VN Ren'Py Completed Dating My Daughter [Ch. 1-4 v1.01] [MrDots Games]

[goobdoob]

1. I take issue with the fact that it was planned from the start, and for a very long time.

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- You can clearly see it the Fetishes list

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- Bonus points for the doggy render to lure more suckers in, like me.
A keen eye will observe that there are entries mentioning it who are dated 2 years into developing the game.

I think you miswrote that. The fact is bestiality was planned from the start, or very early on. It said it on his Patreon page before the great purge, and as you showed with the wayback machine, on the dmd website.

2. I take issue with the fact that the "authorities" that adamantly said NO and the ones that propagate that information, are writers and moderators and members of the fan discord, none of which had anything to do with the game for a very long time.

This, I take issue with. Jeff Steel said that neither he nor Hearsz want bestiality. Jeff is an idea guy for dmd (and a writer for Melody, and I assume a writer for SL). Hearsz is the main writer. They both have had "anything to do with the game for a very long time".

If the writers won't write bestiality scenes, Mr.Dots can either:

1. Fire them and get new writers, or
2. Write it himself, or
3. Drop it

NOTHING we do here will matter in this process.

 

[Bigapee]

not gonna lie, going solely off of Jeff's avatar i thought he was a pro-animal guy

 

[Jeff Steel]

Bestiality with the Fox - that I can endorse.

Btw, I am not anti bestiality, I just find it not very sexually attractive. But then I also don‘t find foot sex and urination very sexually attractive, and yet we have introduced those two items.

it appears to me since DMD is no longer on Patreon that Discord has a greater influence on the bestiality issue than any other platform. If bestiality lovers win the debate in that forum, then the sky is the limit.

i think Martin should come and steal D away and leave F with a box full of gerbils - then we can have NTR and bestiality in one monthly release.

 

[Bigapee]

i think Martin should come and steal D away and leave F with a box full of gerbils - then we can have NTR and bestiality in one monthly release.

now you're speaking my language!

 

[RustyV]

i think Martin should come and steal D away and leave F with a box full of gerbils - then we can have NTR and bestiality in one monthly release.

 

[ionDivvy]

Oh the eternal battle for bestiality in DMD. Who would win, I wonder? 4.000+ paying subscribers or 2-3 freeloaders complaining on a pirate forum?

Are you implying that every single one of his subscribers hates bestiality and anything non-vanilla? Because that would be an incredibly silly and unfounded assumption.

A lot of this extreme content has been teased from the very beginning of the game, so I don't think it's unreasonable to assume that more than a few subscribers have been waiting for said content and will be disappointed if it is not included.

DMD is a visual novel, so if you don't want to see non-vanilla content then you are able to make the choices where you don't see it. I don't understand what people's obsession is with trying to take other people's fun away?

 

[Jeff Steel]

Okay, to clarify things from me and from Hearsz.

1. Bestiality is not off the table.
2. Don’t know yet how it will manifest (with D; not with D)
3. Don’t know when it will manifest (though almost certainly not in Chapter 3 - though don’t put that in stone)
4. Just my opinion, but likely to be a dog
5. A dog will appear in the next release, but don’t know if that dog will have the bestiality role - or if that dog will just be a day-player (btw, the dog scene coming up is my idea and I am jazzed to see how MDots renders that scene)
6. Any bestiality will be avoidable, of course
7. I still think some NTR-light theme is a great dramatic tension filled concept, is a theme used from Casablanca to Back to the Future, and anyone who disagrees is a low self esteem weenie (oops, how’d that get in here)
8. The main administrator over on Discord is very opposed to bestiality and I value his opinion - his Issue is the lack of “free agency” similar to the issue with child-adult sex (that being said he also does not seem opposed to the dog that jumps up on the bed and starts licking at genitals while a couple has sex - since this is a fairly common experience)
9. I’ve opined that I don’t find dog renders in sex personally sexually exciting, and if we were doing this, I suggest we focus on the female reaction and not on the dog
10. I’ve also opined that male dogs in sex don’t thrust a lot and, in reality, they hump, then stick it in, the knot forms and then they just stand there
11. Bestiality has never been off the topic for either MDots or Hearsz, and there are notes on it from before Chapter 2 was even considered, as well as notes in the planning documents for it to possibly appear in Chapter 2. (I won’t go into details because this is one of those “walk the line” imo Like with D-another male sharing).
12. The plot notes I mention in 11 above, one was by MDots and one was by Hearsz, so neither are opposed to bestiality Per se.
13. Imo, I would prefer to go down the route of D and a dog involvement in a “soft core” way than Elena or Tyra in a “hard core” way - but that is only imo.

