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Dolphin3000

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Art style is mediocre, same reused characters I've seen 100 times, ... it still has no audio, 720p rez, ....
I guess you don't realize it, but what you said, actually is a compliment!
When someone using widely available resources produces something of outstanding value, when no one else was able to do it first, it is called....TALENT!
The vast majority of DMD players rate this game as one of the best (when not the best) game in the genre they have ever played! And as you said, the game is not even finished yet!
 
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Infamy

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So is anyone else kinda pissed off the mother showed up...... I mean legit I am seething I don't think she should have EVER been seen save for the phone calls...

Also this is turning out to be annoying and I feel as if the game should just be dating/fucking my secretary cause at this point and time Georgina is the best char

The D is slowly starting to get on my nerves

Elena is a cunt and try hard

Jennifer you barely know

Now we have to mother who already comes across as a bitch and is obvious why the MC peaced the fuck out on her.
 

Ungawa

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Just like it would be a real world drag to focus on immigration laws and the like.
Not going to drag this into a real world setting, but games have certainly explored these things. Problem is that devs have to make you see it through a different angle and if they're bad at it, you'll know.

To put this into this game's setting, that's certainly a consequence of forbidden fruit which doesn't get much attention. The taboos of sneaking around with this forbidden lust make for a more captivating story. If the developer can tell that story, they should. But I don't think a lot of them really can. Thus, sticking to what they can comfortably tell is certainly far more preferable to everyone.

Oh, and AAA games do this all the time. Dragon Age 2 had this pretty well until the ending.
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Ungawa

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So is anyone else kinda pissed off the mother showed up...... I mean legit I am seething I don't think she should have EVER been seen save for the phone calls...

Also this is turning out to be annoying and I feel as if the game should just be dating/fucking my secretary cause at this point and time Georgina is the best char

The D is slowly starting to get on my nerves

Elena is a cunt and try hard

Jennifer you barely know

Now we have to mother who already comes across as a bitch and is obvious why the MC peaced the fuck out on her.
It's pretty obvious... MC didn't give her enough Vitamin D.
 
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RobJoy

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Not talking purely sexual but i've got 4 daughters and none of them act like the daughter does in this game and only 2 of them are over 18.

My wife has given them all "the talk" but in her words they knew more than she did. From what they learn at school, talking with friends and the internet teenage girls that know nothing about sex outside of a convent simply don't exist.

The daughter here is pure fantasy. If anyone like her actually existed she'd be taken advantage of everywhere she went. While it may seem cute to a degree she's a complete numpty and in all my years of travelling the world i've never met anyone that acts like her.

If any of my daughters were like that i'd never let them leave the house. They would be prey for anyone.
Of course they don't.

They weren't raised in a girls only school and by a non-emotional, inconsiderate and strict mother/stepfather who never have time for her.
FFS she never even had the "sex talk" for crying out loud.

Can't you just accept that D is not your typical teenager and thus being less than 1% of females in the world minority?
 

Aitan_3

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That's laughably naive.

if Mrdots chose another project and abandoned DmD not only would he be flooded with a mass of complaints but he'd lose a large chunk of supporters and money.

I know a good chunk of those supporters are there purely to fund DmD and DmD alone, nothing else.
It's indeed laughably naive, and in fact, nobody in devs team think something like that. Apparently @virtuvoid just likes to sow discord, so if I were in you I would stick to that old internet adage - don't feed the trolls.

It's obvious that abandoning DMD would result in a complete disaster both on a reputational and an economic level, and the devs have EVERY intention of completing it (even though at a certain point I might be forced to reduce my personal contribution to the project because of university duties, when I'll finally start writing my PhD thesis - but I am just a freelance writer hired by mrdots). It would be a big, big failure if DMD got cancelled, and believe me, everybody involved in its development would suffer a great deal.

What I argued on this board a while ago was simply that, even in the DISATROUS event that, for whatever unpredictable reason, DMD had to be abandoned, the whole enterprise would still not be a scam. Sure, the backers would have any right to feel disappointed, but in the end on patreon you support creators you believe into, you don't buy products. Pledging for a month doesn't give you the right to a finished game, just the right to expect the creator's unidivided commitment to a project. As long as he/she gives his/her best to realize such project (and I think it's clear that MrDots is doing exactly that, never missing a deadline and releasing a lot of content each month), it can't be a scam in my opinion. It would be a scam if he was a lazy dude living off patrons' pledges. But if at a certain point he simply won't have anymore the energy, or the creativity, to complete the game (and I want to be clear: I am pretty sure it won't happen, he is really professional, way more than me XD - I am just making a more general point here), well, he will be really sorry, I will be really sorry, backers will be really sorry, the whole studio would probably collaps, but it still won't be a scam. That's my opinion at least, the same I have expressed on other forums when people talk about sueing George Martin because he might not complete A Game of Thrones, or when they throw shit at Yoshihiro Togashi for getting Hunter x Hunter on hiatus. By starting a creative work you don't (you can't) sign a contract where you ASSURE you'll be able to complete it. If you fail to do so even after having honesly tried, you might be labeled an incompetent, but definetely not a swindler.

