VN Ren'Py Divinity [Update 2] [toasterkun]

[ModaGr33n]

I... I'm honestly speechless. Really I'll explain why in a moment 0_0

But first, I would like to thank you It is... a humbling and very fulfilling experience to find people who liked it, since, like you have read, it is...different. Ever since i've tested the story on my IRL friends, i knew that i would be very lucky and blessed if i can find people who can somewhat enjoy it The reason i'm speechless is that...

Spoiler: definitely spoiler

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Again, thank you

As a token of my gratitude in correctly guessing those facts, i want to share some (tbh, unready) sketches that are relevant to bondage and maledom. here are a couple of unfinished sketches (as in,i've got the basic idea for the posing, but not the background work, lighting, camera angle, context + writing, actual event in the timeline of the plot, and those kind of things), so the quality is honestly sub par and normally i wouldn't share these, with the exception of the first one and last one.

Currently on my rough sketches, being held in place by tentacles and "body controlling tentacles" might be the closest one to bondage for now 0_0a

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again, thank you

YES!! More CGs.

But man, you can't be dropping shit like this now. I've just come to terms with the fact that I'm going to have to wait for the next update, and now you got me feeling like I just finished season 1 of an amazing new anime, but it's ended on a cliffhanger, it's based on a 12 book series of light novels only published in Japanese, and I have no idea if the studio is even going to make a season 2.

It sounds like you intend to follow through, but this is how you're making me feel, man!

Anyway, many blessings to you. And, I hope you have much success in your endeavors.

 

[Wicks99]

Yep, definitely true. A point that I will reference again below To add to the problem is that just like any other creative works, (at least personally for me), its not really something that can be easily planned. I could allocate the time to do it, and more time also equals better quality product mostly, but (at least for me), it still depended very heavily on inspiration. When i'm coming up with blanks...well, that's it for the current sprint . Not complaining or making excuses though hahaha 0_0

my old job was also partly creative works, but with near zero chance that the receiver would be happy to hear what i had to say hahaha, so this AVN dev is partly an improvement

Yea, writer's block is an unavoidable evil. The big challenge is it usually comes at the worst time with a frequency and down time that is erratic which goes against the golden rules of project management to cut down risk by reducing volatility.

I know a guy whose job is to write weekly updates for an online fiction platform with the same problem (he has to upload a chapter every week by hook or by crook as stipulated). He shared that over time he got around this issue by writing on a few minor character's side adventures that are irrelevant to the main story whenever he is unable to advance the main story for the week.

Maybe you can find a "safe harbor" within the story like generic slice of life moments, coffee / dinner banter etc. to fill up some content while waiting for the block to pass? It's certainly not ideal from a creative POV, but sometimes it's also about striking a balance between project management, commercial viability and individual preference.

Waste of time ? definitely not! who knows, maybe my engagement gimmick is deep analytic conversation. Came for the porn, stay for the deep dive

Plus, just like it was your IRL job trait (communication if i remembered correctly?), mine is also somewhat related to this topic, although more on the technical side ("tag information value", "tag-to-tag correlation", "the possibility of clustering games based on their tags subset and the analysis of subsequently found clusters", etc), so it was fun for me

Yep I'm doing Marcoms but recently have also added Market Analytics to my portfolio, amazed by how many business decisions that look like gut feel on the outside are actually backed by data crunching behind the scenes. At the same time I've also seen a lot of promising developers in the adult gaming space make bad decisions due to a lack of a "data driven" mentality, too much hearsay and gut feel.

Yeah, i'm considering it, and been getting the same suggestion from other devs. I already made my itch account, done the tax info, and the page draft is also done, waiting for me to press publish. But there's also these interrelated factors which is currently stopping me:

• patreon and non-con content : due to my content (and my stubborness/unwillingness/inability to write around it and make it optional), i'm always at risk of being kicked out the more exposure i have
• -> i need a backup platform, which is subscribestar->subscribestar still won't approve me. at first they said i don't have enough social media presence (which i can only prove through patreon, so getting that axed before i got my subscribestar would put me in a difficult situation). Now after i got some more members, they simply ignored my request hahaha. they are famous for being difficult like that
• it is true, that itch would expose me to more possible players, but it is also a very wide player base, one that has a higher chance of being offended at my game and...decided to "make the world better". there's something quite similar happened not long ago to another dev. with the way current internet mobbing works, it would place any other distribution and monetization channel i have at similar risk
• you might recall that during the first few days of my release, i was very active in the forum to...well, to do customer service basically. another channel (itch) would mean even more customer service time is required, one that i believe that had i didn't do well enough in the critical 48 hours for divinity, things might have turned out not as good as now