There you go. While the above does will not please everyone - and possibly not anyone - it does set forth the various shades of grey on this issue.

 

[yltohawk]

Well if Collie cotius, Pony pounding, or Goat groping is your bag, Bon Appetit.

As for the NTR crowd you actively seek to disrupt the relationship, albeit a fictional story one that in my opinion has been a very carefully woven story of self discovery, and sexual coming of age. To what end do you feel compelled to cajole others to necessitate such a hurtful scenario into such a game, actively working to supplant the MC for another just for the FAP of it.

I can see the desire for this in some story genre's, but this story is not a dark one. Some still attempt to pressure the Dev to acquiesce to throw the story into a dark morass of self absorbed hedonism. If this is the sole desire of some I say... There are other VN's to chose from.

Remember sharing is caring lol.

Yup your right I must be a low self esteem bastard.

 

[slackster]

Thanks for the update Jeff- all good point except I take exception to this:

8. The main administrator over on Discord is very opposed to bestiality and I value his opinion

Who is paying the bills/calling the shots? MrDots or this Discord admin who thinks they are running the game?

 

[slackster]

To what end do you feel compelled to cajole others to necessitate such a hurtful scenario into such a game, actively working to supplant the MC for another just for the FAP of it.

Its called dramatic tension, we all know it won't happen even though the temptation for D may be there (especially when she finds out what daddy dearest has been up to with her best friend)

 

[yltohawk]

Its called dramatic tension, we all know it won't happen even though the temptation for D may be there (especially when she finds out what daddy dearest has been up to with her best friend)

I understand the need for dramatic tension hence, Rachel In this case. NTR as a general rule is not a problem per se. I can see a NTR lite where the MC and D are confronted by a third party but there needs to be a path to reconciliation or whats the point to this story? It's just another FAP-O-RAMA.

 

[Jeff Steel]

Well if Collie cotius, Pony pounding, or Goat groping is your bag, Bon Appetit.

As for the NTR crowd you actively seek to disrupt the relationship, albeit a fictional story one that in my opinion has been a very carefully woven story of self discovery, and sexual coming of age. To what end do you feel compelled to cajole others to necessitate such a hurtful scenario into such a game, actively working to supplant the MC for another just for the FAP of it.

I can see the desire for this in some story genre's, but this story is not a dark one. Some still attempt to pressure the Dev to acquiesce to throw the story into a dark morass of self absorbed hedonism. If this is the sole desire of some I say... There are other VN's to chose from.

Remember sharing is caring lol.

Yup your right I must be a low self esteem bastard.

I am the dark one on the MDots team. From “hey, let’s show what happened when F loses the billiards game” to “hey, let’s script a Melody scene where she attempts but fails at suicide” ... my darker ideas are usually scrapped.

 

[KingFuzzy]

To what end do you feel compelled to cajole others to necessitate such a hurtful scenario into such a game, actively working to supplant the MC for another just for the FAP of it.

It is because they are low self esteem cucks. they likely had a successful Eric (Big Brother ref) in their real life who came along, fucked their girl or guy and got them kicked to the curb. so they try in any way possible to force that into everything people like or enjoy to turn it all shitty, so people can feel even a smidgen as miserable or pissed off as them. that is literally how they usually act and what the fetish is, and given how Jeff is trying to defend it and try putting it in i am guessing his significant other is cheating on him so he wants to make everyone else feel as shitty as him.

