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Well - to be fair, he posted:
- It will be a VN, just like DMD. A romantic, slow corruption VN.
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Well, as far as I'm aware it's not even really about pages like patreon, makersupport etc. themselves but about their payment providers like for example paypal who will enforce their terms of service. Founding an adult focused crowdfunding service wouldn't be the problem but it would run into the same issues as patreon does now, as soon as it would allow incest, rape, necrophilia etc. to be shown.
Thus the problem reaches far deeper than simply replacing patreon since you'd likely have to find a working payment system aswell which is a lot harder.
- Jan 2, 2018
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hmm.. small idea.. not sure if it'd work for the devs.. but
edit: dlsite is japanese, don't think they care what is posted on their site
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.. not sure if you'd be able to make the free content of the games the demo but you'd be able to link to your site while making the 'patreon' content what is purchased (maybe in more then one page) .. and
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is kind of a PITA to navigate but would offer free and purchasable as well, and the navigation isn't a problem if you post links on your on site or here.. just an idea..edit: dlsite is japanese, don't think they care what is posted on their site
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Really hope they don't update too slow. Too much porn out there in world wide web. People lose interest pretty fast, I gave up supporting "Something unlimited", "StudioFow" and "Jab Comixs". They just need way to long for there releases...
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- May 23, 2017
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Thoughtful which I enjoyed reading. Not much to add, but I would suggest that if I'm right about a person(s) reporting these devs, and not just content on the Patreon site itself but devs activities elsewhere on the web, then maybe Patreon has a fear(?) that this might come back to haunt them if they don't do something about it? I hear you about trying to enforce Patreon rules outside of Patreon, and how it could be a bad business model, but me thinks that Patreon has taken this in account and feel that this will be better in the long run. After all, it's not just porn developers being targeted and shown the door. From my readings on the web, seems like right wing pages are being targeted, and not just Patreon, but on YouTube. If I remember correctly, Patreon is based in San Fransico, California it could be a legal hot potato - yes, yes, I am well aware I am the one who brought up that what Patreon does isn't a courtroom, but now I'm suggesting legal ramifications - if the appearance of not doing anything about incest, rape, loli, etc on their site, even if the certain taboos are on other sites, public relations can go South if their 'holy, pristine' name gets dragged along with the taboo fetishes. Especially if the 'rats' who inform Patreon of these transgressions try to get combative and point out the hypocracy of Patreon of not doing all that they could have. I understand that this 'guilt by association' might seem far fetched, but when your entire business model can go up in smoke, paranoia might be the word of the day.
My thoughts above are not facts, but my musings as to why Patreon is acting as they are now. I wouldn't be surprised if Patreon tries to dump all adult content as revenue streams from other places become more profitable and sustainable. I'm looking at you YouTube creators! Anyway, I am just guessing, but I do agree with you that it is interesting as to what is happening and as to the whys it is happening.
Keep thinking!
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Is it just me or is getting a triple blowjob seemingly a little too fast-paced for this story?
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I already stated that their quality has fallen off (which is visible by their dwindling subscriber base) but there is no way that DMD alone can generate $20 a month, especially if they continue that "slow burn" that many see as milking. $5 a month would me more realistic.
In this case we are not talking about supporting some amateur indie developer on Patreon but rather buying polished commercial product.
Few successful developer joining their forces would be entirely different story as you would have multiple games but that would create other problems:
1. How to divide the money
2. Some developers may start experiencing problems with their games (falling behind on their updates or just crank out small amount of content to meet deadlines) This would quickly generate discontent among developers.
3. How many people can afford $20-30 a months as most Patrons are $5-10 level and all of those developers will want their share.
More realistic scenario is selling completed game.
I had absolutely no intention to bash your post but rather to point out difficulties in finding other viable platform besides Patreon. As a matter of fact, I discussed this issue with few developers. All of them told me that creating website to host the game was very easy and that their major concern was billing. That's why, all of these guys are reluctant to leave Patreon.
In this case we are not talking about supporting some amateur indie developer on Patreon but rather buying polished commercial product.
