DA22

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So, not only are we getting cucked by Daz 3D renders, but by real people we've never met before. How many people would have passed on being born, if life was tagged as ntr?



Can you describe, in your own words, what character development means?
Character development means growth and change. It would be character development if she had a past of spreading her legs for any man that was prepared to maintain her however big an asshole he was or she did not care about them at all except for the money and then finally thought that might not be a healthy lifestyle for her and her son maybe partly due to her getting older and not being able to maintain that in a few years since newer and prettier toys enter the market each year.

In this case though her background is that she is someone that has been maintaining herself and her family well enough by regular working and has not dated for years and maybe even centered a bit too much of her life around her son. So her using her brain on Non-NTR path and keeping herself save is not character development or growth.

Considering dating, yeah dates happen but if someone blackmails you into one against your will for a favor where he keeps that power over you also in future, well then that is not just for handholding or long relation as equals, but for abusive reasons and refusing a No someone gave you many times already or you would not have to resort to blackmail anyway in the first place. Now if Mom was not a main target on the Non NTR path I would not mind her dating a nice great guy on that path though I would prefer not to see any sex scenes between them or their dates. It is MC's tale not slut up the mom in Non NTR path, but do mind an abusive asshole as that boss clearly is and shown himself by his actions.

Lack of money can make people do stupid things indeed, but like I said it is the dev that introduces that storyline in Non NTR path and that path does not need that to make Mom a whore in the first place, since there is no need to make her a whore or threaten it all the time in Non NTR since she does not has to be fucked by every loser asshole like the boss in game on that path with her son or Lilly as her saviors. She is a capable nice woman herself.

Now to be clear I said before I hope the dev will take that kind of path in Non NTR route, not that he has to or others are not allowed to hope for the opposite :p, just speaking for myself though if the Non NTR path will only be about mainly stopping abusive assholes in future or has such a strong focus on the happenings around the abusive assholes as the first two episodes had with the dates and all talks around them I see myself getting bored with game in a few updates and give up on it in a few episodes however many hot scenes there might be as well.
 
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Character development means growth and change. It would be character development if she had a past of spreading her legs for any man that was prepared to maintain her however big an asshole he was or she did not care about them at all except for the money and then finally thought that might not be a healthy lifestyle for her and her son. In this case her background is that she is someone that has been maintaining herself and her family well enough by regular working and has not dated for years and maybe even centered a bit too much of her life around her son. So her using her brain on Non-NTR path and keeping herself save is not character development or growth.

Considering dating, yeah dates happen but if someone blackmails you into one against your will for a favor where he keeps that power over you also in future, well then that is not just for handholding or long relation as equals, but for abusive reasons and refusing a No someone gave you many times already or you would not have to resort to blackmail anyway in the first place. Now if Mom was not a main target on the Non NTR path I would not mind her dating a nice great guy on that path though I would prefer not to see any sex scenes between them or their dates. It is MC's tale not slut up the mom in Non NTR path, but do mind an abusive asshole as that boss clearly is and shown himself by his actions.

Lack of money can make people do stupid things indeed, but like I said it is the dev that introduces that storyline in Non NTR path and that path does not need that to make Mom a whore in the first place, since there is no need to make her a whore or threaten it all the time in Non NTR since she does not has to be fucked by every loser asshole like the boss in game on that path with her son or Lilly as her saviors. She is a capable nice woman herself.

Now to be clear I said before I hope the dev will take that kind of path in Non NTR route, not that he has to or others are not allowed to hope for the opposite :p, just speaking for myself though if the Non NTR path will only be about mainly stopping abusive assholes in future I see myself getting bored with game in a few updates and give up on it in a few episodes however many hot scenes there might be as well.
I think I'm seeing where you are coming from now. :)
With that said...
Maybe because she has sacrificed herself for her son by not dating for years, her boss sees her as an easy target. To buy time and figure a way out of her mess, the easy thing to do would be to just go out on a date or two. (In real life, she could just say no and sue his ass if he continues to harass her). Rejecting her boss in the end is the 'moral' thing to do but now they both have to deal with those consequences. How are they going to pay the bills? To me, this kind of conflict makes for good story telling.
 

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I think I'm seeing where you are coming from now. :)
With that said...
Maybe because she has sacrificed herself for her son by not dating for years, her boss sees her as an easy target. To buy time and figure a way out of her mess, the easy thing to do would be to just go out on a date or two. (In real life, she could just say no and sue his ass if he continues to harass her). Rejecting her boss in the end is the 'moral' thing to do but now they both have to deal with those consequences. How are they going to pay the bills? To me, this kind of conflict makes for good story telling.
Depending how it is done, yes. I did not give up on this game yet did I? If it is just used to give other abusive assholes a chance on Non NTR path to be a threat all the time in future I will get bored soon by it. Still stands that there was no need to more or less concentrate 80% of the time spend with Mom on Non NTR path on those dates and all talks around them.

