VN Ren'Py Completed Dating My Daughter [Ch. 1-4 v1.01] [MrDots Games]

[Delmach]

To start, I agree with you on most counts. Currently, MrDots has 3607 subscribers. Of that let's say a hundred leave giving us about 3500 subscribers. At $5-$10 a month you're looking at roughly $17,500-$35,000. Assuming he has a day job, that seems like a fair amount to continue working on this game. MrDots can set up his pay-site ALONE with a Patreon style subscription system. You need to provide your email when you subscribe anyways, give a minimum of $5 but if you give more, you get Patreon-esque benefits. The game doesn't have to be complete as this is what drove fans from LOP and S&G, the wait is what killed them. MrDots can continue as he is now, an update once per month, but without Patreon TOS, he can make this game as dirty or as tame as he wants.

In regards to "selling a completed game", DMD Ch.1 is already complete, with a few hours of repeated gameplay considering the multiple ways you can take the game. Ch.2 is gaining more exposure daily, not only because of the story & content but also because of the intrigue brought when Patreon banned it for being risque. A lot of people will commit to this game and donate allowing MrDots and team to build this game out and make it bigger and better. By the end of this year, he'll have TWO finished games with Ch.3 either starting sometime in Q4 or early in Q1 next year. By then, with two complete games, people will see his consistency with releasing a monthly update, he'll gain more traction which means more money, which will lead to him and his team being able to start a second game while working on Ch.3.

Regarding Pay Pal's TOS, don't use Pay Pal. Use CC Bill like LOP/S&G. Use Google Wallet, Stripe, Venmo, etc. A little research on Pay Pal alternatives yields multiple different options. Most of these alternatives have a $25/month fee. That's a measly $300 a year. Keeping the site up and running, let's say another $300. Making this shift from Patreon to a self owned pay-site will be rough for the first initial year but with MrDots' ever growing popularity, his monthly updates, and the quality of his game, every year following will get better so long as he keeps doing what he's doing.

This honestly isn't as difficult as most people are making it seem.

Most of it does seem right, but you forgot one thing, the human factor. Lets be honest, acting only when things are getting worse and not before isnt really uncommon. And to translate it to this case, creators dont want to try a big change yet, only when the supporters start dropping like flies. So far I only seen a bit of rebellious attitude, but theres no real fight, not seen it with any creator.

And its of course understandable, most cling to the hopes that new, complying games still work with the people that supported before, or they went the patch route, which so far seems reliable, and I can only hope that at least future creators set it up this way instead of completly abandoning everything.

Also most people are too comfortable with the present systems to even consider charging/paying for finished games, not having different tiers of subscribers, not having automatic monthly subscriptions, and of course not having Paypal. Even one of those things can be a dealbreaker for some already, now take a mix of them. This can be said for both groups of course, supporter and creator. Its basically the same old story of "how bad do things have to go before the real changes happen" in which case most was seen so far is, well, people complying, one way or another.

Edit: dont want to end it with that bleak outlook, so lets just hope one of the options, be it self-reliant creators with own websites, or one of already existing similiar websites, or one of the new announced ones can take over. Because one thing is for sure, theres money to be made, and thats why things might not look too grim, because thats the one motivator for many things to happen.

 

[Les_Riggs]

Ended my pledge to Mr Dots because it's unclear on what he is doing next and I rather pledge to a developer who has projects in the works

I’m going to presume you’ve not read MrDots’ post on his official site earlier today (posted a couple of pages back on this thread), where a brand new project is already in the works, and it even states on his patreon wall that it’s “Coming Soon”.
I suspect there will be a preview for this very soon, which is great news on top of finding out a release date for v17.

A little actual research on this doesn’t hurt you know?

 

[RustyV]

Running a site like Patreon is a full time job. Anyone who owns or has owned a business will tell truthfully the business runs you. I had an artist once tell me you can't be an artist and teach art too, time management is impossible.
If Mr.Dots set up his own site believe me he and his team would spend more time an money running a single game site than it would be worth AND there would be zero time to create quality DMD updates.
I hate what is happening but until a third party steps up its not feasible. I already talked to my IT guy, and he has worked on a lot of start ups. a lot of capital is needed and go fund me to set up a digital taboo porn site probably won't get enough donors. sorry but this will take time until an established site takes on this new cash cow.

 

[Stephan23]

V.0.17 comes out on 14.02.

 

[Beast111222]

is there anyway to have sex with D in the first chapter?

 

[Jeff Steel]

is there anyway to have sex with D in the first chapter?

No.

 

[Jeff Steel]

No.

Such a sparse and non cluttered reply.