Few successful developer joining their forces would be entirely different story as you would have multiple games but that would create other problems:
1. How to divide the money
2. Some developers may start experiencing problems with their games (falling behind on their updates or just crank out small amount of content to meet deadlines) This would quickly generate discontent among developers.
3. How many people can afford $20-30 a months as most Patrons are $5-10 level and all of those developers will want their share.
More realistic scenario is selling completed game.
I had absolutely no intention to bash your post but rather to point out difficulties in finding other viable platform besides Patreon. As a matter of fact, I discussed this issue with few developers. All of them told me that creating website to host the game was very easy and that their major concern was billing. That's why, all of these guys are reluctant to leave Patreon.
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I assume that these pledges will only relate to his new project.
How will he fund DMD going forward? Any idea?
Well, public relations is kind of a war, probably the easiest way to harm business. Think of false rape accusations turning lives upside down and not just career-wise, if someone really wants to drag Patreon through dirt, even a made-up story will do some damage.
I do not know what exactly is going on, what is true and what isn't, but I hear a lot of things, much of which is contradictory. I.e. that "de-incesting" the content did work for other games, and the reason Dots was given this "remove DMD" ultimatum is because he did the opposite; he included the "de-incesting" patch in the game and essentially told people to delete it, which means incest content *was* present on Patreon still, it was just hidden, regardless that's against the rules. Maybe they took the piss, I don't know, but it seems they do not fear people will associate an off-site patch with them, so long there isn't proof of a link between them. But as I also heard there is still some incestuous content on their site which Patreon devs themselves OK'd, so...yep, either I'm getting untrue information, or Patreon's hands don't know what the head wants, and the head doesn't even know about the fingers.
Holy shit that's promising. Quoted because this signal needs boosting.
I can understand this. I think it's good that they have not closed the book on DmD and will slowly bring about updates. I understand that at this point there are no other alternatives available for at least the next few months.
I think the point of another story is just to keep money coming and making a living. I don't think he's got a choice on that.
Personally, if I were to close the book on the DmD VN, I'd still use D as the protagonist for the next one, and make it about her adventures and world travels. But since that book is not closed, using her isn't an option. But again, that's just me.
I can also see that getting banned from Patreon at this point just isn't a good idea as there just really isn't any alternative for him, and esp since it seems like PayPal might also be one of the censorship issues, and since other options seem to reside outside the US, and issues of content creation ownership, etc..., he just doesn't have a lot of options.
Side thought on this: Could he start setting up foreign bank accounts, like maybe a swiss or Cayman and begin to work there and be able to use some of the outside the US options? But that might also fuck with the people who donating to him and as thus not an option? At least it's worth exploring.
I think the point of another story is just to keep money coming and making a living. I don't think he's got a choice on that.
Personally, if I were to close the book on the DmD VN, I'd still use D as the protagonist for the next one, and make it about her adventures and world travels. But since that book is not closed, using her isn't an option. But again, that's just me.
I can also see that getting banned from Patreon at this point just isn't a good idea as there just really isn't any alternative for him, and esp since it seems like PayPal might also be one of the censorship issues, and since other options seem to reside outside the US, and issues of content creation ownership, etc..., he just doesn't have a lot of options.
Side thought on this: Could he start setting up foreign bank accounts, like maybe a swiss or Cayman and begin to work there and be able to use some of the outside the US options? But that might also fuck with the people who donating to him and as thus not an option? At least it's worth exploring.
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This whole patreon rule is total bs. We're talking about a video game with fictional characters made by computer graphics, not real footage or images from a real family doing incest. Somehow is totally okay to have video game where you kill thousands of people, but how dare you to make one with incest.
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Indeed, if he say publicly that the devellopment of DmD is still ongoing (-not using) the money (who go -only to the new casher game).
Given informations, its early but there is basis as to think it might -not go that way.
That said, does anyone know of tracked we are here ?
*whistle*
-happily
Given informations, its early but there is basis as to think it might -not go that way.
That said, does anyone know of tracked we are here ?