It could have been dealt with in 5 lines to set that situation up that Mom lost her job by saying No to abusive boss with no dates at all in game on Non NTR route. I do not enjoy the NTR vibe threat or better said abusive other dick threat and to be honest they tend to be incredibly cookie cutter and predictable. Now the setup of this game can turn interesting on Non NTR with a succubus and a mom with brains that loves her son or completely cookie cutter NTR threat vibe or cookie cutter incest that we both have seen done badly thousands of times already or really interesting. We will see where dev takes it.

Edit: clowns234 for me her saying no to boss is even not so much about "moral" as such in the first place, but about having control about your own life instead of being controlled by an abusive asshole. If she chose to let herself be bedded by her abusive boss and basically prostitute herself to keep her regular job, for regular pay where she still would have to work for him 40 to 60 hours a week ..... Well then she could just as well contact a reputable high class escort agency and at least prostitute herself for a much higher amount of income where she had relative control still over her actions. Not that I advise that path for any woman, that life style has some serious drawbacks and risks, but it beats being a prostitute to an abusive asshole that keeps that power over you when give in and will fire you anyway when he gets bored by you or more interested in a newer model or prostitutes you out for his benefit instead of yours then. As a smart woman she would be aware of that I suspect as well so giving in makes no sense for a smart woman in the first place except in a bimbo innocent girl turned to bimbo slut power fantasy also known as most NTR games or female protagonist and quite a few incest games.:p
 
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Depending how it is done, yes. I did not give up on this game yet did I? If it is just used to give other abusive assholes a chance on Non NTR path to be a threat all the time in future I will get bored soon by it. Still stands that there was no need to more or less concentrate 80% of the time spend with Mom on Non NTR path on those dates and all talks around them.

It could have been dealt with in 5 lines to set that situation up that Mom lost her job by saying No to abusive boss with no dates at all in game on Non NTR route. I do not enjoy the NTR vibe threat or better said abusive other dick threat and to be honest they tend to be incredibly cookie cutter and predictable. Now the setup of this game can turn interesting on Non NTR with a succubus and a mom with brains that loves her son or completely cookie cutter NTR threat vibe or cookie cutter incest that we both have seen done badly thousands of times already or really interesting. We will see where dev takes it.

Edit: clowns234 for me her saying no to boss is even not so much about "moral" as such in the first place, but about having control about your own life instead of being controlled by an abusive asshole. If she chose to let herself be bedded by her abusive boss and basically prostitute herself to keep her regular job, for regular pay where she still would have to work for him 40 to 60 hours a week ..... Well then she could just as well contact a reputable high class escort agency and at least prostitute herself for a much higher amount of income where she had relative control still over her actions. Not that I advise that path for any woman, that life style has some serious drawbacks and risks, but it beats being a prostitute to an abusive asshole that keeps that power over you when give in and will fire you anyway when he gets bored by you or more interested in a newer model or prostitutes you out for his benefit instead of yours then. As a smart woman she would be aware of that I suspect as well so giving in makes no sense for a smart woman in the first place except in a bimbo innocent girl turned to bimbo slut power fantasy.:p
Going out on a date with her boss is fairly innocent and sure doesn't make her a bimbo, especially if she rejects him in the end.
You as the player know he has evil intentions, especially with the NTR tag. She suspects it. But she doesn't know for sure at that point.
 

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Going out on a date with her boss is fairly innocent and sure doesn't make her a bimbo, especially if she rejects him in the end.
You as the player know he has evil intentions, especially with the NTR tag. She suspects it. But she doesn't know for sure at that point.
Well as a woman that likely has been dealing with abusive assholes and other admirers since her tits started growing and possibly even earlier considering her looks she should and her background says she did more or less quite successfully without using her body for it all those years. even if from Lydia's unreasonable and unfair dislike for MC we might deduce that his dad might have been an irresponsible guy that walked away from his responsibilities. Not sure of that, but is what it hints at. :)

Now a boss that is good to you asking you out might be well innocent indeed, even if some people and organizations have rules against it due to the power differential, but granted that could be innocent or even respectful or indeed wishing a meaningful relation with sex or just sex and fine if both agree to that.

