VN Ren'Py Completed Dating My Daughter [Ch. 1-4 v1.01] [MrDots Games]

[Jeff Steel]

This new project is going to be a tough sell. MrDots is removing the F/D relationship but otherwise the MC is still an older man romancing younger lovelies.
The HUGE problem is that in DMD, there were many apologists for the early (up to 0.5) slow-burn because crossing the incest barrier may well be very difficult.
Without the incest barrier, and planning an even slower burn--and with Patreon having editorial/censor privileges!--the only hope for the dev-team is to come up with such great models that patrons stick around.

It will be a faster burn. (Lol, hard to get a burn slower than DMD).

 

[Jeff Steel]

You forgot modest! You're the most modest person you, or anyone else, knows! :coldsweat:

Only Trump is more modest than I am.

 

[Delmach]

I'm not saying it is a courtroom, I'm saying if anyone had a problem with how Patreon operated (if they allowed "not-exactly-incest" content), Patreon could pretty much shrug it off without having to worry about public backlash, which is why I find this 'interesting': If Patreon was fully profit oriented, they'd likely just ask to remove/change incest content only (i.e. change "daughter" to "step-daughter"), they could allow "restoration patches" to circulate (strictly outside of Patreon), and as for public opinion, they could save face by stating "we do not allow incest, period".

If you are right and they can do pretty much whatever they want, then the only reason I can think of as to why they would nuke "not-incest" content is because of their personal preferences, which they seem to value more than profit.
Maybe removing actual incest *is* a good business decision, you are right about that, but entirely nuking everything that was or is, in any way, related to incest? It is most definitely not a decision that'll end in more profit or better reputation.
Not because "boo-hoo, we incest lovers can't have our fun", but because this decision says "whatever business you have, it is not safe on Patreon as they can just fuck you over on a whim".

The thing is, we also heard from a case that they are indeed, as stated with Game of Thrones, not completly nuking incest and everything related. Because from a recent case we heard this:


"Well, I just talked to @Boomatica and the reason why he got shut down was someone reporting him after seeing pictures of Chloe.
Boomatica spoke with Patreon. They said Chloe was looking a bit young but overall they're ok with the incest theme as long as you don't advertise it. Boomatica is removing all pictures/animations of Chloe and all posts mentioning mother/sister from his site and he will be up pretty soon."


Now, what to take from that? That they might be true to their word, or maybe as someone else in that thread said:

"This backs up my theory that the agents reviewing content aren't given solid instructions on what exactly the TOS actually means. Simultaneously distressing and relieving."

who really knows, maybe its like you said, because they actually have preferences and standard over profit (gasp!)

Sadly in the case of DmD he probably poked the hornets nest too often with his own page and own solution to restore banned content, both on the playground they "own".

 

[Ragnar]

Yeah, If you want to play the Patreon game, money, you will have to bend over, so that means zero incest, zero rape, and so on. But from a fan/follower of DmD perspective things may look different.
You have been following and supporting a project/developer with your income for more than a year, and now said dev seem to be more preoccupied of maintaining his Patrein page alive than to keep his old project alive, I can see the situation backfiring at Mr.Dots easily.
Yeah, I get it, It's hard to say goodbye to your good monthly check, but on the other hand you could end having a piss off fanbase, the ones paying you in the first place, not Patreon.
Let's see how DmD evolves after this month.

 

[DavidTurner]

Can we open a separate thread for the ins and outs of patreon rules and focus specifically on DMD here?

 

[DavidTurner]

So where/when is he releasing 0.16.5? I know 0.17 will be on feb 14th

 

[atlas114]

did you read MrDots post on it? it was 1-2 pages back.

16.5 should be out this week (i’m thinking Friday)

 

[DavidTurner]

I skimmed, i must have missed it, thanks atlas, sorry

 

[Wookie]

Sorry if this has been answered, but I haven't seen it anywhere.
The release date of 0.17 is 14 Feb, but I haven't seen anything about WHERE it will be released and/or how it will be funded?
Any ideas please?

 

[Deleted member 219719]

who really knows, maybe its like you said, because they actually have preferences and standard over profit (gasp!)

You know, that ONE time you'd actually want a company to focus on profit but then they go and grow a conscious...

I'm saddened I can't see any way it would end well for DMD.

 

[gestved]

his new game will be male protagonist, so no worries, I'll play it as well, I'm sure it will be good

the setting looks quite similar to DmD as well, way better than what dark silver is doing releasing a completely different game of the one that brought the success he had, it's just a huge risk. Mr Dots is playing safe and is playing right

 

[DavidTurner]

I just cant wait for this and 0.17, saddened to see it on hold

 

[minombrehota]

Those sites do not offer short updates but rather full games, most of the time thoroughly tested with no bugs before being released. Quality might have fallen off last year of so, but for 20 bucks, you can play dozens of games, most of them very good.

Most of the dozens of games are indistinguishable from all their other games. A lot are just plain god awful grind fests with little to no payout. They've been making these games for years and people were dumb enough to pay them for it. That's the only reason why they have such a big library. When one of your hotly anticipated game takes two years to come out and can be finished in an hour, with no sign of future expansions, you've wasted people's time. This is why their subscriber count is dwindling. Their sense of quality is virtually gone just so they can continue making the same game over and over again. They don't listen to fans and narrow their goals. They plan for the future but have no plans for the present. You come out with a mediocre game like Snake Valley when all your followers have been asking for LwT2, don't be surprised when the cash flow starts to dwindle.

