Do you think that the "market" of indie porn game is saturated?

[HopesGaming]

I think most people are pretty understanding as long as they know what's going on. If most games are on a 1 month dev cycle but it takes you 6 weeks to produce the kind of upate you want to do and commit to that instead, I think fans will get used to that and accept it. It's when a dev commits to a 1 month cycle, does a few updates that sort of meet that, then the next one takes 6 weeks, then 8 weeks, then no info or update for 3 months, etc. That's the kind of thing that really gets people riled up because everyone's thinking it's been abandoned. Not talking about you specifically, just devs in general. There will always be the troublemakers and haters, gotta have a thick skin.

Indeed. And that is my point.
Focus on the majority that is supportive instead of the few that are negative. Sadly, the few are usually the loudest.
About the 1 month cycle. That was viable at the beginning due to the lower quality combined with full-timers.
Back then a simple script that could be written in a couple of days, some few ready-made poses (everyone used em and looked stiff), simple or no animation, no lighting techniques (all games looked like each other).

But the people's expectations keep evolving. Better quality, better animation, better poses, a better script and so on and on.
All this increase the productive time. Ironically enough, it is the desire for better quality from the players themselves which increased the time it takes to make an update which the players hate.

Very much agree with communication. If a dev has not been communication for months he should be abandoned.

 

[polywog]

But the people's expectations keep evolving.

Some people, but not everyone. A lot of people are new "my first game was big brother"
others who recognize those poses and animations from the 1990s won't be impressed

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[SeventhVixen]

Unless making a very linear VN, thinking about 1 month updates is misguided. specially if not all features had been planned since first release (thing that can happen specially in patreon as a dev sees that it has support and people want new features). As game grow in content the possibilities of bugs, having to redo lots of things, rewrite code, rewrite text, grow exponentially. That and adding the new content... Any game other than a linear VN would need various people at the helm in order to provide so regular updates. And I'm talking full time of course.

And 98% of patreon nsfw games can't even really pay a single person. Player expectations is just misguided. Everyone to blame! x'D

 

[Joshua Tree]

Unless making a very linear VN, thinking about 1 month updates is misguided. specially if not all features had been planned since first release (thing that can happen specially in patreon as a dev sees that it has support and people want new features). As game grow in content the possibilities of bugs, having to redo lots of things, rewrite code, rewrite text, grow exponentially. That and adding the new content... Any game other than a linear VN would need various people at the helm in order to provide so regular updates. And I'm talking full time of course.

And 98% of patreon nsfw games can't even really pay a single person. Player expectations is just misguided. Everyone to blame! x'D

If you haven't planned the game from start, and just make it up as you go along, that sounds like a train wreck waiting to happen though. Worst thing I find with some games is when new characters get introduced to the game just to keep grow the harem into a eternal fuckfest. That's like water it down, more than any.

I think hardly anyone consider income through Patreon is actual tax'able income as well. And just stare themselves blind on numbers.

 

[megaplayboy10k]

I will say that most novelists already have the ending in mind when they start writing--it's easier to direct the plot that way. I don't always get that sense from a lot of these games. It seems like they had a general idea of a scenario, but often they seem to get stuck along the way.

 

[DysonVac]

Yay my first post!

To say the market is saturated is ridiculous, that's a bit like saying there's too much porn on PornHub. But a lot of something can dilute the quality. But so what? The more the merrier. With sites like F95zone, you don't have to pay to try any game but if you like a game enough to become a Patreon, then that game is a winner. The cream will always rise to the top.

 

[polywog]

After Patreon got hacked a lot of people quit and never went back.

 

[obibobi]

Hell no. But it's held back immensely by the difficulty of marketing and selling your game in current western society. A single reputable company with the ability and willingness to finance any legal porn games could turn things around over night but that's easier said than done.

 

[gamersglory]

Hell no. But it's held back immensely by the difficulty of marketing and selling your game in current western society. A single reputable company with the ability and willingness to finance any legal porn games could turn things around over night but that's easier said than done.

This right here is the problem in a nutshell. Any type of corporate investor would eath say no or put a lot of constraints on what kind of content you could produce.

 

[gamersglory]

If you haven't planned the game from start, and just make it up as you go along, that sounds like a train wreck waiting to happen though. Worst thing I find with some games is when new characters get introduced to the game just to keep grow the harem into a eternal fuckfest. That's like water it down, more than any.

I think hardly anyone consider income through Patreon is actual tax'able income as well. And just stare themselves blind on numbers.

Yep, people tend to think when your game raises X amount of money you get to keep all of it. at least here in the US Patreon sends you at the end of the year a 1099-MISC which means you pay a 15.3% tax rate on earnings add this to the 8% in fees you pay on each transaction.

