Chagatai Khan

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CK 3 sucks. HOI 4 has the same exact map, but with tanks and planes.
As if that makes it any better, it's also irrelevent to my post. HOI 4 is a war-simulator that spans less than two decades. CK3 is dynasty-simulator that spans almost six centuries. You don't get to learn much about history in HOI 4, you do in CK3. Far more important however: You play characters in CK3. You can go crazy and restore ancient pagan religions or even better, go completely nuts and create your own incest/harem based religion and through multiple generations of inbreeding become something close to a god. Far more relevant for people who also enjoy this game, I would think.

I would contend that it does, since monarchies of that era, and Egyptians in particular tended to be personality cults. And everybody wants to copy whoever's in charge.
That's quite a stretch to be honest. You shouldn't equate modern personality cults with those of the past. Personality cults in antiquity were mostly a Macedonian/Greek and later a Roman Imperial thing (though mostly in the East of the Empire) that came about because the Levantine populations equated kingship with divintiy. Copying the dress and habits of rulers was very often frowned upon and often simply illegal.
 
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I tried getting into CK2 once but ended up giving up due to all the mechanics and having to read/watch tutorials to understand any of it.
Yeah, all paradox games have a steep learning curve. I've barely played CK3 compared to CK2, but I believe it's easier to learn for a beginner. It's also relatively new so it hasn't suffered so much from feature creep yet.
 
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CK3 is really accessible, compared to .. well, pretty much any other paradox game. Great entry to start.

Also fairly mod friendly and you can easily temper with some of the data yourself to change many aspects of the game, which is always neat.
Just a word of advice: If you go for (near)immortality mods, maybe ease up on the incest-harem-cult. After the age of 160 and over 150 kids, the game becomes rather unstable if I load the family tree ('tree') and I'd need like 3 screen to see all my offspring without some serious scrolling...

Also don't get me started on all the infighting and the assassination plots. You give those ungrateful bastards some kingdoms to rule under your benevolent imperial leadership and they have nothing else to do but wage war on each other... smh
 

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I mean Egyptians used to shave their heads and women would just wear wigs while being bald underneath, but I doubt they'll be so dedicated to historical inspiration that Merneith will reveal a Joe Rogan-tier chrome dome next episode
 

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I actually get all my historical information from porn forums
As an amateur historian I can say this game is rather tame compared to historical Ancient Egypt. The history channel you watched as a child gave out very censored image of Ancient Egypt, so no wonder they focused on Pyramids and pottery shards instead, you know, how people lived back then according to preserved material discoveries.

First of in Ancient Egypt incest wasn't optional but mandatory. It was expected males to marry their sisters and their daughters, anything else made you a betacuck. Ramses II had something like 8 wives and over 100 children, that is a lot of incest even for the most obsessed degenerates.

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Second, Ancient Egypt was exhibitionist paradise. Pharaohs' were displayed with huge erected penises and royal women literally wore only a fishnet, transparent clothes or breast exposed. Slaves naturally wore nothing as well pre-pubic children. Shota and loli for everyone! So yeah, more than half of Ancient Egyptians could have been naked all the time. My head cannot understand how such a degenerate society ever functioned, and even better was a superpower, yet it did.

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For ending, please devs don't follow this historical route. I don't want to see Queen of Zeta permanently naked and married to her dad/brother. Even the most degenerate Japanese Hentai falls far behind how hardcore Ancient Egyptians were.
 

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To be fair, the incest thing was mostly a Pharaoh concern, to preserve the purity of the divine bloodline or something like that. Small wonder Tuthankamun was riddled with genetic flaws
 
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You might want to read the old testament also ... they married their sisters/daughters too.
For boys and girls living most of their life in the harem of their pater familias,
what does anyone expect of them?
 

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I just did a replay of the game and noticed that some scenes are cut short in the gallery. So far I noticed the scene "bedroom argument" ending after the blowjob and cutting out the cowgirl sex and the scenes "manhandled" and "knowing your place" cutting out a few renders at the end.
 

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You might want to read the old testament also ... they married their sisters/daughters too.
For boys and girls living most of their life in the harem of their pater familias,
what does anyone expect of them?
I'm a little wary of treating sacred scriptures as historically accurate.. And of the top of my head, i can't remember a great many direct incest stories other than Jacob marrying two sisters (not his sisters).. other than references to Sodom and Gomorrah, which did not end well for the people involved

Edit: the old testament is al I got, in account of having been raised Jewish.. But even so, that's not where I go for historical accuracy
 

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Off the top of g oo g le:
”Exodus 6:20 And Amram married his father's sister Jochebed ...
Amram took as his wife Jochebed his father's sister, and she bore him Aaron and Moses, theyears of the life of Amram being 137 year”
 

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Here is another gem from the scripture ... be it as it may, people believe it:
” Genesis 20:1–16 narrates the story of Abraham emigrating to the southern region of Gerar, whose king is named Abimelech. Abraham states that Sarah, his wife, is really his sister, leading Abimelech to try to take Sarah as a wife; however, God intervened before Abimelech touched Sarah. ”
 

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Should we go deeper in the family lineages ...
” However, in rabbinic literature, Sarah is considered Abraham's niece (the daughter of his brother, Haran) ”
 

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To be fair, the incest thing was mostly a Pharaoh concern, to preserve the purity of the divine bloodline or something like that. Small wonder Tuthankamun was riddled with genetic flaws
Only Gods are allowed to have sex with each others, and in Ancient Egypt rulers were literal embodiments of Gods. To be fair the evidence of incest is limited mainly to ruling dynasty, as majority of written documents focused solely to them. This is mind we don't really know how widespread incest was in Ancient Egypt, but what is certain is that incest was legal and was used to monopolize power into hands of small elite. In short rich had to bang their sisters and daughters while poors could marry more freely.
Tuthankamun is an excellent example of outcome of incest. Another is the final Ptolemy Dynasty, easily the most dysfunctional dynasty in history of mankind. They literally went insane, butchering and fucking each other depending who was losing and winning. If Game of Thrones was too gross, do not open the spoiler below.

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You might want to read the old testament also ... they married their sisters/daughters too.
For boys and girls living most of their life in the harem of their pater familias,
what does anyone expect of them?
It is a bit more complicated in Old Testament. In Old Testament it is revealed Abraham married his half-sister Sarah, they had same father but different mother if I remember correctly, and this might be the reason why they were unable to have children until Abraham met God. Later three almost identical stories occur first with Pharaoh and Abraham, second time with Abimelech and Abraham and third time again with Abimelech and Isaac. They all go in following way that a foreign ruler desired Abraham's/Isaac's sister but is later horrified finding out it was their sister-wife. While the incest was not forbidden the tone pretty much was "dude just no". Much later in Leviticus incest is pretty solidly forbidden.
 

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There is also hidden incest right in the beginning of the Bibble. When Abel and Cain sacrifices for God, God is pleased with Abel's sacrifice and not with Cain's. This as we know it lead Cain slaying Abel known as first murder.
The missing part is why Cain became so angry by losing to his brother Abel? In Islamic, Beta Israeli and Ethiopian Orthodox Church the tradition says both Abel and Cain were born with twin sisters Awan and Azura, and when Cain lost Adam decided Abel should marry Cain's twin which lead to first murder. While this sounds weird, it made perfectly sense to people at that time. In Babylonian mythology first Gods were Absu and Tiamat, who bore twins Lahamu and Lahmu, who bore twins Anshar and Kishar and they in turn bore the Elder Gods. Adam's decision broke this cycle, and this was the background story which was left out from our version of Bibble.
 
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