 

[AereGo]

I already stated that their quality has fallen off (which is visible by their dwindling subscriber base) but there is no way that DMD alone can generate $20 a month, especially if they continue that "slow burn" that many see as milking. $5 a month would me more realistic.
In this case we are not talking about supporting some amateur indie developer on Patreon but rather buying polished commercial product.

Few successful developer joining their forces would be entirely different story as you would have multiple games but that would create other problems:
1. How to divide the money
2. Some developers may start experiencing problems with their games (falling behind on their updates or just crank out small amount of content to meet deadlines) This would quickly generate discontent among developers.
3. How many people can afford $20-30 a months as most Patrons are $5-10 level and all of those developers will want their share.

More realistic scenario is selling completed game.

I had absolutely no intention to bash your post but rather to point out difficulties in finding other viable platform besides Patreon. As a matter of fact, I discussed this issue with few developers. All of them told me that creating website to host the game was very easy and that their major concern was billing. That's why, all of these guys are reluctant to leave Patreon.

My subjective opinion is that major adult games developers from Patreon should gather a meeting and either:
a.) Decide on a new platform where they all should go or...
b.) Team up and open their own platform which should not be that hard with team effort/financing.

Complying to arbitrary Patreon rules and switching to new games is kind of weak long-term solution. Incest was the selling point of these games and who knows if/when Patreon decides to ban porn altogether.

 

[F95User123]

All Patreon is done is lead people away from their site, or make people be secretive about their projects and find other places. Great job Patreon!

 

[SikaNauta]

You know, that ONE time you'd actually want a company to focus on profit but then they go and grow a conscious...

Maybe, but if we assume that DMD was generating about 25k$ per month then Patreon's cut of that would be 1250$, i.e. peanuts. They just got 50 million in investment money, with plenty more to come and a possible IPO in the future. That's a hell of an incentive to purge any project that has a faint chance of causing even minor negative PR.

I'm saddened I can't see any way it would end well for DMD.

I'm somewhat pessimistic as well. Even MrDots's recent posts get my spider-sense tingling. First it's "DMD will be finished no matter what" and then "We will start focusing our energy on the new project after we release v.17.". I'm not trying to blame anyone, far from it, I don't know the situation they're in and for the developer it's their job at stake here. Compared to that what some random fat bastard like me thinks about that, or feels entitled to, doesn't really matter.

 

[Creeping Death]

I don't really see a problem with keeping up the work on DmD. Okay, slower, so what, as long as it's going forward. They already got a domain and hompage for the game,

You must be registered to see the links

. The release date for 0.17 is announced on it and also a download link added. Now adding a user registration system and an alternative payment method, et voilà! In times of Wordpress, Joomla this should'nt be a problem. Only a matter of will?!

 

[pil1]

Is sex possible with Daughter in general?

 

[slackster]

I’m going to presume you’ve not read MrDots’ post on his official site earlier today (posted a couple of pages back on this thread), where a brand new project is already in the works, and it even states on his patreon wall that it’s “Coming Soon”.
I suspect there will be a preview for this very soon, which is great news on top of finding out a release date for v17.

A little actual research on this doesn’t hurt you know?

Actions will speak louder than any words on a website ever will

As has been noted if MrDots updates with DmD slow to a crawl don't be surprised if his donations to his new game follow, for who is to say he won't abandon that if that too runs into difficulty leaving another unfinished game to his resume.

DmD made MrDots- I hope he finds a way to finish the story in the next 12 months

 

[j4yj4m]

I'm somewhat pessimistic as well. Even MrDots's recent posts get my spider-sense tingling. First it's "DMD will be finished no matter what" and then "We will start focusing our energy on the new project after we release v.17.". I'm not trying to blame anyone, far from it, I don't know the situation they're in and for the developer it's their job at stake here. Compared to that what some random fat bastard like me thinks about that, or feels entitled to, doesn't really matter.

Even though I agree with you, it does indeed make sense to focus on the new project because that has to be at least good enough to be sustainable. Most new games struggle a lot in their first 3 to 6 months and prolonging that peroid doesn't seem like a good idea to me.

I do expect DMD to become a side project unless Mr. Dots really finds a way to properly monetize it again. That said it's of course a great side project if he manages to somehow advertise it correctly.

I don't really see a problem with keeping up the work on DmD. Okay, slower, so what, as long as it's going forward. They already got a domain and hompage for the game,

You must be registered to see the links

. The release date for 0.17 is announced on it and also a download link added. Now adding a user registration system and an alternative payment method, et voilà! In times of Wordpress, Joomla this should'nt be a problem. Only a matter of will?!

Well, the problem starts with the additional work and the payment. A lot of those problems patreon is in now seem to result in payment providers who don't want to be used for this kind of incest, rape, [...] content (like paypal etc.) and it seems to be very hard to get alternative systems.