Finally, I want to be clear on the fact that I am NOT the spokesperson of the devs-team - I already said this in the past, but @virtuvoid doesn't seem to get it. As I wrote above, I am not part of a "MrDots Games" studio; I am here as a private adult games fan (mods upgraded my accont with a "game developer" label, and that's perfectly ok with me since I am one - but I didn't ask for it), and as a matter of fact I don't think that other members of the team like pirate sites (with understandable reasons I'd say), and would not understand why I "waste" my time on this board. But I have my own ideological allegiances, don't believe in copyright, make a point of honor in being as "ecumenical" as possible, and appreciate support however it's expressed. But that's just me. Don't project my ideas on MrDots or on other devs. You would be gravely misguided.
 
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RobJoy

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What ?! It's called being lazy as he just used the default assets when he could have made or hired someone to make him unique models. The only thing he seems to have changed was the slider for the ass and the chest without a care for realism, as they look like cheap balloons.

This is not exactly the end of the world, but for how much money he is making right now this game has the same quality as someone who just started. At least that Big Brother tool put some effort into the eye-candy of his game, but this is literally 100% generic shit and I'm not trying to start anything here but the fanboyism is amazing.
You have to take into account on how he started.
he did not have all the resources then.

And changing things now would be detrimental to the game we are used to.

To do what you are suggesting, he would have to have large funds from the get go.
This is not how this works, you know? :D
 
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Aitan_3

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I've read through about 4 months of the Patreon forum. It wasn't mentioned. I do not consider that forum "happy-happy" : cultists and harder-core porn people, mainly.

This forum--@F95 Zone--is "happy-happy" to receive so much FREE stuff.

I do not use "salesman" as a pejorative. You are not overt about it, certainly.

There is little need for "cunning" on my part. Just game theory...
Game theory presupposes rational actors whose main objective is their own profit, but I am a schizofrenic left-wing anarchist full of buddhist universal love with non-sense on top. :FuckYea:

Joking.

...

Yeah, definetely joking.
 
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DimS40

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Just finished going through one path of day 12 and i have to say that i really liked this update.
My only critisism would be the 2 or 3 inconsistencies i found and already have been spotted by other players already (clothing shop - Elena seeing D kissing F from behind a closed door? - Lucas peeping in F's apartment??).
 

wrx21

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this new preview pic - father just can't go soft x'D
can't say i blame him,love the way daughter looks at him,hope things will continue the same way they ended night before
 
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Ragnar

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Now we have to mother who already comes across as a bitch and is obvious why the MC peaced the fuck out on her.
As long as we can have some action with her in the future It's fine with me.
If I understand correctly, there are another 2 games/chapters planned after this one, so we need characters and several plots to keep things interesting, plus some paths aside from running into the sunset with D.
Forget about D for now, she is the carrot to keep the players going month after month.
 

Gomly1980

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Can't you just accept that D is not your typical teenager and thus being less than 1% of females in the world minority?
Girls only schools still have sexual education, there is still the internet and most people at that age talk to their friends so none of that explains why she's as clueless as she is and Elena is far more ... liberated, to pick a word.

Now, if she'd been brought up on a mountain in Tibet alone with absolutely no internet access and no other people around i'd accept it.

As it stands it makes no sense. I'm not arguing for the sake of being contrary i'm arguing because the main theme of the game is it's biggest plot hole.

20+ years ago it would have made a lot more sense with internet not being as widespread as it is now but with sex being absolutely everywhere from TV to movies to books it's impossible for her to know nothing.

Those 1% of females that know absolutely nothing are those brought up with home schooling in religious families or cults that aren't allowed to speak to anyone. That isn't the D in this case. Having a bitch for a mother does not a clueless virgin make.

You're getting defensive for all the wrong reasons. I'm not saying it's shit not in the slightest. Point of fact I have said a few times it's a great project but it does have it's silly parts. I'm not here to convince anyone to change anything, it doesn't need changing nor am I trying to slam something you enjoy. I'm pointing out something that makes no sense to me on a discussion board for said something.

