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But the story has lost more and more momentum for me. That is certainly also due to the route I followed,
but not only! I played the route "daughter only" for much of the story. On the one hand, that was because
I was of the opinion that if a girl takes the risk of having such a relationship with her father,
she shouldn't be cheated on with her best friends (But there wasn’t a bad ending because they’ve all
always been lesbians!?!?). And Georgina (also surprisingly with lesbian tendencies) was always too "plastic"
for me.
As storylines branch, momentum is lost. The limiting factor in ALL indy games is developer time. You can either have a scene added to four different branches or four scenes added to one branch (give or take a few percentage points in asset reusability) in a given amount of time..... that's one reason I cringe whenever some developer rolls up with his first game and a blurb about how "YOUR CHOICES MATTER!!!1!!"..... yeah, that's kinda fun, but I'd rather have one long, well-developed story lines than two story lines 50-70% as long, and that I have to replay the whole game in order to view.

The lesbian stuff is basically what people want. (I'm generally not a fan of excessive amounts of naked dudes cluttering up my screen when I'm trying to fap, so personally I'm very happywith things going in a more lesbo direction.) Competing girls deciding to fuck each other instead of hate each other is one of the oldest tropes in pornography. It's shit from a writing point of view for many reasons, but it's great as a fantasy-- it's something that almost never happens in real life, so porn is our opportunity to enjoy it.

But that is also a point of history. Too many conflicts are resolved without anyone having to pay for them.
Even with Rachel, the potential for conflict has been minimized.
Yeah, because conflicts make for good writing but lousy porn. In this particular game, the balance is all tilted toward porn. I'm ok with that, since I don't play this game for the writing. (Frankly I find it tepid.... the prose is mediocre at best, the plots are silly and predictable, and the dialogue is like something from a smutty version of an after-school special. But the pacing is good and the porn is hot, so I'm basically happy with the product and send Mr Dots a few shekels every month.)

If you want a great example of an H-game where the porn-vs-plot dial is twisted hard the other way (i.e. the porn suffers if it will make for better writing), try this one.

But what I also want to say is that, although I haven't "cheated" on the girl so far, I have no problem with
hardcore scenes as long as the two experience them together and use the other as their sex toys.
In the game "Deliverance", for example, that was implemented in an acceptable and erotic way for me.
Yeah, you're on a minority path, sir. Since it is not nearly as popular as the harem lines, it gets less attention from the developers for the reasons discussed above.

Have you checked out Melody? Same development team, similar strengths and weaknesses as this game, but very focused on 1:1 relationships. I've found it to be a notch above DMD, although it lacks the spiciness of the taboo premise.
 

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I for one don't want the lesbian content. Only time I want lesbian content is if I am playing a female protagonist and the scene is just my character and a single LI.
 

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I for one don't want the lesbian content. Only time I want lesbian content is if I am playing a female protagonist and the scene is just my character and a single LI.
LOL..... Team Ellie member detected. :brofist:
 
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I would call it a trope. There are other games like PL as an example where your daughter Ada doesn't win either.
There are multiple paths in PL with at least one where Ada does win. If you haven't found it you might want to explore that game a bit more.
 

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There are multiple paths in PL with at least one where Ada does win. If you haven't found it you might want to explore that game a bit more.
Interesting. I didn't know that. Which one is it?

I only go for the full harem path when I play.

When I'm at an all-you-can-eat buffet I don't limit myself to one food item, if you catch my drift.
 
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Interesting. I didn't know that. Which one is it?

I only go for the full harem path when I play.

When I'm at an all-you-can-eat buffet I don't limit myself to one food item, if you catch my drift.
I haven't played the VN in a while, but IIRC it has to do with how intimate you've been with her before the final match. That's best recollection and my memory may be faulty.
 

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I haven't played the VN in a while, but IIRC it has to do with how intimate you've been with her before the final match. That's best recollection and my memory may be faulty.
Hmm.. It's been a while since I played too but I'm 100% sure that I used Lain's Mod that time and she still lost.
So maybe it's one of the other endings. IDK but I'll keep it in mind next time I play it.
 

