VN Ren'Py Completed Deliverance [Final] [1Thousand]

[Avaron1974]

But they are... quite often
For some "characters" to be satisfied:
Woman must be a virgin... or at least had sex many years ago, had no orgasm, dick was super small (only for milfs)

I have to admit, the more time passes the dumber the anti NTR lot seem to get with their nonsense.

I completely forgot about another game where a few people complained because the game "felt like" NTR could happen. There is no NTR at all, dev has said there will never be NTR but a guy wanted the story changed because the feeling NTR could happen was putting him off.

Also reminds me of Summer with Mia 2 and the people complaining about the Aunts flashbacks from 20 years ago claiming those were NTR. They were optional and they were stories from her school years.

I think some people on here just heard NTR one day and then try and label everything with it. It's like that Anita Sarkeesian rant ... "everything is racist, everything is sexist" .... except here everything is NTR.

NTR haters and SJW's sure do seem to have an awful lot in common.

Similar rants, both feel entitled to have things changed to suit them, both loud as fuck and everywhere with their opinions.

Woman must be a virgin

I did want to try and give them the benefit of doubt on this one but then I remember all the threads i've read complaining the older women weren't virgins and the recent discovery on Intertwined that some people hate Erynn because she's had sex.

I first started arguing with the extreme anti NTR crowd earlier last year because they started trying to bully devs into changing their content (and calling people toxic if they didn't agree with them despite the fact they were actively trying to bully people online). At first I just thought they were a bit unreasonable and occasionally made dumb posts but a year later I realise they are delusional as fuck and quite possibly have something wrong upstairs.

I don't even mean that last part as a joke. Some of the posts I see them make are unhinged.

 

[cxx]

Why would NTR haters have a complaint about a game where sharing is optional?

That's dumb as fuck.

But they are... quite often

^THIS

I have to admit, the more time passes the dumber the anti NTR lot seem to get with their nonsense.

again correct.

 

[bandyta80]

I first started arguing with the extreme anti NTR crowd earlier last year because they started trying to bully devs into changing their content (and calling people toxic if they didn't agree with them despite the fact they were actively trying to bully people online). At first I just thought they were a bit unreasonable and occasionally made dumb posts but a year later I realise they are delusional as fuck and quite possibly have something wrong upstairs.

I don't even mean that last part as a joke. Some of the posts I see them make are unhinged.

WTF? ...
the opponents felt so offended by the developers for the content of the NTR?

maybe they still write letters to sony that they make games that murder people and call them criminals or boycott Netflix haha

they're some morons who think they're really male protagonist and in games they have a girlfriend, because in real life they probably don't

make games in the climate of NTR and have a fuck with such losers

 

[Aristos]

Now a serious question aimed at sharing fans:
Since everyone agrees that Kat was such an awesome and incomparable wife, doesn't it bother you even a little that the sharing involved for the most part some despicable and revolting sleazebags?
I'm curious.

 

[GetOutOfMyLab]

Now a serious question aimed at sharing fans:
Since everyone agrees that Kat was such an awesome and incomparable wife, doesn't it bother you even a little that the sharing involved for the most part some despicable and revolting sleazebags?
I'm curious.

Yes. I would have preferred something more believable.

 

[bandyta80]

Hunter is such a bastard that she had to explain to him where to put it

besides, no one has to share Kat who doesn't want to, after all, it's an optional route

everyone plays as they like

anyway, I'm not talking about the analysis of her partners, but about the fact of putting pressure on developers not to make routes in games

 

[moskyx]

Is worth mentioning that some of the "NTR fans" also pressure devs to include degrading scenes or not-exactly-handsome male partners, while others wanted to keep some constraints on what Kat would do in those scenes. I think that making the sharing route's scenes became a chore after a while due to the constant conflict between the two factions on top of the anti-NTR crowd, and it showed. In fact, the dev stated that he just wasn't feeling it anymore. That was also a factor in his decision to not include that kind of content in his new project.

 

[Avaron1974]

Now a serious question aimed at sharing fans:
Since everyone agrees that Kat was such an awesome and incomparable wife, doesn't it bother you even a little that the sharing involved for the most part some despicable and revolting sleazebags?
I'm curious.

I admit that was the main reason that put me off the sharing route.

That and Kat being probably the best wife i've seen in any VN.

I have seen the scenes with the gallery mod and I do see why people love that route. It has, probably, one of the better hotwife routes. She's always totally devoted to her husband, even talking to him during sex how much she loves him that it gives fans of that gene something they enjoy.

Sadly too many hotwife games go the route of Adventurous Couple and it stops being about the couple spicing up their sex life and turns into just another corruption slut maker.

 

[GetOutOfMyLab]

Is worth mentioning that some of the "NTR fans" also pressure devs to include degrading scenes or not-exactly-handsome male partners, while others wanted to keep some constraints on what Kat would do in those scenes. I think that the sharing route became a chore after a while due to the constant conflict between the two factions on top of the anti-NTR crowd, and it showed. In fact, the dev stated that he just wasn't feeling it anymore. That was also a factor in his decision to not include that kind of content in his new project.