As I said, it's a fantasy scenario and was brought up to highlight why i'd go for Georgina or Elena over the daughter if it was a COYA style thingy. Opinions, peoples are different, whodathunk.

It's indeed laughably naive, and in fact, nobody in devs team think something like that. Apparently @virtuvoid just likes to sow discord, so if I were in you I would stick to that old internet adage - don't feed the trolls.
I said that's naive not you're naive.

I highly doubt anybody is foolish enough to think that and believe it.

You are right, it wouldn't be a scam and I never once said it was. I only pointed out that if it crossed a mind that the thing that is popular and people enjoy were cancelled that those people wouldn't complain is a naive way to look at it. I didn't quote you and call you naive because I haven't seen you say that.

He brought up said point and I replied. Maybe I shouldn't have but it's there now.

No contracts have been signed, there has been no bait and switch and nobody has been given a legally binding document promising them a feature complete project. Cancelled or not, there is no scam.

Some people treat Patreon like Kickstarter and seem to think parting with money entitles them to something despite Patreon being a supportive model and not a buying one.

I think that's enough rambling for now. Apologise for the rant.
 

Aitan_3

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I said that's naive not you're naive.

I highly doubt anybody is foolish enough to think that and believe it.

You are right, it wouldn't be a scam and I never once said it was. I only pointed out that if it crossed a mind that the thing that is popular and people enjoy were cancelled that those people wouldn't complain is a naive way to look at it. I didn't quote you and call you naive because I haven't seen you say that.

He brought up said point and I replied. Maybe I shouldn't have but it's there now.

No contracts have been signed, there has been no bait and switch and nobody has been given a legally binding document promising them a feature complete project. Cancelled or not, there is no scam.

Some people treat Patreon like Kickstarter and seem to think parting with money entitles them to something despite Patreon being a supportive model and not a buying one.

I think that's enough rambling for now. Apologise for the rant.
Hey, I'm sorry if you thought I was accusing you of somthing. I was answering to your post, but I was actually speaking in general - just something I wanted to clarify to everybody. Had no intention to single you out. Peace!
 

RobJoy

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Girls only schools still have sexual education, there is still the internet and most people at that age talk to their friends so none of that explains why she's as clueless as she is and Elena is far more ... liberated, to pick a word.

Now, if she'd been brought up on a mountain in Tibet alone with absolutely no internet access and no other people around i'd accept it.

As it stands it makes no sense. I'm not arguing for the sake of being contrary i'm arguing because the main theme of the game is it's biggest plot hole.

20+ years ago it would have made a lot more sense with internet not being as widespread as it is now but with sex being absolutely everywhere from TV to movies to books it's impossible for her to know nothing.

Those 1% of females that know absolutely nothing are those brought up with home schooling in religious families or cults that aren't allowed to speak to anyone. That isn't the D in this case. Having a bitch for a mother does not a clueless virgin make.

You're getting defensive for all the wrong reasons. I'm not saying it's shit not in the slightest. Point of fact I have said a few times it's a great project but it does have it's silly parts. I'm not here to convince anyone to change anything, it doesn't need changing nor am I trying to slam something you enjoy. I'm pointing out something that makes no sense to me on a discussion board for said something.

As I said, it's a fantasy scenario and was brought up to highlight why i'd go for Georgina or Elena over the daughter if it was a COYA style thingy. Opinions, peoples are different, whodathunk.



I said that's naive not you're naive.

I highly doubt anybody is foolish enough to think that and believe it.

You are right, it wouldn't be a scam and I never once said it was. I only pointed out that if it crossed a mind that the thing that is popular and people enjoy were cancelled that those people wouldn't complain is a naive way to look at it. I didn't quote you and call you naive because I haven't seen you say that.

He brought up said point and I replied. Maybe I shouldn't have but it's there now.

No contracts have been signed, there has been no bait and switch and nobody has been given a legally binding document promising them a feature complete project. Cancelled or not, there is no scam.

Some people treat Patreon like Kickstarter and seem to think parting with money entitles them to something despite Patreon being a supportive model and not a buying one.

I think that's enough rambling for now. Apologise for the rant.
You can rationalize all you want around D and how she came to be like she is.

The fact remains that such girls do exist in the world.
Clueless, naive and cut off from any sexual experience.

Finding one is like winning a lottery.
Rare true, but hey, it happens at least once a week.

Just because you have never met such a girl and because you have never won a lottery, does not mean that there isn't one lucky bastard out there who has.

Accept D and how she is, and move on.
Or simply do not play the game.
 