Based on that, i'm currently at the thought that delaying itch would lower the overall risk, while pushing it before i get a backup channel other than patreon still appears to be a hasty, unnecesarily risky action to take. But i could change my mind. If i still haven't got my subscribestar after my 2nd update, if the 2nd update is also decently accepted, i might go with itch anyway

There's also the time factor, since i'm already managing my deviantart, pixiv, reddit, and instagram (just my SFW works in an attempt to get some kind of brand recognition or to get them to go to my other links for the NSFWs) and I also try to be active in other people's discord hahaha (i restrict my own discord heavily and basically just use it as a way to distribute works that are not to my par for patreon post. the reason is because patreon can axe my account based on what other people post in my discord )

Hate to break it to you, but my general take is Subscribestar is about as useful for a Patreon backup as McCafe is for McDonald's. Sounds good in theory but of limited help in the event your Patreon gets suspended / terminated.

Subscribestar's reach is too small and works only for the niche plays we discussed earlier i.e. they and their players have no choice because they can't use Patreon. If you look at the big games with both accounts, Subscribestar makes up only a small fraction of Patreon's, so if Patreon's gone the hit will be devestating.

I'm afraid sometimes perfect is the enemy of the good, so it's better to play within Patreon's rules than insist on something that risks a suspension and rely on Subscribestar since Divinity is a story driven AVN that is supposed to appeal to a broader market.

From what I can tell as long as you stay away from the few sensitive areas like incest (exc. adopted / unrelated step or "roommate" that can be changed), rape, loli, torture or explicitly denigrating a certain race or religion, one should be safe in Patreon. Heck even something like Family Trouble that makes a ton of politically incorrect racist and sexist jokes has been around Patreon for a while.

From what I can tell Itch has a less stringent censorship policy than Patreon. So as long as you stay safe in Patreon, Itch will likely not cause problem. As for customer service, I personally believe it's manageable at the start based on what I hear from other developers. At most just allocate some of your SFW time to Itch ;-)

 

[garbage.kun]

From what I can tell as long as you stay away from the few sensitive areas like incest (exc. adopted / unrelated step or "roommate" that can be changed), rape, loli, torture or explicitly denigrating a certain race or religion, one should be safe in Patreon.

Ahahaha... sometime I forgot that you haven't played it Divinity contains rape and coercion. In my defence... (only a spoiler if you haven't played them, and most of this can be inferred by reading between the lines in the first 10-20 minutes) :

Spoiler: minor spoiler

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As for "filler" scenes, i tried to avoid it. actually,i think one of the reason i'm very slow at writing is that i tried really hard (or too hard) to make every dialogue that is in the game have a purpose, whether it is world building or showing a characters'....err..character

But i kinda solve it by making renders instead (something that is a little easier for me) or implementing QoL improvements that come from the players. both of which are then used as posts in my patreon, so its basically killing two birds with one stone. obviously the main plot doesn't write itself. but, yeah, its progressing every day, little by little

Hate to break it to you, but my general take is Subscribestar is about as useful for a Patreon backup as McCafe is for McDonald's. Sounds good in theory but of limited help in the event your Patreon gets suspended / terminated.

Subscribestar's reach is too small and works only for the niche plays we discussed earlier i.e. they and their players have no choice because they can't use Patreon. If you look at the big games with both accounts, Subscribestar makes up only a small fraction of Patreon's, so if Patreon's gone the hit will be devestating.

Spoken like a true analyst 0_0b. Thanks for the info

I'm afraid sometimes perfect is the enemy of the good, so it's better to play within Patreon's rules than insist on something that risks a suspension and rely on Subscribestar since Divinity is a story driven AVN that is supposed to appeal to a broader market.

I appreciate the advice, but, it looks like on this point, we will have to agree to disagree 0_0b Not that I don't think that rationally, doing what you recommended is false. But more due to...(i hope this doesn't sound pretentious), I have a vision/concept for this AVN that I want to achieve, even with the monetary risk 0_0b

But really, I do appreciate your deep analysis, and I would take it into mind. Especially the itch, because tbh, i have been lacking in reading their ToS and you gave me a good overview of them

Hahhaah, yeah..customer service. I've done it before, I should be able to do it again

Seriously, thanks wicks. tbh, i doubt that you would enjoy divinity 0_0 (i mean, i would be very happy if you do, but i know the limitations of my skill), but i sure do enjoy our conversations

 

[Wicks99]

Ahahaha... sometime I forgot that you haven't played it Divinity contains rape and coercion. In my defence... (only a spoiler if you haven't played them, and most of this can be inferred by reading between the lines in the first 10-20 minutes) :

Oh haha I see, indeed it's pretty amazing we've discussed so much and I still haven't played the game. If that's the case then at least try your best to reduce the frequency and do it by inference as much as possible.