I don't think I really saw that in this thread and definitely not on his discord. But maybe DMs. I dunno. I always just prefer devs stick with their vision. It's fine to take suggestions, but when it greatly deviates from the plan the dev had, then I'm not about that.

Either way, he's made his decision so, not much else to say about that.

 

[GetOutOfMyLab]

Sadly too many hotwife games go the route of Adventurous Couple and it stops being about the couple spicing up their sex life and turns into just another corruption slut maker.

I still play it...but it's bad. Just all over the place.

 

[bandyta80]

Is worth mentioning that some of the "NTR fans" also pressure devs to include degrading scenes or not-exactly-handsome male partners, while others wanted to keep some constraints on what Kat would do in those scenes. I think that making the sharing route's scenes became a chore after a while due to the constant conflict between the two factions on top of the anti-NTR crowd, and it showed. In fact, the dev stated that he just wasn't feeling it anymore. That was also a factor in his decision to not include that kind of content in his new project.

two separate routes and it is done in two variants, for both factions. And that's fair.

if he resigned, it was clear who was exerting the pressure

fans of NTR or Sharing will not be satisfied

 

[moskyx]

two separate routes and it is done in two variants, for both factions. And that's fair.

if he resigned, it was clear who was exerting the pressure

fans of NTR or Sharing will not be satisfied

I'm not saying that the discussions between the NTR/sharing fans pushed him to make that decision. The main factor is that he believes that this content was actually hurting his finances, or at least didn't help him to get more support. But it's also true that he grew tired of the double war, and I can't blame him. I was a patron when he announced that and I must say that some comments were... too insistent an not supportive at all

 

[bandyta80]

I, as a supporter of such fetishes, am certainly not happy, but I certainly will not force anyone to change the project, it's his game and his business how he will do it. whether it will pay off remains to be seen

 

[Jadon Sancho]

During about a year as a supporter of 1thousand I've noticed that "Kat sharing" always wins in the special rendering polls, even always winning overwhelmingly.
Still don't understand why he decided to remove the sharing option in his new game.

 

[criestoomuch]

Now a serious question aimed at sharing fans:
Since everyone agrees that Kat was such an awesome and incomparable wife, doesn't it bother you even a little that the sharing involved for the most part some despicable and revolting sleazebags?
I'm curious.

No. It was never about them. It was always about her enjoyment. Plus it really helped that there was always an equally good vanilla scene to balance everything out. So, I never had a reason to look at anything with a critical lens. I only wish we'd gotten the phone scene. And maybe another scene with the boss. Her saying I love you to the MC was great but, part of me felt like it sent the wrong message. So, her being dominated was really hot.

 

[Canto Forte]

We all have to recognize that Kat has always been opinionated and a strong female influence in the plot.
We have to also recognize that getting away from the boss was a paramount moment for her,
especially as she knew said boss was exerting his dominance, which he had none with her,
to get sexual favors from other women, so no, the part with sharing with the asshole who was
the reason of her getting away from the office and fully into MC arms had no place in this game.

Also, this game introduced the sharing with the best colegue and his wife, actual propper sharing
with actual fleshed out human beings, no more disgustiong tropes of brain dead sleazeballs.

This is one of the more elaborate plots for sharing in a more elevated way than the town bycicle.

two separate routes and it is done in two variants, for both factions. And that's fair.

if he resigned, it was clear who was exerting the pressure

fans of NTR or Sharing will not be satisfied

I'm not saying that the discussions between the NTR/sharing fans pushed him to make that decision. The main factor is that he believes that this content was actually hurting his finances, or at least didn't help him to get more support. But it's also true that he grew tired of the double war, and I can't blame him. I was a patron when he announced that and I must say that some comments were... too insistent an not supportive at all

I, as a supporter of such fetishes, am certainly not happy, but I certainly will not force anyone to change the project, it's his game and his business how he will do it. whether it will pay off remains to be seen

During about a year as a supporter of 1thousand I've noticed that "Kat sharing" always wins in the special rendering polls, even always winning overwhelmingly.
Still don't understand why he decided to remove the sharing option in his new game.

No. It was never about them. It was always about her enjoyment. Plus it really helped that there was always an equally good vanilla scene to balance everything out. So, I never had a reason to look at anything with a critical lens. I only wish we'd gotten the phone scene. And maybe another scene with the boss. Her saying I love you to the MC was great but, part of me felt like it sent the wrong message. So, her being dominated was really hot.

Yes, there were scenes that for me never fit the plot, like letting gamers decide how the most important girl in the game
would pleasure actual enemies of the MC and dudes who immagined themselves stealing Kat in those scenes,
so I believe the NTR fans looking for brain dead disgusting sex to demean and/or belittle MC or his wife sure had their fun.