*whistle*
-happily
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To start, I agree with you on most counts. Currently, MrDots has 3607 subscribers. Of that let's say a hundred leave giving us about 3500 subscribers. At $5-$10 a month you're looking at roughly $17,500-$35,000. Assuming he has a day job, that seems like a fair amount to continue working on this game. MrDots can set up his pay-site ALONE with a Patreon style subscription system. You need to provide your email when you subscribe anyways, give a minimum of $5 but if you give more, you get Patreon-esque benefits. The game doesn't have to be complete as this is what drove fans from LOP and S&G, the wait is what killed them. MrDots can continue as he is now, an update once per month, but without Patreon TOS, he can make this game as dirty or as tame as he wants.
In regards to "selling a completed game", DMD Ch.1 is already complete, with a few hours of repeated gameplay considering the multiple ways you can take the game. Ch.2 is gaining more exposure daily, not only because of the story & content but also because of the intrigue brought when Patreon banned it for being risque. A lot of people will commit to this game and donate allowing MrDots and team to build this game out and make it bigger and better. By the end of this year, he'll have TWO finished games with Ch.3 either starting sometime in Q4 or early in Q1 next year. By then, with two complete games, people will see his consistency with releasing a monthly update, he'll gain more traction which means more money, which will lead to him and his team being able to start a second game while working on Ch.3.
Regarding Pay Pal's TOS, don't use Pay Pal. Use CC Bill like LOP/S&G. Use Google Wallet, Stripe, Venmo, etc. A little research on Pay Pal alternatives yields multiple different options. Most of these alternatives have a $25/month fee. That's a measly $300 a year. Keeping the site up and running, let's say another $300. Making this shift from Patreon to a self owned pay-site will be rough for the first initial year but with MrDots' ever growing popularity, his monthly updates, and the quality of his game, every year following will get better so long as he keeps doing what he's doing.
This honestly isn't as difficult as most people are making it seem.
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Most of it does seem right, but you forgot one thing, the human factor. Lets be honest, acting only when things are getting worse and not before isnt really uncommon. And to translate it to this case, creators dont want to try a big change yet, only when the supporters start dropping like flies. So far I only seen a bit of rebellious attitude, but theres no real fight, not seen it with any creator.
And its of course understandable, most cling to the hopes that new, complying games still work with the people that supported before, or they went the patch route, which so far seems reliable, and I can only hope that at least future creators set it up this way instead of completly abandoning everything.
Also most people are too comfortable with the present systems to even consider charging/paying for finished games, not having different tiers of subscribers, not having automatic monthly subscriptions, and of course not having Paypal. Even one of those things can be a dealbreaker for some already, now take a mix of them. This can be said for both groups of course, supporter and creator. Its basically the same old story of "how bad do things have to go before the real changes happen" in which case most was seen so far is, well, people complying, one way or another.
Edit: dont want to end it with that bleak outlook, so lets just hope one of the options, be it self-reliant creators with own websites, or one of already existing similiar websites, or one of the new announced ones can take over. Because one thing is for sure, theres money to be made, and thats why things might not look too grim, because thats the one motivator for many things to happen.
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I’m going to presume you’ve not read MrDots’ post on his official site earlier today (posted a couple of pages back on this thread), where a brand new project is already in the works, and it even states on his patreon wall that it’s “Coming Soon”.
I suspect there will be a preview for this very soon, which is great news on top of finding out a release date for v17.
A little actual research on this doesn’t hurt you know?
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Running a site like Patreon is a full time job. Anyone who owns or has owned a business will tell truthfully the business runs you. I had an artist once tell me you can't be an artist and teach art too, time management is impossible.
If Mr.Dots set up his own site believe me he and his team would spend more time an money running a single game site than it would be worth AND there would be zero time to create quality DMD updates.
I hate what is happening but until a third party steps up its not feasible. I already talked to my IT guy, and he has worked on a lot of start ups. a lot of capital is needed and go fund me to set up a digital taboo porn site probably won't get enough donors. sorry but this will take time until an established site takes on this new cash cow.
If Mr.Dots set up his own site believe me he and his team would spend more time an money running a single game site than it would be worth AND there would be zero time to create quality DMD updates.
I hate what is happening but until a third party steps up its not feasible. I already talked to my IT guy, and he has worked on a lot of start ups. a lot of capital is needed and go fund me to set up a digital taboo porn site probably won't get enough donors. sorry but this will take time until an established site takes on this new cash cow.