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Most of the dozens of games are indistinguishable from all their other games. A lot are just plain god awful grind fests with little to no payout. They've been making these games for years and people were dumb enough to pay them for it. That's the only reason why they have such a big library. When one of your hotly anticipated game takes two years to come out and can be finished in an hour, with no sign of future expansions, you've wasted people's time. This is why their subscriber count is dwindling. Their sense of quality is virtually gone just so they can continue making the same game over and over again. They don't listen to fans and narrow their goals. They plan for the future but have no plans for the present. You come out with a mediocre game like Snake Valley when all your followers have been asking for LwT2, don't be surprised when the cash flow starts to dwindle.Those sites do not offer short updates but rather full games, most of the time thoroughly tested with no bugs before being released. Quality might have fallen off last year of so, but for 20 bucks, you can play dozens of games, most of them very good.
Well - to be fair, he posted:Jeff, it was announced as a slower burn. Plus, your Patreon editor may have a drag on the progression...
Well, as far as I'm aware it's not even really about pages like patreon, makersupport etc. themselves but about their payment providers like for example paypal who will enforce their terms of service. Founding an adult focused crowdfunding service wouldn't be the problem but it would run into the same issues as patreon does now, as soon as it would allow incest, rape, necrophilia etc. to be shown.Don't blame the devs for their decisions. Blame the market for not supplying them with good Patreon alternatives. Have you seen the new MakerSupport TOS? They're way more restrictive than Patreon. Until adult-focused crowdfunding services start popping up, we'll have to deal with these cancelations/projects getting put on hold.
Thoughtful which I enjoyed reading. Not much to add, but I would suggest that if I'm right about a person(s) reporting these devs, and not just content on the Patreon site itself but devs activities elsewhere on the web, then maybe Patreon has a fear(?) that this might come back to haunt them if they don't do something about it? I hear you about trying to enforce Patreon rules outside of Patreon, and how it could be a bad business model, but me thinks that Patreon has taken this in account and feel that this will be better in the long run. After all, it's not just porn developers being targeted and shown the door. From my readings on the web, seems like right wing pages are being targeted, and not just Patreon, but on YouTube. If I remember correctly, Patreon is based in San Fransico, California it could be a legal hot potato - yes, yes, I am well aware I am the one who brought up that what Patreon does isn't a courtroom, but now I'm suggesting legal ramifications - if the appearance of not doing anything about incest, rape, loli, etc on their site, even if the certain taboos are on other sites, public relations can go South if their 'holy, pristine' name gets dragged along with the taboo fetishes. Especially if the 'rats' who inform Patreon of these transgressions try to get combative and point out the hypocracy of Patreon of not doing all that they could have. I understand that this 'guilt by association' might seem far fetched, but when your entire business model can go up in smoke, paranoia might be the word of the day.I'm not saying it is a courtroom, I'm saying if anyone had a problem with how Patreon operated (if they allowed "not-exactly-incest" content), Patreon could pretty much shrug it off without having to worry about public backlash, which is why I find this 'interesting': If Patreon was fully profit oriented, they'd likely just ask to remove/change incest content only (i.e. change "daughter" to "step-daughter"), they could allow "restoration patches" to circulate (strictly outside of Patreon), and as for public opinion, they could save face by stating "we do not allow incest, period".
If you are right and they can do pretty much whatever they want, then the only reason I can think of as to why they would nuke "not-incest" content is because of their personal preferences, which they seem to value more than profit.
Maybe removing actual incest *is* a good business decision, you are right about that, but entirely nuking everything that was or is, in any way, related to incest? It is most definitely not a decision that'll end in more profit or better reputation.
Not because "boo-hoo, we incest lovers can't have our fun", but because this decision says "whatever business you have, it is not safe on Patreon as they can just fuck you over on a whim".
absolutelyPart of 0.14 Achievements gallery.
That gallery, along with the recent x-mas gallery are my fav DMD galleries.
I assume that these pledges will only relate to his new project.Regular Patreon pledging resumes March 1.
Well, public relations is kind of a war, probably the easiest way to harm business. Think of false rape accusations turning lives upside down and not just career-wise, if someone really wants to drag Patreon through dirt, even a made-up story will do some damage.Thoughtful which I enjoyed reading. Not much to add, but I would suggest that if I'm right about a person(s) reporting these devs, and not just content on the Patreon site itself but devs activities elsewhere on the web, then maybe Patreon has a fear(?) that this might come back to haunt them if they don't do something about it? I hear you about trying to enforce Patreon rules outside of Patreon, and how it could be a bad business model, but me thinks that Patreon has taken this in account and feel that this will be better in the long run. After all, it's not just porn developers being targeted and shown the door. From my readings on the web, seems like right wing pages are being targeted, and not just Patreon, but on YouTube. If I remember correctly, Patreon is based in San Fransico, California it could be a legal hot potato - yes, yes, I am well aware I am the one who brought up that what Patreon does isn't a courtroom, but now I'm suggesting legal ramifications - if the appearance of not doing anything about incest, rape, loli, etc on their site, even if the certain taboos are on other sites, public relations can go South if their 'holy, pristine' name gets dragged along with the taboo fetishes. Especially if the 'rats' who inform Patreon of these transgressions try to get combative and point out the hypocracy of Patreon of not doing all that they could have. I understand that this 'guilt by association' might seem far fetched, but when your entire business model can go up in smoke, paranoia might be the word of the day.
My thoughts above are not facts, but my musings as to why Patreon is acting as they are now. I wouldn't be surprised if Patreon tries to dump all adult content as revenue streams from other places become more profitable and sustainable. I'm looking at you YouTube creators! Anyway, I am just guessing, but I do agree with you that it is interesting as to what is happening and as to the whys it is happening.
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Holy shit that's promising. Quoted because this signal needs boosting.I don't go back in all the previous post, so I don't know if this have already been posted, but we might have an alternative to patreon in a few months.
To start, I agree with you on most counts. Currently, MrDots has 3607 subscribers. Of that let's say a hundred leave giving us about 3500 subscribers. At $5-$10 a month you're looking at roughly $17,500-$35,000. Assuming he has a day job, that seems like a fair amount to continue working on this game. MrDots can set up his pay-site ALONE with a Patreon style subscription system. You need to provide your email when you subscribe anyways, give a minimum of $5 but if you give more, you get Patreon-esque benefits. The game doesn't have to be complete as this is what drove fans from LOP and S&G, the wait is what killed them. MrDots can continue as he is now, an update once per month, but without Patreon TOS, he can make this game as dirty or as tame as he wants.I already stated that their quality has fallen off (which is visible by their dwindling subscriber base) but there is no way that DMD alone can generate $20 a month, especially if they continue that "slow burn" that many see as milking. $5 a month would me more realistic.
In this case we are not talking about supporting some amateur indie developer on Patreon but rather buying polished commercial product.
Few successful developer joining their forces would be entirely different story as you would have multiple games but that would create other problems:
1. How to divide the money
2. Some developers may start experiencing problems with their games (falling behind on their updates or just crank out small amount of content to meet deadlines) This would quickly generate discontent among developers.
3. How many people can afford $20-30 a months as most Patrons are $5-10 level and all of those developers will want their share.
More realistic scenario is selling completed game.
I had absolutely no intention to bash your post but rather to point out difficulties in finding other viable platform besides Patreon. As a matter of fact, I discussed this issue with few developers. All of them told me that creating website to host the game was very easy and that their major concern was billing. That's why, all of these guys are reluctant to leave Patreon.