DMD offers something new in the adult game world. Gone are the days where the female characters looked almost the same. No more lame stories and one dimensional male characters. No more "everyone wants to sleep with everyone" nonsense. DMD offers new character types and models. It gives you a story that can be taken multiple different ways. MrDots also offers and delivers on monthly updates that will keep the fans coming back and draw in those disgruntled many who are tired of waiting for a game a year and a half out. Sometimes it's not always about a game being complete, it's about the journey. That's part of the reason why DMD and BB are such hits.

If MrDots and all the other devs that got booted from Patreon, they should join together to make a single pay-site like S&G/LOP, they could be the next big thing in the adult game world. Even alone, MrDots can garner enough revenue to continue making DMD. I'm even sure that by doing so, he and his team would make more money than before and can make DMD bigger than originally anticipated. These devs shouldn't think about Patreon or Drip. These are small compared to what LOP and S&G have under their belt. They should make their own site, loyal followers like myself will follow them and will be more than willing to pay $20 a month. It's honestly more logical to make a pay-site for MrDots Games than it is to make a new game to please Patreon while slowly working on your money maker.

 

[thanatos69]

Don't blame the devs for their decisions. Blame the market for not supplying them with good Patreon alternatives. Have you seen the new MakerSupport TOS? They're way more restrictive than Patreon. Until adult-focused crowdfunding services start popping up, we'll have to deal with these cancelations/projects getting put on hold.

 

[Jeff Steel]

Jeff, it was announced as a slower burn. Plus, your Patreon editor may have a drag on the progression...

Well - to be fair, he posted:

• It will be a VN, just like DMD. A romantic, slow corruption VN.

It still appears on the development end to be a faster track.

 

[j4yj4m]

Don't blame the devs for their decisions. Blame the market for not supplying them with good Patreon alternatives. Have you seen the new MakerSupport TOS? They're way more restrictive than Patreon. Until adult-focused crowdfunding services start popping up, we'll have to deal with these cancelations/projects getting put on hold.

Well, as far as I'm aware it's not even really about pages like patreon, makersupport etc. themselves but about their payment providers like for example paypal who will enforce their terms of service. Founding an adult focused crowdfunding service wouldn't be the problem but it would run into the same issues as patreon does now, as soon as it would allow incest, rape, necrophilia etc. to be shown.
Thus the problem reaches far deeper than simply replacing patreon since you'd likely have to find a working payment system aswell which is a lot harder.

 

[Kane Salvatore]

hmm.. small idea.. not sure if it'd work for the devs.. but

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.. not sure if you'd be able to make the free content of the games the demo but you'd be able to link to your site while making the 'patreon' content what is purchased (maybe in more then one page) .. and

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is kind of a PITA to navigate but would offer free and purchasable as well, and the navigation isn't a problem if you post links on your on site or here.. just an idea..

edit: dlsite is japanese, don't think they care what is posted on their site

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[BoykaBoykov]

0.17 Spoiler

 

[Kid07]

Really hope they don't update too slow. Too much porn out there in world wide web. People lose interest pretty fast, I gave up supporting "Something unlimited", "StudioFow" and "Jab Comixs". They just need way to long for there releases...
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[bacchusplateau]

I'm not saying it is a courtroom, I'm saying if anyone had a problem with how Patreon operated (if they allowed "not-exactly-incest" content), Patreon could pretty much shrug it off without having to worry about public backlash, which is why I find this 'interesting': If Patreon was fully profit oriented, they'd likely just ask to remove/change incest content only (i.e. change "daughter" to "step-daughter"), they could allow "restoration patches" to circulate (strictly outside of Patreon), and as for public opinion, they could save face by stating "we do not allow incest, period".

If you are right and they can do pretty much whatever they want, then the only reason I can think of as to why they would nuke "not-incest" content is because of their personal preferences, which they seem to value more than profit.
Maybe removing actual incest *is* a good business decision, you are right about that, but entirely nuking everything that was or is, in any way, related to incest? It is most definitely not a decision that'll end in more profit or better reputation.
Not because "boo-hoo, we incest lovers can't have our fun", but because this decision says "whatever business you have, it is not safe on Patreon as they can just fuck you over on a whim".

Thoughtful which I enjoyed reading. Not much to add, but I would suggest that if I'm right about a person(s) reporting these devs, and not just content on the Patreon site itself but devs activities elsewhere on the web, then maybe Patreon has a fear(?) that this might come back to haunt them if they don't do something about it? I hear you about trying to enforce Patreon rules outside of Patreon, and how it could be a bad business model, but me thinks that Patreon has taken this in account and feel that this will be better in the long run. After all, it's not just porn developers being targeted and shown the door. From my readings on the web, seems like right wing pages are being targeted, and not just Patreon, but on YouTube. If I remember correctly, Patreon is based in San Fransico, California it could be a legal hot potato - yes, yes, I am well aware I am the one who brought up that what Patreon does isn't a courtroom, but now I'm suggesting legal ramifications - if the appearance of not doing anything about incest, rape, loli, etc on their site, even if the certain taboos are on other sites, public relations can go South if their 'holy, pristine' name gets dragged along with the taboo fetishes. Especially if the 'rats' who inform Patreon of these transgressions try to get combative and point out the hypocracy of Patreon of not doing all that they could have. I understand that this 'guilt by association' might seem far fetched, but when your entire business model can go up in smoke, paranoia might be the word of the day.

My thoughts above are not facts, but my musings as to why Patreon is acting as they are now. I wouldn't be surprised if Patreon tries to dump all adult content as revenue streams from other places become more profitable and sustainable. I'm looking at you YouTube creators! Anyway, I am just guessing, but I do agree with you that it is interesting as to what is happening and as to the whys it is happening.

Keep thinking!