Now at the moment that same boss invites and more or less forces you to go on dates with him under the threat of a layoff and implicitly or explicitly couples your continued employment at that firm with your going on dates with him all that innocence is immediately lost and we are in blackmail territory and abuse. No woman with the experience of Mom will truly believe those dates are not about having sex with her and that she will be expected to acquiesce to that as part of the deal. She might hope it against better judgement, but def knows better. :p If not, well then she would have been in trouble already years before game started if still that innocent at that age and abused over and over again by various assholes. who are smarter and less open about it as that boss.
 
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Well as a woman that likely has been dealing with abusive assholes and other admirers since her tits started growing and possibly even earlier considering her looks she should and her background says she did more or less quite successfully without using her body for it all those years. even if from Lydia's unreasonable and unfair dislike for MC we might deduce that his dad might have been an irresponsible guy that walked away from his responsibilities. Not sure of that, but is what it hints at. :)

Now a boss that is good to you asking you out might be well innocent indeed, even if some people and organizations have rules against it due to the power differential, but granted that could be innocent or even respectful or indeed wishing a meaningful relation and fine.

Now at the moment that same boss invites and more or less forces you to go on dates with him under the threat of a layoff and implicitly or explicitly couples your continued employment at that firm with your going on dates with him all that innocence is immediately lost and we are in blackmail territory and abuse. No woman with the experience of Mom will truly believe those dates are not about having sex with her and that she will be expected to acquiesce to that. She might hope it against better judgement, but def knows better. :p If not, well then she would have been in trouble already years before game started if still that innocent at that age and abused over and over again by various assholes. who are smarter and less open about it as that boss.
The problem is that woman deal with those kinds of guys every day. Being 'slut shamed', especially in the workplace, is the 'norm' for too many (although it's gotten much better). Short of never leaving her house, that is the reality of being a woman. You must pick and choose your battles.
 

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The problem is that woman deal with those kinds of guys every day. Being 'slut shamed', especially in the workplace, is the 'norm' for too many (although it's gotten much better). Short of never leaving her house, that is the reality of being a woman. You must pick and choose your battles.
True. Oh and to be fair to us man, there are enough women out there that happily use that situation and use their body and attractiveness for their own purposes and sleep their way into a golden nest situation quite happily. Not only men can be abusive assholes or manipulators. Muddying the waters sometimes.

Another woman as Mom with different priorities, might in that situation if boss was the owner and really rich decided to sleep with him, but under a way better deal as just keeping her job and salary and more control and security for her if he were rich enough or not even needed the blackmail but actively hunted him herself in that case.
 
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If you don't like the NTR aspect of the story you do have the choice not to play it. However, from a character driven part of the story it works quite well and I'm intrigued to see how mother and son deal with the difficulties. The developer has made it work fairly realistically.

The renders are among the best that I've ever seen in a game on this site and I have no doubt that people will want more in all respects. Bottom line is that right now it works well. Keep it up developer. EroMersive :coffee:
 

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DA22 You don't like NTR ok we get it. But the stories have to strech the reality somehow or it would be boring. And no incest too, it's even more unbelievable than accepting the boss date. Furthermore it's still a porn game
My point was that it did not need the boss date on the Non NTR path and that that date and all around which is 80% of the content with Mom added nothing meaningful on the non NTR path to the game (while being annoying to at least some that prefer not to play NTR path), which will be at least partly about incest with the Mom and pseudo with the aunt that is married to his uncle, like it or not. Furthermore those date shenanigans are already in the NTR path, so even for fans of both paths it does not add something new or very different storyline if Non NTR path is about exact same content with just a small difference in outcome. MC fucks them instead of them becoming the town bike as long as player chooses well. :p

On the NTR path where it is about nice women being turned into sluts by abusive assholes while MC or her partner depending on view is unable to stop it, it is another thing and those dates do make sense considering the end goal in that genre. Also I never said remove, just expressed hope that dev moved away from that mechanic in Non NTR path and make it more about relations of MC himself with them instead of him and Lilly having to sweep in all the time to save ladies, who have a brain themselves from their background and are not innocent 12 yo's without needing to be reminded of that by the way more inexperienced MC that still has to grow up a lot, from the bad guys.

Edit: Also you have the right to disagree, but do you really think that a consensual loving incestuous relation both want between two people that are old enough to know what they want however many problems our society may have with it and it is taboo is really more unhealthy to a person and their mental health as being in an abusive relationship whether that is sexually, physically or emotionally abusive and remember those three tend to mix together? Now of course at the moment that incest relation is abusive, well then we get the added factor that the abuser is someone you should be safe with and had a right to expect that and in case of parents have an unhealthy amount of power given to them by society over their kids when they are abusive in any of the three ways.
 