As for "filler" scenes, i tried to avoid it. actually,i think one of the reason i'm very slow at writing is that i tried really hard (or too hard) to make every dialogue that is in the game have a purpose, whether it is world building or showing a characters'....err..character

But i kinda solve it by making renders instead (something that is a little easier for me) or implementing QoL improvements that come from the players. both of which are then used as posts in my patreon, so its basically killing two birds with one stone. obviously the main plot doesn't write itself. but, yeah, its progressing every day, little by little

No probs, seems like you've figured out how to work around a block and that's all that matters. As long as momentum is maintained things should be fine, important thing is not to stop too long as sometimes it's hard to pickup after a while with what's happening IRL.

I appreciate the advice, but, it looks like on this point, we will have to agree to disagree 0_0b Not that I don't think that rationally, doing what you recommended is false. But more due to...(i hope this doesn't sound pretentious), I have a vision/concept for this AVN that I want to achieve, even with the monetary risk 0_0b

Fair enough, I appreciate your candor and sincerely hope you won't get a Patreon curveball somewhere down the road. All the more to diversify further by publishing on Itch even if you have Subscribestar!

But really, I do appreciate your deep analysis, and I would take it into mind. Especially the itch, because tbh, i have been lacking in reading their ToS and you gave me a good overview of them

You're welcome

Seriously, thanks wicks. tbh, i doubt that you would enjoy divinity 0_0 (i mean, i would be very happy if you do, but i know the limitations of my skill), but i sure do enjoy our conversations

Well then I promise I'll give it a try when V0.2 is out! I'm actually a very relaxed guy who is open to most stuff and don't have very high standards anyway. Really... if you look at my reviews here I generally give very good ratings to most games even if their particular genre does not appeal to me.

Don't see the need to get all emotional and upset over all sorts of weird stuff (games are meant to be recreational rite? ) Never understood why people like to squabble with each other over definitions of NTR, futanari, harem etc. or worse still start a moral debate on F95

 

[garbage.kun]

Just sharing some renders from my patreon(i hope i didn't repost any of these here before. with so many channels that i have, i honestly sometime double post a render hahaha):



these two are not in game renders. they are just practice sketches that i made when i'm just kinda tired of writing 0_0a


unfortunately, the latest update in patreon is non public only because it contains nudity, but i'll just give a summary here

• mostly polishing the texts that i have written, because i prefer to have a solid foundation before i moved on to the next plot point
• i'm still trying to get it released on december, but i want it to be good one, although ... i have to admit, its not going to be as long as the first update. i'm really sorry about this. writing is hard
• i got most of the poses kinda done (at least a rough idea) for several sex scenes, albeit they are a kinda short one, but again, its the writing which is the bottleneck
• i'll keep all of you posted if i decided that i still need some time to write them to an acceptable standard
  

thank you so much, and again, i'm sorry. i realized i overestimated my writing speed waay to much during my earlier update when i had just posted in F95 this is not an excuse nor is it sympathy farming. i'm just letting you all know because i understand that its annoying to not hearing any news for those that are not a free member in my patreon. for now, i'm just going to keep on working 0_0a

 

[. ° ☾ ❍]

Take all the time you need friend, we appreciate your work here and the only reason to put pressure on yourself should be for achieving your own goals and meet your expectations, not everyone else's.

Now I get that you're doing this for people too so it's only natural to wish for consistency, regular updates, quality content etc... But I believe finding the right balance is key to not burn yourself out or spiral into whatever state of mind that would be everything but good for you. So many times have we seen this, and when the game is good or promising, seeing it put on hold or abandoned for those very reasons is always a bummer. (Doesn't mean you have to keep your game ongoing for ever and no matter what, just that creating the context of its own downfall is avoidable)

There are just some things out of your control, like making everyone happy with your work, this ain't possible, especially here, be it for the themes, the kinks, the frequency of updates/releases, you'll always find unsatisfied ppl, it's how it do be. So far you've been spared and for good reasons, let's hope it stays that way !

Anyway that's just how I see things, I hope my point makes sense lol.

So thanks for your commitment, and take it easy

 

[garbage.kun]

Take all the time you need friend, we appreciate your work here and the only reason to put pressure on yourself should be for achieving your own goals and meet your expectations, not everyone else's.

