HTML Degrees of Lewdity [v0.5.1.3] [Vrelnir]

[Midge]

I will add my 5 cents to Midge's reply, as I started this current discussion by making an observation to them that a lot of frustration with this games comes from players who wish to play it as a manly boy and are unable to find many ways to do so, because despite the advertised sandboxy and highly customizable character of this game, it really isn't. And as Midge rightly observed, the premise of the game is "play[ing] an 18-year-old boy or girl in a town full of people with lewd intentions: go[ing] to school and find[ing] honest work, turn[ing] to a life of crime, or sell[ing] your body in more carnal ways.

The game has strong sexual themes, and lots of sex in general. You can choose the gender of the people who'll be attracted to you, and fetishes such as tentacles can be toggled off in settings."

Nowhere it says that regardless of which sex (I am not using the term 'gender (identity)' here on purpose) you choose, you'll be pretty much a bottom bitch with more or less luck in trying hard not to be one... or simply enjoying your degradation. A newcomer player has to find this out themselves.

And again, as much as I enjoy this game as a quite compelling sexual trauma (soft) simulator with one of the most advanced sexual encounter interface that a text-based game can offer, I can understand the frustration of those players who wish to play this game as straight, assertive boys valiantly overcoming adversity, only to find out that the toggle 'percentage of women attracted to you' means how many out of all sexual assaults you are going to suffer will be perpetrated by women... with strapons, if you want to make it more menacing. Those same players are then asking the author to add a gun store to the Shopping Centre or at least a sports equipment outlet where they could purchase a baseball bat, coz they've had just about all the buggery they would handle.

At the very basic, sex-combat level, the male sexual actions that the PC can perform aren't really there, while the female PC has almost the entire repertoire of such actions, even including a foot job, which is a skill rarer than triple deep throat. The PC's penis is not a penis as long as their penetrating with it is considered an act of submission. Interestingly enough, females using strapons (which are prosthetic dicks, after all) on the PC will be considered the dominant (topping) party. If sexual fantasies and enjoyment one can derive from this game are to be plausible then we should all agree that a boy is not just a flat-chested girl with a dick slapped on and that said dick is basically just a protruding or prolapsed vagina for the PC, a receptacle to other people's lust, while the NPCs' dicks (real and rubber ones alike) represent all the dominant phallic might that they posses. Penile virginity? Really? Never thought that phimosis is equivalent of a hymen. In the male submission / sissification / transformation genre NOT using one's dick is considered submissive, not the other way around. Why then wearing a chastity cage is equal to wearing a chastity belt, which is protection from other people's sexual advances?

Eh i kind of agree and kind of don't. Yes this game seems more geared towards playing as a female but only because some of the stuff "doesn't make sense" if you are a male if viewed like that. There isn't any "male only PC" content that would push away from this veiw. But males can be raped and victimised too just as females can be the aggressor and dominant one so i don't WHOLEY agree with what you are saying, only mostly.

 

[madchef]

But males can be raped and victimised too just as females can be the aggressor and dominant one so i don't WHOLEY agree with what you are saying, only mostly.

Of course they can, it just doesn't happen by naïve sexual role-reversal that the current sex combat offers. To give you an example from real life: I was returning home on my bike yesterday evening when a gang of six chavettes walking on the Grand Canal's towpath and taking its entire width tried to intercept me, with the most daring of these girls stretching her arms wide as I was getting closer. All I had to do is to shout 'Are you sure about this?' for her to come to her senses in the last second and yield. Did she try to dominate me? Yes, she kinda did.

Was I upset? Yes, for a second there, I kinda was. Was it because I thought the female gang could physically overpower me, should the situation get out of hand? No. Did I feel sexually threatened by their youthful tomfoolery? No. If anything, I was afraid that I might react too harsh to their stupid behaviour and by becoming too aggressive harm them and thus get myself in trouble. Are you getting the gist of male-female power dynamics that I am trying to convey here? And that it could be implemented in the game, to make female-to-male acts of dominance and sexual taking advantage of more 'grown-up'? Unless the stated age of the PC is there just to serve as a disclaimer against accusations of underage content. And your boy or girl will be 18 in about 10 years time

 

[tester72]

I have 2 questions:

Is there a way to remove tatoos? I had a run in Remy's farm and would really like to get rid of all this nonsense on my body.