Let's not fool each other: A lot of people pledge on patreon because it's very easy, safe and it works. But if you've got to use some "obscure" third party payment system which you'll have to set up just to give some money to DMD it's very likely you simply do that but download the game here or whereever.

 

[Deleted member 219719]

Maybe, but if we assume that DMD was generating about 25k$ per month then Patreon's cut of that would be 1250$, i.e. peanuts. They just got 50 million in investment money, with plenty more to come and a possible IPO in the future. That's a hell of an incentive to purge any project that has a faint chance of causing even minor negative PR.

It's not about DMD solely, I'd say the damage at the very least a hundred times that. That, however, is just the lower "guesstimate" on my part, based on what I've been hearing about Patreon's crusade. Not that it threatens them or anything, but as I said in some other post, seems like not all incest was nuked, and some games got away with "de-incesting" the content, so for all that matters, they could've just...not do it so forcefully, show a little leniency.

I'm somewhat pessimistic as well. Even MrDots's recent posts get my spider-sense tingling. First it's "DMD will be finished no matter what" and then "We will start focusing our energy on the new project after we release v.17.". I'm not trying to blame anyone, far from it, I don't know the situation they're in and for the developer it's their job at stake here. Compared to that what some random fat bastard like me thinks about that, or feels entitled to, doesn't really matter.

I'm not pessimistic I think, I just can't see the light at the end of the tunnel, a way it'd work out for DMD when it's taking a backseat. Dots said focus will shift from DMD to this new project, DMD itself is no longer monetized, so if the project fails, DMD will not be updated since Dots is pretty Patreon dependant so he needs a working project there, and if the project succeeds, then there'll be a reason for Dots to focus on that even more, which means a chance of him abandoning DMD completely. Not that I'd blame him, he has to make a living, but yeah. Sad times.

 

[atlas114]

Is sex possible with Daughter in general?

this was answered a few posts above.

 

[Jeff Steel]

Is sex possible with Daughter in general?

Just talking about stimulation of the genitalia - at this point in game progress, both have masturbated each other; D has wrapped her breasts around F’s penis; F has penetrated D with two fingers; both have kissed each other’s genitalia; both are beginning to use their tongues (though briefly, almost in passing) on each other’s genitalia.

Technically - to me - these are forms of sex.

Currently - as of the beginning of February 2018 - vaginal penetration by F’s penis is not yet possible in the game, if that’s what you’re asking.

 

[Siddington]

Currently - as of the beginning of February 2018 - vaginal penetration by F’s penis is not yet possible in the game, if that’s what you’re asking.

I think the sad truth is with all this Patreon nonsense going on, you could read that quote in February next year and with a slight date alteration it would still be true.

 

[minombrehota]

Well, the problem starts with the additional work and the payment. A lot of those problems patreon is in now seem to result in payment providers who don't want to be used for this kind of incest, rape, [...] content (like paypal etc.) and it seems to be very hard to get alternative systems.

Let's not fool each other: A lot of people pledge on patreon because it's very easy, safe and it works. But if you've got to use some "obscure" third party payment system which you'll have to set up just to give some money to DMD it's very likely you simply do that but download the game here or whereever.

And yet literally hundreds of people gave money to LOPGold and S&G using an “obscure” third party payment system aka CCBill. There are plenty of payment systems out there that aren’t Pay Pal that also don’t have crazy restrictive TOS.

If Leonizer made this work in a world before Patreon, MrDots can do the same. Take no risks, reap no rewards. Right now he’s sitting on his thumbs hoping another workaround presents itself. When none do and DMD is dead in the water he’ll try and go the LOP route but by then it’ll be too late. The time to capitalize is now. Take the risk now, fire the first bullet. Hell, he can even start this alone and then pull other devs under his wings, give them a safe space to create and become the new Leonizer-of sorts.

This can work if people stop being so pessimistic. You have to take chances and take risks in business. This is a business and MrDots is running it like a wait and see millennial.

 

[j4yj4m]

... CCBill.

CCBill does clearly refer to local, federal and state laws in their TOS which would very likely exclude underage content, incest, rape, etc. aswell. Especially since CCBill does cooperate with credit card providers etc. who will likely insist on lawful behavior once things get too big. LoP is basically just a normal fetish porn website which of course doesn't have the same issues a page that explicitly allows illegal content would have.

In general it's all relative. Will you get some money? Yes. Will you get as much as you could? No. Could you spend your time developing a good game that suits the TOS and earn the same or more? Yes.

Things would of course change if patreon were to ban more adult content but that doesn't seem the case right now.