Now I get that you're doing this for people too so it's only natural to wish for consistency, regular updates, quality content etc... But I believe finding the right balance is key to not burn yourself out or spiral into whatever state of mind that would be everything but good for you. So many times have we seen this, and when the game is good or promising, seeing it put on hold or abandoned for those very reasons is always a bummer. (Doesn't mean you have to keep your game ongoing for ever and no matter what, just that creating the context of its own downfall is avoidable)

There are just some things out of your control, like making everyone happy with your work, this ain't possible, especially here, be it for the themes, the kinks, the frequency of updates/releases, you'll always find unsatisfied ppl, it's how it do be. So far you've been spared and for good reasons, let's hope it stays that way !

Anyway that's just how I see things, I hope my point makes sense lol.

So thanks for your commitment, and take it easy

Thanks a lot err ... dot, crescent..circle (° ☾ ❍) hahaha

True, I've been very blessed with people that liked this game and have been very very supportive 0_0b. Your point makes total sense, and I have to admit, it felt really nice to know that you even took the effort to write this

About the taking it easy part, it's a bit of "i wish i could, and i myself have told other people to do take it easy themselves, but actually doing it myself is very very hard" hahaha

But it is a correct advice, and one that is honestly eerily timed to remind me of that fact too at the time when i might have forgotten that 0_0

So again, thank you very very much for your supportive words m(_ _)m

 

[garbage.kun]

millyvanilly84

So, finally got my subscribestar account approved since i can't make the patreon post that announces it as public (it contains nudity hahaha) here's the TLDR version :

• subscribestar :
  You must be registered to see the links
• free membership available, and just like patreon, all content are available for all members, including free members 0_0b
• it will serve as a repository for contents that are not patreon friendly. currently there's nothing there except for the download link for Update 1, because I want to bring my old renders that are of those type up to par with my current renders

and here are some practice sketches that are in my patreon (some of these are test or practice sketches, and without full background and lighting work )



Thanks!

 

[CraneZ]

My personal Chinese translation for Divinity Update 1:https://f95zone.to/threads/divinity-chinese-translation-update-1-crane.232841/
For those who needed

 

[garbage.kun]

My personal Chinese translation for Divinity Update 1:https://f95zone.to/threads/divinity-chinese-translation-update-1-crane.232841/
For those who needed

Thank you very much CraneZ !

As usual, CraneZ is too humble with his work, so I'll add some context

He has been working for a couple of months making this translation, and although I don't understand chinese language, I believe he went beyond mere simple translation work. This is because in the process, he asked a lot of background information, what some word actually meant in Divinity setting, and even why I called the game "Divinity".

In the process, he also found some bugs, and more importantly, allowed me to make some partial changes in the actual code to make the UI work as intended with chinese language. you can see it in his screenshots where the elder language is displayed correctly and the "come here , brother" is also displayed more consistently with chinese language.

All in all, I can say is I'm amazed at his effort and very very thankful m(_ _)m

edit : his link has been added to the opening post 0_0b

 

[garbage.kun]

Just mirroring a post that I can't put in my patreon (its in my subscribestar instead) this is a slight rework for an older work of mine that i've posted earlier, using what i've learned along the way.




Thanks! (back to another paracetamol fueled sleep + runny nose 0_0;;

 

[millyvanilly84]

millyvanilly84

So, finally got my subscribestar account approved since i can't make the patreon post that announces it as public (it contains nudity hahaha) here's the TLDR version :

• subscribestar :
  You must be registered to see the links
• free membership available, and just like patreon, all content are available for all members, including free members 0_0b
• it will serve as a repository for contents that are not patreon friendly. currently there's nothing there except for the download link for Update 1, because I want to bring my old renders that are of those type up to par with my current renders

and here are some practice sketches that are in my patreon (some of these are test or practice sketches, and without full background and lighting work )

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Thanks!

Now that's good news! Can't wait for your next update!

 

[garbage.kun]

Hi, just an update (the patreon post that announces this is not public because of nudity 0_0a)

so,

• doesn't look like i can make it for december 4th (4 months after update 1). i think mid december should be fine, but it would just make my "fear" (not the correct term) of not making it good enough for my standard just slow me down
• ...therefore, i'm just going to aim for the end of december
• i feel bad, especially to my paying subs for the slow update, so i've decided to pause my billing until december 19 for now. i wanted the billing to pause until the end of december, but patreon doesn't have that feature -_-a
• obviously i needed the money, but i'll try to find some supplementary income for now
• obviously, i'm still working as hard as i can on update 2, but to be completely honest, i felt like i've disappointed you all. i don't think i can work even harder, but the speed is just...not fast enough. update 1 took 8-9 months from zero words to polished

something weird about the pause billing feature is that it said it couldn't accept members during the pause. so, just in case that actualyl meant "free members" too, i would suggest joining my discord for updates

anyway, i don't want to bring you down with the news. here's some renders




the first one is what i hope i can implement as an ingame render (rendering is the easy part. writing the text is the hard one hahaha). the second one is just a practice sketch.

the second render for my SS still needs a little posing work, so i'll post it here once its done...at the risk of spamming my own thread hahaha

anyway, thanks!