Also is there a way to increase promiscunity (or however this is spelled)? I would like to explore the brothel's options but i need more of it.

 

[ladguru]

I have 2 questions:

Is there a way to remove tatoos? I had a run in Remy's farm and would really like to get rid of all this nonsense on my body.

→ Hospital

Also is there a way to increase promiscunity (or however this is spelled)? I would like to explore the brothel's options but i need more of it.

Do stuff that requires promiscuity. These actions are labeled "Promiscuity 1/2/3…".
At first you can only do "Promiscuity 1". If you repeat it enough you can do more.
But other stats might be also required to get there.

 

[Midge]

Also is there a way to increase promiscunity (or however this is spelled)? I would like to explore the brothel's options but i need more of it.

The best way to get promiscurity quickly is to hit the Pub. You will get to level 2-3 very quickly while also working on your seduction skill. But the school offers abit towards this if you want to get it in a more "natural" way.

 

[blackaddar]

Imma number and run through.

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Oh and can you please tell me the "correct" way to play this game told to you by Vrelnir and not just inferred by you or others? I'm affraid me and many others might be doing it wrong and we can't have that.
I'm going to start hiding my long ass responses so peeps don't have to scroll past it for ages and those who want to can read it and those who don't, don't have to. You're welcome

Your examples are wrong!(because i don't like how they destroy the point i'm making

This is all I needed to take away from your ranting. You claim to have played the game front and back and yet you're deliberately cherry-picking the events I brought up in order to prove a point.

Your "trap card" was useless and cringe because you obviously didn't see my last two sentences.

Thank you for spoilering your responses so I don't have to look at them anymore.

 

[Midge]

Of course they can, it just doesn't happen by naïve sexual role-reversal that the current sex combat offers. To give you an example from real life: I was returning home on my bike yesterday evening when a gang of six chavettes walking on the Grand Canal's towpath and taking its entire width tried to intercept me, with the most daring of these girls stretching her arms wide as I was getting closer. All I had to do is to shout 'Are you sure about this?' for her to come to her senses in the last second and yield. Did she try to dominate me? Yes, she kinda did.

Was I upset? Yes, for a second there, I kinda was. Was it because I thought the female gang could physically overpower me, should the situation get out of hand? No. Did I feel sexually threatened by their youthful tomfoolery? No. If anything, I was afraid that I might react too harsh to their stupid behaviour and by becoming too aggressive harm them and thus get myself in trouble. Are you getting the gist of male-female power dynamics that I am trying to convey here? And that it could be implemented in the game, to make female-to-male acts of dominance and sexual taking advantage of more 'grown-up'? Unless the stated age of the PC is there just to serve as a disclaimer against accusations of underage content. And your boy or girl will be 18 in about 10 years time

I can see what you are are saying. What I don't get is "it just doesn't happen by naïve sexual role-reversal that the current sex combat offers" And to me offering a RL solution/experiance(no offence) or what you would like to see from a RL perspective added in-game, doesn't help me understand. Can you give an example found in-game in said combat/encounters please?
"Unless the stated age of the PC is there just to serve as a disclaimer against accusations of underage content" i belive this to be the case along with people dressed as animals. I'm my mind the PC is about 14-16 but i understand people will have their own mindset for this(ie a 1000yo immortal).

 

[Midge]

This is all I needed to take away from your ranting. You claim to have played the game front and back and yet you're deliberately cherry-picking the events I brought up in order to prove a point.

Your "trap card" was useless and cringe because you obviously didn't see my last two sentences.

Thank you for spoilering your responses so I don't have to look at them anymore.