 

[camube]

I'm pretty early on in this game, and I'd like to ask a clarification on the dynamic in case I missed it.

Is the MC and his wife Katherine on an open relationship from the beginning of the game or is the first time the MC have the opportunity to have sex with Sarah or Rose the MC is cheating?

Even early on the encounter in this game with the women always lead to sex so I'm wondering whether MC is doing it behind Katherine's back or are they open?

I haven't progress to MC scenes with other women yet but would like the clarification before playing further.

 

[Avaron1974]

I'm pretty early on in this game, and I'd like to ask a clarification on the dynamic in case I missed it.

Is the MC and his wife Katherine on an open relationship from the beginning of the game or is the first time the MC have the opportunity to have sex with Sarah or Rose the MC is cheating?

Even early on the encounter in this game with the women always lead to sex so I'm wondering whether MC is doing it behind Katherine's back or are they open?

I haven't progress to MC scenes with other women yet but would like the clarification before playing further.

Not at the start, no.

Everything with the other girls until later on is cheating.

The open relationship doesn't start until about the 3rd update and she won't do anything unless MC allows her.

Basically, you can give her permission to blow a guy in an alley, he's watching them have sex. Then you talk about possible future sharing.

However, if you want to end up with one of the other girls then you'll have to cheat on and eventually break up with Kat.

 

[camube]

Not at the start, no.

Everything with the other girls until later on is cheating.

The open relationship doesn't start until about the 3rd update and she won't do anything unless MC allows her.

Basically, you can give her permission to blow a guy in an alley, he's watching them have sex. Then you talk about possible future sharing.

However, if you want to end up with one of the other girls then you'll have to cheat on and eventually break up with Kat.

Thanks!

I really don't want MC to cheat on Katherine but "just hanging out" with other women leads to sex scenes immediately on this game, unlike, you know let's say Intertwined where there are periods to get to know the other people first before they delve into adult business.

 

[Deleted member 2001147]

There is a reason behind Kat's sharing scenes with sleazebags. They are situations where the male's physique is acceptable but their morals are not. Hence SEX with them is Kat's way of asserting her dominance over them and in a secondary manner MC's way of controlling the NPCs. I suspect they are also a representation of the player (who wrongly believes that he's the MC when the Dev is the actual MC), the ' voyeur' in the alleyway who jerks off to other people fucking, the old Mayor, the 'pervert' Boss, the 'virgin' Hunter, the 'Sex for Payment' Trevor, cause he can't get a woman like Kat otherwise.
Trevor: Sex for information
Boss: Sex for dominance, the rimming scene caused an uproar, but whoever's had great sex knows that it's just a part of heightened pleasure rather than eating the other's shit, try explaining that to a bunch of incels and teenagers.
Hunter: Sex for humiliation
Mayor: No SEX, Exhibitionism for information, that was a really hot scene.
Eventually they all become Kat's toys, but as I said earlier they are all subservient to her. She really gets off having them as her minions. One can also note that the black man BBC trope was never used, for the same reason.
1Thousand, in spite of himself maybe, created the perfect VN wife who concurrently was also the perfect VN hotwife. That created friction caused by the anti NTR crowd playing the sharing content in spite of the option not to and then filling the thread with their bile. After the anti NTR furore of the boss scene 1Thousand just wasn't the same. All he wanted was to finish Deliverance in the manner he had written it and move on. The subsequent sharing scenes had no 'spice', and no amount of textual review could change that.
There are also 2 MFF sharing scenes which drew very little attention or criticism. The 1st swinging scene is so out of the blue that I feel it's out of place. MMF sharing comes before Swinging generally but it seems this was more acceptable to the anti NTR crowd because not only MC was getting his own but he was written as a better lover than Charles.
At the end of the day, any Dev does this for his CV and the (extra) money. Anyone dabbling in porn Daz3D and stuff knows that creating porn VN is not an arousing experience, we don't get sexually excited by our own creations, it's just a way to make a name for ourselves and hope to rake in as much as Icstor, DPC and a few others.
That in essence is what 1Thousand is aiming to do with the second game. A completely 'original' story made with quality and regular updates that appeals to a maximum of people on Patreon, Itch.io and Steam. And NTR is obviously not part of the equation. If we look at Mircom3D, the most successful NTR dev so far, his max income peaked at $2500 pcm, Icstor on the other hand was making close to $60,000 pcm . L&P, the milker, makes more than 1Thousand ever did with less content and an end date of 2035. Hell, KingB, who's making what is generally viewed to be the best NTR VN ever on this site is only on $700 pcm. So it's really no surprise that 1Thousand prefers the route he's taken and this in spite of Deliverance 'sharing' patrons outnumbering the others 6:4.
This is pretty much my last ever post so don't expect replies. Sorry for the WoT. Enjoy the FanArt thread and add to it if you can.