 

[ModaGr33n]

Hi, just an update (the patreon post that announces this is not public because of nudity 0_0a)

so,

• doesn't look like i can make it for december 4th (4 months after update 1). i think mid december should be fine, but it would just make my "fear" (not the correct term) of not making it good enough for my standard just slow me down
• ...therefore, i'm just going to aim for the end of december
• i feel bad, especially to my paying subs for the slow update, so i've decided to pause my billing until december 19 for now. i wanted the billing to pause until the end of december, but patreon doesn't have that feature -_-a
• obviously i needed the money, but i'll try to find some supplementary income for now
• obviously, i'm still working as hard as i can on update 2, but to be completely honest, i felt like i've disappointed you all. i don't think i can work even harder, but the speed is just...not fast enough. update 1 took 8-9 months from zero words to polished

something weird about the pause billing feature is that it said it couldn't accept members during the pause. so, just in case that actualyl meant "free members" too, i would suggest joining my discord for updates

anyway, i don't want to bring you down with the news. here's some renders

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the first one is what i hope i can implement as an ingame render (rendering is the easy part. writing the text is the hard one hahaha). the second one is just a practice sketch.

the second render for my SS still needs a little posing work, so i'll post it here once its done...at the risk of spamming my own thread hahaha

anyway, thanks!

Slow, purposeful, and consistent action will beat bursts of activity long term.

People generally know that you should multiply whatever timeline a dev gives you by 1.5 anyway. So a couple of weeks off is basically on time.

You're making an awesome story man, with a unique A-grade concept. If you do the basic writing stuff (storyboarding, drafting, redrafting, etc.), you'll pull this off.

The people watching this game get that you're a one-man army. As long as what you deliver is solid, people will be fine with a slower pace.

Anyhow, those renders look hot. Keep it up, man!

P.S. You probably already know about it, but I find timeboxing to be a useful productivity tool. I'm not a dev, but I could see it be useful in that context, too.

 

[Blaub]

Just stumbled upon this and wow. What an impression, unique storytelling, insane animations.
Can´t wait to see where the story goes.

 

[garbage.kun]

Slow, purposeful, and consistent action will beat bursts of activity long term.

People generally know that you should multiply whatever timeline a dev gives you by 1.5 anyway. So a couple of weeks off is basically on time.

You're making an awesome story man, with a unique A-grade concept. If you do the basic writing stuff (storyboarding, drafting, redrafting, etc.), you'll pull this off.

The people watching this game get that you're a one-man army. As long as what you deliver is solid, people will be fine with a slower pace.

Anyhow, those renders look hot. Keep it up, man!

P.S. You probably already know about it, but I find timeboxing to be a useful productivity tool. I'm not a dev, but I could see it be useful in that context, too.

Thanks as usual ModaGr33n hahaha i can't really convey how much i really appreciate all the encouragement 0_0b

Just stumbled upon this and wow. What an impression, unique storytelling, insane animations.
Can´t wait to see where the story goes.

Thank you Blaub 0_0 I'm very very glad that you can enjoy my work it makes my day a whole lot better

Anyway, here is the render that i posted to my SS (which delays my response to both of you, because i don't want to spam hahahaha)




personally, i think the lighting can still be improved. i'll probably try it on my off time

Again, thank you very very much

 

[millyvanilly84]

Hey garbage.kun , I subscribed, I wish you success and many more subs to come. I left also my opinion on your post.

 

[garbage.kun]

Just mirroring the post in my subscribestar for my patreons



just in case this causes some misunderstanding, no, the renders in SS are non canonical, and there's no guarantee that they would be included in game
(i don't want the renders i posted in my SS causing stirs about what tag is included in the game. the tag that is in the game is basically what it says in the front page )

Thanks!

 

[DevinHesi]

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[garbage.kun]

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lol well, thx for posting it. kinda saves me the effort of posting them .

anyway, since i'm already here, here's the other free patreon render and the subscribestar render too the girls with guns render are really just for fun though, so the lighting is sub par 0_0a;;;



still working as usual, and, going back to working again

thanks!