I'm pretty sure i covered ALL your points not just some. Well when i brought up my own you dismissed them as being wrong out of hand. And so i was forced to destroy more of your shoddy logic instead.
Oh and i read your posts quite carefully. So i'll get that last comment out of the way first. These were your last 2 sentences as far as i could tell.
Part 6) was " Sam's event is not dominant and neither is the bully event " which i rebutted by saying a helpfull act can also be a dominant one depending on how you go about it(your cherry not mine). Same with the "food fetish" example(also your cherry). And 7) was your assertion of Vrelnirs position on dominance " Because YOU, as a PC, aren't supposed to win or have an upper hand." and i countered with asking you wheither you got this info from Vrelnir himself or were just more assertions on your part while offering infomation on Vrelnir's actual plans to add a Dojo to help with fighting.
And if you just mean 7) as being your last 2 sentences i covered both any way just to be sure. Now are you going to answer my questions to you or not. And i'd only said i'd spoil my long posts. And speaking of cringe "i'm sub-Batmaaaaaan. Mistress."

 

[madchef]

Can you give an example found in-game in said combat/encounters please?

Sure, I'll be more than happy to oblige. I'll prepare a bunch of examples later today or tomorrow to show you what I mean by 'feminine-biased' sex combat with a few suggestions on how a male-route sexual combat could (and should, in my 'problematic' opinion) look like, both red/brown (Defiant/Bratty) and purple/pink (Submissive/Meek) tints of lewdity.

PS: A 14-16 yo boy I'd still find too big to be sexually 'assaultable' by a woman. But hey, what do I know, already at 193cms height and 90kgs weight at that age? All she could do was to get drunk, seduce a sexually frustrated underage boy and regret it the morning after.

 

[NoStepOnSnek]

PS: A 14-16 yo boy I'd still find too big to be sexually 'assaultable' by a woman. But hey, what do I know, already at 193cms height and 90kgs weight at that age? All she could do was to get drunk, seduce a sexually frustrated underage boy and regret it the morning after.

Ah yes, the 99th percentile of adult male height should clearly be the basis for this kind of discussion

 

[Sphere42]

I was returning home on my bike yesterday evening when a gang of six chavettes walking on the Grand Canal's towpath and taking its entire width tried to intercept me, with the most daring of these girls stretching her arms wide as I was getting closer. All I had to do is to shout 'Are you sure about this?' for her to come to her senses in the last second and yield. Did she try to dominate me? Yes, she kinda did.

Dude SIX attackers are more than enough to take you down if they even vaguely put their mind to it. Unless you're a world-class martial arts pro or something. Even then you need to avoid getting surrounded or one of them will simply kick you in the balls.

IRL social conditioning drives women away from violence even when it would succeed or they could equalise their disadvantage via e.g. weapons. But the vast majority of men are not violent rapists either, a fact which is clearly changed for the game even if you play as a female with only male NPCs.

It's not about being a man or a woman, in this game you're not the RPG hero but the noname NPC merchant who has to fend off lvl30+ monsters with a wooden stick and harsh words while your business constantly gets ruined by some weird kid with spiky hair smashing everything to bits. You're a teen in a world of monsters not a man in amazon lands.

 

[Midge]

Dude SIX attackers are more than enough to take you down if they even vaguely put their mind to it. Unless you're a world-class martial arts pro or something. Even then you need to avoid getting surrounded or one of them will simply kick you in the balls.

IRL social conditioning drives women away from violence even when it would succeed or they could equalise their disadvantage via e.g. weapons. But the vast majority of men are not violent rapists either, a fact which is clearly changed for the game even if you play as a female with only male NPCs.

It's not about being a man or a woman, in this game you're not the RPG hero but the noname NPC merchant who has to fend off lvl30+ monsters with a wooden stick and harsh words while your business constantly gets ruined by some weird kid with spiky hair smashing everything to bits. You're a teen in a world of monsters not a man in amazon lands.