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My point was that it did not need the boss date on the Non NTR path and that that date and all around which is 80% of the content with Mom added nothing meaningful on the non NTR path to the game (while being annoying to at least some that prefer not to play NTR path), which will be at least partly about incest with the Mom and pseudo with the aunt that is married to his uncle, like it or not. Furthermore those date shenanigans are already in the NTR path, so even for fans of both paths it does not add something new or very different storyline if Non NTR path is about exact same content with just a small difference in outcome. MC fucks them instead of them becoming the town bike as long as player chooses well. :p

On the NTR path where it is about nice women being turned into sluts by abusive assholes while MC or her partner depending on view is unable to stop it, it is another thing and those dates do make sense considering the end goal in that genre. Also I never said remove, just expressed hope that dev moved away from that mechanic in Non NTR path and make it more about relations of MC himself with them instead of him and Lilly having to sweep in all the time to save ladies, who have a brain themselves from their background and are not innocent 12 yo's without needing to be reminded of that by the way more inexperienced MC that still has to grow up a lot, from the bad guys.

Edit: Also you have the right to disagree, but do you really think that a consensual loving incestuous relation both want between two people that are old enough to know what they want however many problems our society may have with it and it is taboo is really more unhealthy to a person and their mental health as being in an abusive relationship whether that is sexually, physically or emotionally abusive and remember those three tend to mix together? Now of course at the moment that incest relation is abusive, well then we get the added factor that the abuser is someone you should be safe with and had a right to expect that and in case of parents have an unhealthy amount of power given to them by society over their kids when they are abusive in any of the three ways.
That's different paths (NTR and non-NTR) but it's still the same story, that's why the date is present in both. You can express what you dislike, but if you don't like playing a non-NTR route while there is also a NTR one then it's not a game for you

And it's only the begining, the paths might diverge more in the future
 

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That's different paths (NTR and non-NTR) but it's still the same story, that's why the date is present in both. You can express what you dislike, but if you don't like playing a non-NTR route while there is also a NTR one then it's not a game for you

And it's only the begining, the paths might diverge more in the future
That last is what I hope and was talking about and remember my original post was an answer to someone asking about the NTR and if avoidable in this game (so likely not a big fan of that content) and my answer was about fact that seeing abusive other dick in action is completely avoidable at the moment but that the NTR story heavily bleeds into the Non NTR path at the moment especially with Mom content. So he should make up his own mind if worth playing based on that information. Other peoples remarks led to a bit wider discussion about that part on the Non NTR path. :p

If they do not diverge more, well it is the devs game and he can make it as he wishes in the end and be about what he wants and if it becomes to boring or annoying to me due to that I will just stop playing and try another game. Will not be the first time or last time that happens that a dev with a possible interesting setup takes the game in a for me boring direction. If I was completely allergic to NTR I would not even have played those two chapters anyway, knowing game has an abusive other dick route and that always tends to bleed somewhat through in other path, even if just by having an incompetent( that seems to be a minor) MC at start that has to grow a lot to make it even somewhat believable he does not end up losing everything or needs a deus ex machina for that.:)

Edit: Also to be clear I never talked about Lilly. A I do not consider that abusive other dick, if anyone is abusive there it is Lilly that takes what she needs. Big surprise that, we are talking about a centuries old succubus (demonic creature) that is extremely hungry at start of game. Those are not really known for their moral ambiguities or niceness per se outside of a Twilight like fanfiction :p and B she would be way more interesting to me as a dubious ally with her own goals that might not completely align with MC goals while still have to find a way to coexist and somehow work mainly together or become opponents then as a personal toy that completely falls for Mc where that dubiousness would drive the story in the Non NTR path instead of MC constantly having to swoop in to save the women from abusive other dick again and again with the help of Lilly likely. I know, I suck as a fantasy white knight. :p In the other one the MC is doomed to loose anyway as we already know and since I am kind of allergic to abusive other dicks with nice moms, I will happily leave that path to you fellows and to discuss its merits and flaws from your perspective.
 
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Just finished my first playthrough of this game. Absolutely loving it so far.

The love paths and the NTR paths are equally enjoyable and the story is interesting enough. Great renders as many have pointed out although the lack of animations is a bit sad. The pacing does seem a bit fast for my taste, especially with the NTR scene between the mom and George. Other than that, I'm definitely watching out for this one. Kudos to the dev :giggle:.
 

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Well I'm willing to sacrifice Aunt Lydia to the ntr gods without question...and Why does Uncle Herald have love and lust points? a future tag perhaps? :LOL: :LOL:
The Love and Lust score are there for the upcoming man on man action between MC and Herald. No, just kidding... The only one that matters is his Love score. It influences how willing Herald is to help the MC/turn a blind eye in events to come.
 
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