Jeff Steel

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It's indeed laughably naive, and in fact, nobody in devs team think something like that. Apparently @virtuvoid just likes to sow discord, so if I were in you I would stick to that old internet adage - don't feed the trolls.

It's obvious that abandoning DMD would result in a complete disaster both on a reputational and an economic level, and the devs have EVERY intention of completing it (even though at a certain point I might be forced to reduce my personal contribution to the project because of university duties, when I'll finally start writing my PhD thesis - but I am just a freelance writer hired by mrdots). It would be a big, big failure if DMD got cancelled, and believe me, everybody involved in its development would suffer a great deal.

What I argued on this board a while ago was simply that, even in the DISATROUS event that, for whatever unpredictable reason, DMD had to be abandoned, the whole enterprise would still not be a scam. Sure, the backers would have any right to feel disappointed, but in the end on patreon you support creators you believe into, you don't buy products. Pledging for a month doesn't give you the right to a finished game, just the right to expect the creator's unidivided commitment to a project. As long as he/she gives his/her best to realize such project (and I think it's clear that MrDots is doing exactly that, never missing a deadline and releasing a lot of content each month), it can't be a scam in my opinion. It would be a scam if he was a lazy dude living off patrons' pledges. But if at a certain point he simply won't have anymore the energy, or the creativity, to complete the game (and I want to be clear: I am pretty sure it won't happen, he is really professional, way more than me XD - I am just making a more general point here), well, he will be really sorry, I will be really sorry, backers will be really sorry, the whole studio would probably collaps, but it still won't be a scam. That's my opinion at least, the same I have expressed on other forums when people talk about sueing George Martin because he might not complete A Game of Thrones, or when they throw shit at Yoshihiro Togashi for getting Hunter x Hunter on hiatus. By starting a creative work you don't (you can't) sign a contract where you ASSURE you'll be able to complete it. If you fail to do so even after having honesly tried, you might be labeled an incompetent, but definetely not a swindler.

Finally, I want to be clear on the fact that I am NOT the spokesperson of the devs-team - I already said this in the past, but @virtuvoid doesn't seem to get it. As I wrote above, I am not part of a "MrDots Games" studio; I am here as a private adult games fan (mods upgraded my accont with a "game developer" label, and that's perfectly ok with me since I am one - but I didn't ask for it), and as a matter of fact I don't think that other members of the team like pirate sites (with understandable reasons I'd say), and would not understand why I "waste" my time on this board. But I have my own ideological allegiances, don't believe in copyright, make a point of honor in being as "ecumenical" as possible, and appreciate support however it's expressed. But that's just me. Don't project my ideas on MrDots or on other devs. You would be gravely misguided.
My problem with any board is when the vitriol gets thrown around. It becomes counterproductive, along with posts on when is the game out. I would assume the best value of a board like this is to discuss things like art, themes, character development, economics of making the game, fan support (or non support) - but once the board becomes a sounding point to express one's views to the point it resembles a rock throwing match, the board loses its value.

At the risk of sounding like a homer, if a board is going to have the benefit of having someone from the design team add board content, it would make sense to keep that person involved and not try to trap that person into assumptions of how they believe that project is being run.

As a private attorney with a heavy trial practice, jumping to conclusions about some person or some endeavor always runs the risk of being wrong. This project has several persons in development, and I've only texted three of them. Even I can't suppose what is driving them, beyond trying to put out as god a product as they can while listening to patron suggestions.

Robjoy points out that MrDots started this project alone on a more limited budget which might explain why his renders are closer to the original DAZ model art. I find that logically closer to what I perceive to be the truth than a statement that MrDots is lazy. Since MrDots consistently puts out a product each month of multiple renders tied into a constantly growing story with expanding threads worked on by multiple artists, I don't find convincing evidence that he is lazy.

Some surmise that the art itself would take only about a week to create for each release, and I don't know the answer to that. My efforts with DAZ are infantile at best. But I do know that coordinating a team, and keeping track of the game threads, each has issues that can quickly engulph your entire month.

As for things like internal game realism, such as is Daughter realistic in her innocence, I have known girls like her. Granted I grew up before the Internet, so those girls did not have internet access to help inform them. Perhaps this issue at hand isn't whether or not there are girls so innocent, but rather how can DMD do a better job at explaining her innocence. Now that Rachel is here, perhaps some dialogue on how she stunted Daughter's development is in the cards.

My point is, can we stop bouncing cannon balls off each other like the Monitor and the Merrimack, and use this board for a dialogue?
 
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Hello friends, don't suppose there are any other download links apart from Mega floating around?

Mega is asking me for money to continue my download now. Sad times for the poor man...
 
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