One of the reasons i don't like overlaying RL(it's of course fine to "base" a game in the RL and get insperation from it) and the Game world. All bets are off in-game. A baby can take down tanks in a game.

 

[ladguru]

All bets are off in-game. A baby can take down tanks in a game.

Yeah, sure. But that does not mean you can put tank busting babies into every game and expect it to work well.

 

[blackaddar]

Now are you going to answer my questions to you or not.

No. I can find better ways to spend my time other than extending the useless back and forth banter. Like playing DoL.

 

[Kinky_One]

Guys... it's a porn game. The reality of the scenarios are way less important then the fetishes to which they catter. And DoL does catter to a more... maybe not 100% submissive, but more of a reactive type of action. You can be a bratty and punch anyone that tries to rape you, but they are still trying to rape you. And yes, you can aways rob homes or seduce people on certain spots (would mind more of the latter, for sure), but there is aways a risk. You may be attacked. You may want to back out and they won't take it. Besides, you are only doing all that to pay Bailey, not because you want to be some legendary whore or anything.

 

[Sphere42]

Guys... it's a porn game. The reality of the scenarios are way less important then the fetishes to which they catter. And DoL does catter to a more... maybe not 100% submissive, but more of a reactive type of action. You can be a bratty and punch anyone that tries to rape you, but they are still trying to rape you. And yes, you can aways rob homes or seduce people on certain spots (would mind more of the latter, for sure), but there is aways a risk. You may be attacked. You may want to back out and they won't take it. Besides, you are only doing all that to pay Bailey, not because you want to be some legendary whore or anything.

Sure, the entire game casts you as the underdog and no one denies that. But you wouldn't ask for a submissive route in a sexual conquest or slave training game either, would you?

The risk of being attacked is present in plenty of "dominance" games too, only the vast majority of them do not give you the option of having sex with the gangsters, werewolves or killbots. Granted them taking sexual initiative is kinda rare too especially if you don't count the occasional "charm" or "drain kiss" from succubus-type enemies.

I definitely agree there could be more seduction/consensual options but honestly there are a decent number which DON'T involve prostitution so unless you view those purely as "training" or "stat boosts" they actually are additional content outside of Bailey's extortion (or the alternatives). The game has no ending so becoming a legendary whore, a vicious wolf-fucking beastman or a sex slave in a dungeon are all equally valid goals for the players to set for themselves.

 

[Midge]

Guys... it's a porn game. The reality of the scenarios are way less important then the fetishes to which they catter. And DoL does catter to a more... maybe not 100% submissive, but more of a reactive type of action. You can be a bratty and punch anyone that tries to rape you, but they are still trying to rape you. And yes, you can aways rob homes or seduce people on certain spots (would mind more of the latter, for sure), but there is aways a risk. You may be attacked. You may want to back out and they won't take it. Besides, you are only doing all that to pay Bailey, not because you want to be some legendary whore or anything.

Um...yeah i know. I see it more as a porn GAME though. Read my review

 

[Midge]

Sure, the entire game casts you as the underdog and no one denies that. But you wouldn't ask for a submissive route in a sexual conquest or slave training game either, would you?

Maybe. It depends on how comprehensive the game is. I usually try to not make "generalities" when talking about a game when specifics would work better. I want to know what YOU see this game as. Do you see this game as being purely a submissive experiance? And why? I mostly agree with the rest of what you said. And is asking for more(of anything) a bad thing?

 

[YetAnotherUser]

Gee, I don't even know who I support or what I stand for anymore. Gotta go get some popcorn. The ride seem to be long.

 

[madchef]

OK guys, here are my brief observations from playing just the 1st day of the game as a boy.

First, the game's combat tutorial explains the actions:

There are three common ways to escape an attacker; fight them off, sexually satisfy them, or be rescued. Defiant (red) acts will hurt them. Hurt them enough and you'll escape. However, defiant acts will anger them, making them more violent.

They'll be happy to use you as a passive toy, but submissive (purple) acts will make them cum faster. Once spent, they'll usually leave you alone. Some submissive acts will occupy their genitals, so they can't use them in more dangerous ways.

