere (containment threads ; non-related threads ; PMs to moderators) searching for DMD news.
Sure, this thread can wander off-topic and get repetitive.
But I have been on this thread MORE than anybody else these last two months. This thread represents hope for DMD players. Nuking it would send completely the wrong signal to our community.
As long as the DMD project remains, I want this thread to remain.
You know I was thinking that 1 update per 8-10 weeks will be nice.This way we have chance to get 0.17+4 more versions untill the end of the year.
 

RedGlow

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Can someone explain to me why DMD and BB get banned from Patreon because of Incest eventhough there are hundreds of games that includes ''incest'' fetish? Is it because popularity? If yes then why not DoD as well?
 

SolarEclipsed

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Can someone explain to me why DMD and BB get banned from Patreon because of Incest eventhough there are hundred of games that includes ''incest'' fetish? Is it because popularity? If yes then why now DoD as well?
I have a slight understanding. Incest content has not been banned per say but if a game is all incest content it will be. DoD changed the game as did MoTH so it is a lodger not related by blood. The game here is patched. BB and DmD just never changed it.
Patreon give an example on incest being allowed and that is Game of Thrones. Now my understanding is yes, there is incest in GoT but that incest is not the main focus of the story. It is a side arc that shows up rarely. While BB and DmD were pretty much incest. It can be part of a story just not the main focus of said game.
 
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Jeff Steel

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It seems obvious that the DMD dev-team is trying to stay on Patreon AND transition patrons away from DMD. If this new Patreon project flops, DMD can still be used again for a THIRD project.
If that's what it takes-- basically life-support--to keep DMD alive, I don't like it but it's obviously better than no DMD.
But if DMD goes the route of Malise and the Machine (tweaking older scenes, a few new renders, but NO fresh updates in more than a year)...
So, people who want less Patreon talk. For DMD to truly live again, I think it must do so away from Patreon. No more Patreon talk...

I would say to your suggestion for at least some future DMD updates--YES! OH YES!!
Hopefully the new project will be better over all than DMD, page for page and line for line, but the completed (hopefully - still working logistics) DMD will be “better” than the new project when compared side-by-side...if this all makes sense.
 
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