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depends on what the progress is.
progress to make her a pet = none
progress to make her a cumdump = none
progress to make her do bestiality = none
progress to make her a cheating whore = none

those progress are of course not on the menu, but we can still decide the progress we want even if it will never happen.

but we have:
progress to do BDSM = a bit, latex and analplugs can be used.
progress to share her with another dude = yes, with 2 different, with penetration
progress to do a 3some with another dude = yes, we can choose that when we share her.
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I am of the firm belief that there needs to be more and longer Martin scenes and D needs to be wearing that ring during all of them. :love:
 

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Ok so as I have gathered, any and all choices for D to win the Competition simply had no point? Why create choices that dont have a meaning? I love the game but having choices that are supposed to do something that dont are a waste. Just my Opinion.
My theory is that C3 would have been the planned end of the game, and if that would have gone through as planned she would have won. Now that the plot has been extended through a fourth chapter the ebb and flow of the story has changed. Now you need a mixture of wins and defeats:

End of C1: Daughter is taken away
End of C2: First sex scene between Father and Daughter
End of C3: Daughter suffers career setback
End of C4: Happy End
 
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im at chapter 2 day 19 and elena(friend of daughter) finds out the truth, is there an outcome where she doesnt find out the relationship or is it scripted?
 

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I think I have a quite stupid question, but I'll have to ask anyways since I can't figure it out. I can set the Auto-forward-time in the settings, but how do I turn Auto-forward on?

Thanks in advance.
 

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My theory is that C3 would have been the planned end of the game, and if that would have gone through as planned she would have won. Now that the plot has been extended through a fourth chapter the ebb and flow of the story has changed. Now you need a mixture of wins and defeats:

End of C1: Daughter is taken away
End of C2: First sex scene between Father and Daughter
End of C3: Daughter suffers career setback
End of C4: Happy End
That's probably what's going to happen.

I still wonder how they are going to please the NTR crowd and people that want more hardcore stuff to happen or if they even going to do that at all. It's really not one of my fetishes but ehh...
Problem with things like that is that storywise it makes no sense at this point. Maybe new people wich is also a stupid idea.

I also wonder if we see a time-skip in the beginning of Chapter 4 and if yes, what time-frame.
 

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I think I have a quite stupid question, but I'll have to ask anyways since I can't figure it out. I can set the Auto-forward-time in the settings, but how do I turn Auto-forward on?

Thanks in advance.
In Chapter 1 you can't if I'm not mistaken or at least I don't see an option for that. Chapter 2 and 3 have that option but I'm unsure if that's vanilla or Lain's Mod.
 

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In Chapter 1 you can't if I'm not mistaken or at least I don't see an option for that. Chapter 2 and 3 have that option but I'm unsure if that's vanilla or Lain's Mod.
Aight thanks, I got Lain's Mod as well, but if it doesn't work that explains things. :)
 

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That's probably what's going to happen.

I still wonder how they are going to please the NTR crowd and people that want more hardcore stuff to happen or if they even going to do that at all. It's really not one of my fetishes but ehh...
Problem with things like that is that storywise it makes no sense at this point. Maybe new people wich is also a stupid idea.

I also wonder if we see a time-skip in the beginning of Chapter 4 and if yes, what time-frame.
You should just get away from the word NTR, please. In most cases it is not true. Look around here in the threat a bit. At one point Jeff Steel officially explains what NTR really is.

Back to the subject:
There are simply people who would very much like to see sex with other men in DMD. These are the original fans of DMD, of whom there are hardly any left here in the thread. Incidentally, this game was originally planned with more content that also includes other men. Elena, for example, should, if you decide against her, have sex with Adam. There was also some planned for the farmer boy. Some was planned with the other photographer, not Ryan. I can't think of his name right now. And much more. There are even people now who would like to have their own game with Elena. Well, that wouldn't have been necessary if only DMD had been allowed to develop as it was originally planned.

So what happened? Well, the same thing that happened to Bigbrother. At some point, more and more people came along who always expected that only the MC would get everything. And on the other hand, scream NTR when a woman has sex with another man in a game. Even if it's her own husband. The same people have no problem with "taking away" other men 's women in games, even though that is exactly the NTR. Unfortunately, the developer allowed himself to be persuaded and changed his plans a lot. Today's DMD is not even close to what was once planned.

Of course there was a lot of argument. And at the end of CH3 it escalated so far that the developer finally had an understanding, worked out a compromise and in the end added a few scenes with other men. And even provides some for CH4. Actually, because of the “any other guys dick hater”, he wanted to delete such content entirely. Although they were actually always planned. Many games have simply been messed up this way. Now also DMD. It's not the first time. And it will definitely not be the last time.

And that is the real reason why NTR hater, or "Any other guys dick hater", as I call them, because they are really just that, are so hated here in this forum. It is not due to their de facto hostility towards content with other men. That has long been accepted, everyone has their own personal taste. It is due to their behavior, generally specifically picking out all games that are planned with cheating, sharing, NTR, etc., implanting their threads, constantly dragging on alleged NTR, even though they usually don't even know what NTR really is, and then get developers to change their plans. Because that happens all the time.

Maybe now you understand.
 
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