 

[polywog]

Yep, people tend to think when your game raises X amount of money you get to keep all of it. at least here in the US Patreon sends you at the end of the year a 1099-MISC which means you pay a 15.3% tax rate on earnings add this to the 8% in fees you pay on each transaction.

you get to deduct the $200/week "consulting fee" that you give to your sister.

 

[Zippity]

Yep, people tend to think when your game raises X amount of money you get to keep all of it. at least here in the US Patreon sends you at the end of the year a 1099-MISC which means you pay a 15.3% tax rate on earnings add this to the 8% in fees you pay on each transaction.

And depending on your state, there is also state income tax... Most up and coming developers don't think that far ahead when deciding to use sites like Patreon... Because Patreon does report earnings, depending on location and amount, made by their members... And for those thinking of evading their taxes, good luck with that, especially with the U.S.'s current political climate...

Zip

 

[Joshua Tree]

Yep, people tend to think when your game raises X amount of money you get to keep all of it. at least here in the US Patreon sends you at the end of the year a 1099-MISC which means you pay a 15.3% tax rate on earnings add this to the 8% in fees you pay on each transaction.

Only 15.3%? Over here I would probably get close to 35%, So I guess this would vary a lot from where the creators actually from. And whatever other additional income you have. It all stacks up. Only thing in life that is certain is death and taxes

 

[Joshua Tree]

And depending on your state, there is also state income tax... Most up and coming developers don't think that far ahead when deciding to use sites like Patreon... Because Patreon does report earnings, depending on location and amount, made by their members... And for those thinking of evading their taxes, good luck with that, especially with the U.S.'s current political climate...

Zip

Yeah, get a tax audit seems like a lot of fun. Would been quite nice to have saved all those recites from buying assets etc you use in the game development then, rather than pirate them etc...

 

[gamersglory]

Yeah, get a tax audit seems like a lot of fun. Would been quite nice to have saved all those recites from buying assets etc you use in the game development then, rather than pirate them etc...

Forgot to add state which is 5.44% here any EU country would imagine you get robbed blind. Here you pay Federal income then State Income then City and/or County income

 

[Joshua Tree]

Forgot to add state which is 5.44% here any EU country would imagine you get robbed blind. Here you pay Federal income then State Income then City and/or County income

If I get a stroke or require open heart surgery it wont cost me a dime. I don't need to mortgagee my house 2 times over to send kids through uni either. Doesn't sound like get robbed that bad... But you know, those dangerous socialists in Northern Europe, out to destroy the world and stuff...

 

[215303j]

If I get a stroke or require open heart surgery it wont cost me a dime. I don't need to mortgagee my house 2 times over to send kids through uni either. Doesn't sound like get robbed that bad... But you know, those dangerous socialists in Northern Europe, out to destroy the world and stuff...

Not to mention the fact that tax auditors are actually quite friendly people.
Last time it turned out I made a calculation mistake and I received a couple of 1000 euro's back from them.

 

[SeventhVixen]

If you haven't planned the game from start, and just make it up as you go along, that sounds like a train wreck waiting to happen though. Worst thing I find with some games is when new characters get introduced to the game just to keep grow the harem into a eternal fuckfest. That's like water it down, more than any.

Men make plans, then life happens xD

Anyway in my case I'm working the first release throughly enought in hopes to not find many surprises afterward. But in the first four months had been surprises no matter what. Taking in consideration the classic evil Engine Update too. (some times you need to). But of course that's because I'm taking my time to release the better product I can... And because I'm not releasing on Patreon.

PS: Even if you're working on a "passion project", if you forget that is also a "product", you're doomed.

 

[Joshua Tree]

Men make plans, then life happens xD

Anyway in my case I'm working the first release throughly enought in hopes to not find many surprises afterward. But in the first four months had been surprises no matter what. Taking in consideration the classic evil Engine Update too. (some times you need to). But of course that's because I'm taking my time to release the better product I can... And because I'm not releasing on Patreon.

PS: Even if you're working on a "passion project", if you forget that is also a "product", you're doomed.

You can also spin it, if you just think of it as a product you can be doomed as well. Why does it have to be a product? Wouldn't that imply all creators just in it for the money to "sell" their product? I dare say if you claim it as a product you prone to just "blue copy" other stuff out there that does well in the hope to cash in?

 

[polywog]

let's make a generic renpy VN kit for noob developers with 4 stories to choose from. all they have to do is render some images number the images sequentially to go along with the linear story, drop them in the images folder, and the game is ready to upload. Anyone could become a game developer in no time.
story 1 is NTR
story 2 is the landlady
story 3 is the town of harem
story 4 is you're a girl now

I think we could saturate things quicker that way.