VN Ren'Py Completed Dating My Daughter [Ch. 1-4 v1.01] [MrDots Games]

[SikaNauta]

You know, that ONE time you'd actually want a company to focus on profit but then they go and grow a conscious...

Maybe, but if we assume that DMD was generating about 25k$ per month then Patreon's cut of that would be 1250$, i.e. peanuts. They just got 50 million in investment money, with plenty more to come and a possible IPO in the future. That's a hell of an incentive to purge any project that has a faint chance of causing even minor negative PR.

I'm saddened I can't see any way it would end well for DMD.

I'm somewhat pessimistic as well. Even MrDots's recent posts get my spider-sense tingling. First it's "DMD will be finished no matter what" and then "We will start focusing our energy on the new project after we release v.17.". I'm not trying to blame anyone, far from it, I don't know the situation they're in and for the developer it's their job at stake here. Compared to that what some random fat bastard like me thinks about that, or feels entitled to, doesn't really matter.

 

[Creeping Death]

I don't really see a problem with keeping up the work on DmD. Okay, slower, so what, as long as it's going forward. They already got a domain and hompage for the game,

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. The release date for 0.17 is announced on it and also a download link added. Now adding a user registration system and an alternative payment method, et voilà! In times of Wordpress, Joomla this should'nt be a problem. Only a matter of will?!

 

[pil1]

Is sex possible with Daughter in general?

 

[slackster]

I’m going to presume you’ve not read MrDots’ post on his official site earlier today (posted a couple of pages back on this thread), where a brand new project is already in the works, and it even states on his patreon wall that it’s “Coming Soon”.
I suspect there will be a preview for this very soon, which is great news on top of finding out a release date for v17.

A little actual research on this doesn’t hurt you know?

Actions will speak louder than any words on a website ever will

As has been noted if MrDots updates with DmD slow to a crawl don't be surprised if his donations to his new game follow, for who is to say he won't abandon that if that too runs into difficulty leaving another unfinished game to his resume.

DmD made MrDots- I hope he finds a way to finish the story in the next 12 months

 

[j4yj4m]

I'm somewhat pessimistic as well. Even MrDots's recent posts get my spider-sense tingling. First it's "DMD will be finished no matter what" and then "We will start focusing our energy on the new project after we release v.17.". I'm not trying to blame anyone, far from it, I don't know the situation they're in and for the developer it's their job at stake here. Compared to that what some random fat bastard like me thinks about that, or feels entitled to, doesn't really matter.

Even though I agree with you, it does indeed make sense to focus on the new project because that has to be at least good enough to be sustainable. Most new games struggle a lot in their first 3 to 6 months and prolonging that peroid doesn't seem like a good idea to me.

I do expect DMD to become a side project unless Mr. Dots really finds a way to properly monetize it again. That said it's of course a great side project if he manages to somehow advertise it correctly.

I don't really see a problem with keeping up the work on DmD. Okay, slower, so what, as long as it's going forward. They already got a domain and hompage for the game,

You must be registered to see the links

. The release date for 0.17 is announced on it and also a download link added. Now adding a user registration system and an alternative payment method, et voilà! In times of Wordpress, Joomla this should'nt be a problem. Only a matter of will?!

Well, the problem starts with the additional work and the payment. A lot of those problems patreon is in now seem to result in payment providers who don't want to be used for this kind of incest, rape, [...] content (like paypal etc.) and it seems to be very hard to get alternative systems.

Let's not fool each other: A lot of people pledge on patreon because it's very easy, safe and it works. But if you've got to use some "obscure" third party payment system which you'll have to set up just to give some money to DMD it's very likely you simply do that but download the game here or whereever.

 

[Deleted member 219719]

Maybe, but if we assume that DMD was generating about 25k$ per month then Patreon's cut of that would be 1250$, i.e. peanuts. They just got 50 million in investment money, with plenty more to come and a possible IPO in the future. That's a hell of an incentive to purge any project that has a faint chance of causing even minor negative PR.

It's not about DMD solely, I'd say the damage at the very least a hundred times that. That, however, is just the lower "guesstimate" on my part, based on what I've been hearing about Patreon's crusade. Not that it threatens them or anything, but as I said in some other post, seems like not all incest was nuked, and some games got away with "de-incesting" the content, so for all that matters, they could've just...not do it so forcefully, show a little leniency.

I'm somewhat pessimistic as well. Even MrDots's recent posts get my spider-sense tingling. First it's "DMD will be finished no matter what" and then "We will start focusing our energy on the new project after we release v.17.". I'm not trying to blame anyone, far from it, I don't know the situation they're in and for the developer it's their job at stake here. Compared to that what some random fat bastard like me thinks about that, or feels entitled to, doesn't really matter.

I'm not pessimistic I think, I just can't see the light at the end of the tunnel, a way it'd work out for DMD when it's taking a backseat. Dots said focus will shift from DMD to this new project, DMD itself is no longer monetized, so if the project fails, DMD will not be updated since Dots is pretty Patreon dependant so he needs a working project there, and if the project succeeds, then there'll be a reason for Dots to focus on that even more, which means a chance of him abandoning DMD completely. Not that I'd blame him, he has to make a living, but yeah. Sad times.

 

[atlas114]

Is sex possible with Daughter in general?

this was answered a few posts above.

 

[Jeff Steel]

Is sex possible with Daughter in general?

Just talking about stimulation of the genitalia - at this point in game progress, both have masturbated each other; D has wrapped her breasts around F’s penis; F has penetrated D with two fingers; both have kissed each other’s genitalia; both are beginning to use their tongues (though briefly, almost in passing) on each other’s genitalia.

Technically - to me - these are forms of sex.

Currently - as of the beginning of February 2018 - vaginal penetration by F’s penis is not yet possible in the game, if that’s what you’re asking.

