RustyV

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Most of Michelangelo's work was what he was commissioned to paint and had to stay within the confines of his patrons and Church canon (the international ideology running cancel couture of the time) and he was still a great artist.
 

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thats different:
- artist need money
- get a commission, the patron tells what he want
- artist feel enthusiastic and inspiration. even if he didnt decide to make this art, its still his hands that creates it.

but what we have here is:
- artist is creating something, he start to "paint"
- people start to complain, no, u cant use purple color, u should use green.
- artist stop using purple, he knows he will anger the mob if he continues to use it.
- artist is now using green, but its hard to make it right, its not what he had in mind.

as a dev I know how hard is to "change", from a inspiration and motivation perspective.
I have an idea, but people are telling me I cant. it will feel forced to do what others want.
that a killer for me. I need to find other motivation forces. like "good rates", "lots of patrons", "money"
but its still not the same as the initial idea. thats the creative part of me, the other is just skills.
 

hzjujk

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DMD was pretty much my first erotic game. The girl was cute and the story promised to be exciting.
Also all fetishes were ok for me as long as I could vote them out.
But the story has lost more and more momentum for me. That is certainly also due to the route I followed,
but not only! I played the route "daughter only" for much of the story. On the one hand, that was because
I was of the opinion that if a girl takes the risk of having such a relationship with her father,
she shouldn't be cheated on with her best friends (But there wasn’t a bad ending because they’ve all
always been lesbians!?!?). And Georgina (also surprisingly with lesbian tendencies) was always too "plastic"
for me.
But that is also a point of history. Too many conflicts are resolved without anyone having to pay for them.
Even with Rachel, the potential for conflict has been minimized.
But what I also want to say is that, although I haven't "cheated" on the girl so far, I have no problem with
hardcore scenes as long as the two experience them together and use the other as their sex toys.
In the game "Deliverance", for example, that was implemented in an acceptable and erotic way for me.
 
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streach

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Ok so as I have gathered, any and all choices for D to win the Competition simply had no point? Why create choices that dont have a meaning? I love the game but having choices that are supposed to do something that dont are a waste. Just my Opinion.
 

Uthuriel

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Ok so as I have gathered, any and all choices for D to win the Competition simply had no point? Why create choices that dont have a meaning? I love the game but having choices that are supposed to do something that dont are a waste. Just my Opinion.
I would call it a trope. There are other games like PL as an example where your daughter Ada doesn't win either.
 
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But the story has lost more and more momentum for me. That is certainly also due to the route I followed,
but not only! I played the route "daughter only" for much of the story. On the one hand, that was because
I was of the opinion that if a girl takes the risk of having such a relationship with her father,
she shouldn't be cheated on with her best friends (But there wasn’t a bad ending because they’ve all
always been lesbians!?!?). And Georgina (also surprisingly with lesbian tendencies) was always too "plastic"
for me.
As storylines branch, momentum is lost. The limiting factor in ALL indy games is developer time. You can either have a scene added to four different branches or four scenes added to one branch (give or take a few percentage points in asset reusability) in a given amount of time..... that's one reason I cringe whenever some developer rolls up with his first game and a blurb about how "YOUR CHOICES MATTER!!!1!!"..... yeah, that's kinda fun, but I'd rather have one long, well-developed story lines than two story lines 50-70% as long, and that I have to replay the whole game in order to view.

The lesbian stuff is basically what people want. (I'm generally not a fan of excessive amounts of naked dudes cluttering up my screen when I'm trying to fap, so personally I'm very happywith things going in a more lesbo direction.) Competing girls deciding to fuck each other instead of hate each other is one of the oldest tropes in pornography. It's shit from a writing point of view for many reasons, but it's great as a fantasy-- it's something that almost never happens in real life, so porn is our opportunity to enjoy it.

But that is also a point of history. Too many conflicts are resolved without anyone having to pay for them.
Even with Rachel, the potential for conflict has been minimized.
Yeah, because conflicts make for good writing but lousy porn. In this particular game, the balance is all tilted toward porn. I'm ok with that, since I don't play this game for the writing. (Frankly I find it tepid.... the prose is mediocre at best, the plots are silly and predictable, and the dialogue is like something from a smutty version of an after-school special. But the pacing is good and the porn is hot, so I'm basically happy with the product and send Mr Dots a few shekels every month.)

If you want a great example of an H-game where the porn-vs-plot dial is twisted hard the other way (i.e. the porn suffers if it will make for better writing), try this one.

But what I also want to say is that, although I haven't "cheated" on the girl so far, I have no problem with
hardcore scenes as long as the two experience them together and use the other as their sex toys.
In the game "Deliverance", for example, that was implemented in an acceptable and erotic way for me.
Yeah, you're on a minority path, sir. Since it is not nearly as popular as the harem lines, it gets less attention from the developers for the reasons discussed above.

Have you checked out Melody? Same development team, similar strengths and weaknesses as this game, but very focused on 1:1 relationships. I've found it to be a notch above DMD, although it lacks the spiciness of the taboo premise.
 

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I for one don't want the lesbian content. Only time I want lesbian content is if I am playing a female protagonist and the scene is just my character and a single LI.
 

buff

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I for one don't want the lesbian content. Only time I want lesbian content is if I am playing a female protagonist and the scene is just my character and a single LI.
LOL..... Team Ellie member detected. :brofist:
 
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UncleFredo

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I would call it a trope. There are other games like PL as an example where your daughter Ada doesn't win either.
There are multiple paths in PL with at least one where Ada does win. If you haven't found it you might want to explore that game a bit more.
 

Uthuriel

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There are multiple paths in PL with at least one where Ada does win. If you haven't found it you might want to explore that game a bit more.
Interesting. I didn't know that. Which one is it?

I only go for the full harem path when I play.

When I'm at an all-you-can-eat buffet I don't limit myself to one food item, if you catch my drift.
 
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UncleFredo

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Interesting. I didn't know that. Which one is it?

I only go for the full harem path when I play.

When I'm at an all-you-can-eat buffet I don't limit myself to one food item, if you catch my drift.
I haven't played the VN in a while, but IIRC it has to do with how intimate you've been with her before the final match. That's best recollection and my memory may be faulty.
 

Uthuriel

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I haven't played the VN in a while, but IIRC it has to do with how intimate you've been with her before the final match. That's best recollection and my memory may be faulty.
Hmm.. It's been a while since I played too but I'm 100% sure that I used Lain's Mod that time and she still lost.
So maybe it's one of the other endings. IDK but I'll keep it in mind next time I play it.
 

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depends on what the progress is.
progress to make her a pet = none
progress to make her a cumdump = none
progress to make her do bestiality = none
progress to make her a cheating whore = none

those progress are of course not on the menu, but we can still decide the progress we want even if it will never happen.

but we have:
progress to do BDSM = a bit, latex and analplugs can be used.
progress to share her with another dude = yes, with 2 different, with penetration
progress to do a 3some with another dude = yes, we can choose that when we share her.
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