 

[yltohawk]

It is because they are low self esteem cucks. they likely had a successful Eric (Big Brother ref) in their real life who came along, fucked their girl or guy and got them kicked to the curb. so they try in any way possible to force that into everything people like or enjoy to turn it all shitty, so people can feel even a smidgen as miserable or pissed off as them. that is literally how they usually act and what the fetish is, and given how Jeff is trying to defend it and try putting it in i am guessing his significant other is cheating on him so he wants to make everyone else feel as shitty as him.

There is enough nastiness in this world please don't add to it.

 

[KingFuzzy]

There is enough nastiness in this world please don't add to it.

i worded it that way since Jeff said anyone who disagrees with him on the topic has low self esteem. Also besides, NTR is one of the nasty bits of the world, there is a reason it has such a strong dislike towards it. You love your significant other, they are your world, they betray you to be with another or are stolen by force by another, and leave you making you feel like shit or lesser than shit. Do not think you can get much more nasty than that.

 

[Paz]

I think you miswrote that. The fact is bestiality was planned from the start, or very early on. It said it on his Patreon page before the great purge, and as you showed with the wayback machine, on the dmd website.

You are correct, thanks. My wording was off.

This, I take issue with. Jeff Steel said that neither he nor Hearsz want bestiality. Jeff is an idea guy for dmd (and a writer for Melody, and I assume a writer for SL). Hearsz is the main writer. They both have had "anything to do with the game for a very long time".

My point still stands though, none was there from the start. Also, you might wanna checks those new posts for their actual preferences.

 

[Jeff Steel]

With confirmation from the NTR, even if it's light,
this game definitely died for me,
there would be no such thing as bestiality,
and that game would end this year,
but it looks like the money earned from that will be missing,
now it looks like they’re going to add any shit to earn a few more bucks.
it was the game I loved the most,
but greed is killing him.
MrDots had my respect, but now I will stay away from his games, I did well to stop supporting him, I would regret it very much if I continued.
And without blahbláblá, about avoidable, if it is just to follow D's route, this game could be over, even the animations are getting repeated, just changing the background scenery, there is nothing more to add just on D's route,
and now this light NTR shit,
it was always discussed here that I would never have and always supported,
but money speaks louder.
Now even bestiality seems to have it, how are things right?
and I’m also predicting that the third game will be another crap, characters so generic and artificial.
But it was a good thing, I was very involved with DMD, who didn't care about much better games.
who didn't like my comment, feel free to ignore it.

Did you read what I have said over the past And present? MDots does not want NTR regardless if it is in line with Casablanca or any other movie.

 

[Paz]

it appears to me since DMD is no longer on Patreon that Discord has a greater influence on the bestiality issue than any other platform. If bestiality lovers win the debate in that forum, then the sky is the limit.

So it's just a matter of which portion is the louder (or, let's be honest, which has the largest aggregate wallet). Since there's no substantial debate other than "I like it / I don't like it". Perfectly understandable. Not something I fully agree with, but understandable.

8. The main administrator over on Discord is very opposed to bestiality and I value his opinion - his Issue is the lack of “free agency” similar to the issue with child-adult sex (that being said he also does not seem opposed to the dog that jumps up on the bed and starts licking at genitals while a couple has sex - since this is a fairly common experience)

11. Bestiality has never been off the topic for either MDots or Hearsz, and there are notes on it from before Chapter 2 was even considered, as well as notes in the planning documents for it to possibly appear in Chapter 2. (I won’t go into details because this is one of those “walk the line” imo Like with D-another male sharing).

Thanks for the response, I do wonder how the F.A.Q's came to be on the Discord and the information propagated here ad infinitum to shut down any mentions of it.
I respectfully disagree with the legitimacy of the reason that a person (however involved he is with the community) doesn't find it appealing is reason enough though.

 

[yltohawk]

Did you read what I have said over the past And present? MDots does not want NTR regardless if it is in line with Casablanca or any other movie.

Wow you would think we just introduced politics here... A lot of polarizing thoughts on this. Whatever occurs as long as the reader has the choice to choose that's all anyone is asking.

 

[wrx21]

i supported the game from 0.3 i think but first hint of bestiality will pretty much be the day i'll move on