 

[Siddington]

Currently - as of the beginning of February 2018 - vaginal penetration by F’s penis is not yet possible in the game, if that’s what you’re asking.

I think the sad truth is with all this Patreon nonsense going on, you could read that quote in February next year and with a slight date alteration it would still be true.

 

[minombrehota]

Well, the problem starts with the additional work and the payment. A lot of those problems patreon is in now seem to result in payment providers who don't want to be used for this kind of incest, rape, [...] content (like paypal etc.) and it seems to be very hard to get alternative systems.

Let's not fool each other: A lot of people pledge on patreon because it's very easy, safe and it works. But if you've got to use some "obscure" third party payment system which you'll have to set up just to give some money to DMD it's very likely you simply do that but download the game here or whereever.

And yet literally hundreds of people gave money to LOPGold and S&G using an “obscure” third party payment system aka CCBill. There are plenty of payment systems out there that aren’t Pay Pal that also don’t have crazy restrictive TOS.

If Leonizer made this work in a world before Patreon, MrDots can do the same. Take no risks, reap no rewards. Right now he’s sitting on his thumbs hoping another workaround presents itself. When none do and DMD is dead in the water he’ll try and go the LOP route but by then it’ll be too late. The time to capitalize is now. Take the risk now, fire the first bullet. Hell, he can even start this alone and then pull other devs under his wings, give them a safe space to create and become the new Leonizer-of sorts.

This can work if people stop being so pessimistic. You have to take chances and take risks in business. This is a business and MrDots is running it like a wait and see millennial.

 

[j4yj4m]

... CCBill.

CCBill does clearly refer to local, federal and state laws in their TOS which would very likely exclude underage content, incest, rape, etc. aswell. Especially since CCBill does cooperate with credit card providers etc. who will likely insist on lawful behavior once things get too big. LoP is basically just a normal fetish porn website which of course doesn't have the same issues a page that explicitly allows illegal content would have.

In general it's all relative. Will you get some money? Yes. Will you get as much as you could? No. Could you spend your time developing a good game that suits the TOS and earn the same or more? Yes.

Things would of course change if patreon were to ban more adult content but that doesn't seem the case right now.

 

[atlas114]

i don’t see how he is milking patrons when he put a stop to taking pledges for February while he has to:

- work on DMD v.17 to push out to January patrons
- figure out another alternative to Patreon
- work on that second project and then submit to Patreon so they can approve
- answer hundreds if not thousands of messages from confused patrons and non patrons, most of whom are giving unworkable solutions or telling him to fight the power and risk his livelihood
- get the dmd sites up and online

i would guess the people making some of the accusations have never had their livelihood threatened. that situation can make you head crazy. i’m not trying to defend the dev here but you gotta look at it from his POV. the same old same old no longer applies and he’s gotta adapt to survive.

at any rate we got 16.5 uncensored coming this week, maybe some previews of his second project, and the long awaited v.17 coming next Wednesday. things to be grateful for!

 

[wrx21]

ah i hate that phrase so much,milking...
you would think that people would cancel their pledge if they feel mrdots is slacker and is not delivering what he promised,about 4000 people before patreon ban must have been complete morons to not realize that they have been nothing else but milked all this time,myself included...

 

[Kane Salvatore]

CCBill does clearly refer to local, federal and state laws in their TOS which would very likely exclude underage content, incest, rape, etc. aswell. Especially since CCBill does cooperate with credit card providers etc. who will likely insist on lawful behavior once things get too big. LoP is basically just a normal fetish porn website which of course doesn't have the same issues a page that explicitly allows illegal content would have.

In general it's all relative. Will you get some money? Yes. Will you get as much as you could? No. Could you spend your time developing a good game that suits the TOS and earn the same or more? Yes.

Things would of course change if patreon were to ban more adult content but that doesn't seem the case right now.

don't think credit card companies care that much.. dlsite has plenty of incest, rape.. and more extreme stuff.. but they are japanese site.. i think its a small option the devs should try, will not be monthly billing but would still be some cash flow to the content banned on patreon

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edit: patreon might need this

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since they think Jennifer is a problem as well IIRC

 

[Thundorn]

Milking is an abhorrent phrase in this context. I think people need reminding of what Patreon is some times.

Patreon is about Supporting. Every penny that a dev takes from patreon is a donation from people who want to support their work. No Patron is being held at gunpoint and forced to give money and they can stop at any time.
It is no secret that some of the more popular devs have a knack of making it look like they are doing more than they really are, but people still support them because they enjoy their work.

You would have to be a colossal moron to give up your full time job and make patreon your only source of income, because in the blink of an eye it can all disappear, as some of the more popular devs are now discovering.

 

[Antoninus_]

Anyone know MrDots Discord ?

 

[Frank01]

Well I hope his new game at least has georgina's long-lost sister in it.

 

[Draxo]

Hello peeps, im new to the game and on my first playthrough in chapter 1, on day 6 before the dinner with secretary there was an option for Georgina to masterbate first, and for some reason the game always crashes at that scene. Anybody else with similar problems?

 

[Erandil]

You would have to be a colossal moron to give up your full time job and make patreon your only source of income, because in the blink of an eye it can all disappear, as some of the more popular devs are now discovering.

And that is different to most other self-employed/independent jobs how? Especially in the creative industry Patreon is far from the worst choice when comes to making a living.

 

[Jeff Steel]

And that is different to most other self-employed/independent jobs how? Especially in the creative industry Patreon is far from the worst choice when comes to making a living.

As a private attorney, you have to take money from the “cash rich months” - and bank it away for the “cash poor months.” I would think that any developer on a roll would do the same, and quit their day job knowing they had a couple months cushion just in case the Patreon hits the fan.