Meek (pink) acts will endear you to them without being directly sexual. Meek acts will make them trust you more, and often have effects which may help you.

Bratty (brown) acts protect you in ways that defies your attacker's will without hurting them. Bratty acts will reduce trust and increase anger.

Finally, you could scream (brown) for help. Whether it will help or make things worse depends on who's around to hear. Screaming at night or in the wilderness will only anger your attacker. You won't be able to scream (or speak) if your attacker has you gagged. For this encounter, screaming will get you rescued. Each part of your body can perform one action per turn. Choose your actions, then click next or press enter to continue.

Now, setting the game with high female to male attraction, here's what I got:

Submissive acts:

- kissing (regardless of body part)
- stroking (regardless of body part)
- rubbing your butt against a woman's face
- penetrating a pussy
- teasing a pussy with penis
- pressing feet against a pussy
- enveloping a strap-on with anus
- pressing penis against a woman's anus
- cooperating with a female anus penetrated by your penis, meaning actively ass-fucking a woman
- cooperating with a strap-on penetrating your anus

Meek acts:

- pleading
- pressing your butt against a woman's mouth
- frotting against clit
- moaning 'do I look tasty?' to a female animal

I am not sure how divorced from reality you want your fantasies to be, but there is an ocean of a difference between fucking someone in the ass and getting fucked in the ass yourself. And no, no one will consider you a softie if you press your butt against their face and rub it in. And pressing your foot against a pussy is a very dominant move, believe me.

Defiant acts:

- punching
- kicking
- struggling

Bratty acts:

- screaming
- covering your penis from a woman's view
- pulling your butt away from a woman's mouth

Right, poor little boy whose weenie and cute little as those lecherous women all want to see and kiss...

First Combat's result:

You feel more confident in your ability to give pleasure with your anus (by letting a woman perform a tossed salad on you). All this time I though that getting rimmed is was about receiving, not giving pleasure.

I increased submissiveness by 17 points, again by letting a woman lick your butt. Now tell me this, with your Hands maxed out and submissiveness high (low?) enough will the male PCs stoop down to fisting women? Which form of fisting should feel more humiliating to them? Vaginal, anal, oral?

I then went to swim in the ocean and having reached the rock I could make a top out of seaweed. Why would a boy even think about covering their nipples if he's not interested in cross-dressing? Should a boy or a man be considered an exhibitionist when swimming topless?

Having been raped by an octopus and a school of female dolphins I fainted, only to be discovered washed ashore by a group of 3 girls. Soon another round of debauchery ensued. I let one girl fuck me with a strapon while I buggered the other.

"Your penis is ruthlessly fucked by their ass. You awkwardly push back against the movements."

The pain overwhelms you. | + + Willpower
You are in too much pain to act normally.

Now, isn't it just comedy gold, or am I simply not kinky enough to imagine the other girl's bowels are lined with barbed-wire? Because the exquisite pain couldn't have been caused by the pegging: she promised she'd be gentle with my ass.

In order to regain some control and dignity I went to the Brothel, just to learn to dance and undress in front of public. Memories of all those horrible experiences (she 'made' me fuck her ass and came from it, the horror the horror!) soon faded and I was in full control, serene and fine.

First day summary:

Submissiveness gain +164
Masochism gain +12
6 orgasms experienced
7 active (PCs penis in NPCs orifice) penetrations (1 anal on human female, 5 vaginal on dolphin female and 1 on tentacle)
3 passive (anal) penetrations
1 passive analingus acts (considered being orally penetrated)
17 dances resulting in exhibitionism raising from lv. 0 to 3.

Can anybody else here see that this is faaaaaaar removed from male sexual experiences, even in the realms of wild uninhibited fantasies? And that the main reason for that is that choosing a PCs gender doesn't change anything in this game beyond pronouns, dressing options and changing genitalia sprites. The paperdoll's anatomy is not that of a male.