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Yeah, people will try to cover it up with the most stupid things, just so it can be on sites like Patreon, even though anyone with at least a tiny bit of common sense knows they're family, we just use a patch to restore the game to what it should be.
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Honestly, though, IMO the frustration / annoyance / whatever should be more directed toward platforms like Patreon than the developers themselves. Not entirely directed at the platforms, but moreso than the game creators. Sure, a lot of devs (most of them?) do it poorly so a conversion to "unhide" the incest really doesn't work. And I think it's understandable that devs can do a better job of making it work properly. Still, most developers can't afford to make their games for free — needing new hardware seems to be extremely common among less-established devs especially — so they pretty much need crowdfunding sites like Patreon.
It's actually a reason I always encourage devs who are open to suggestions to move to places like Subscribestar, where (at least for now) they aren't limited nearly as much to what they're allowed to include. Ironically, if they use Patreon they need to abide by their rules so they can establish a subscriber base, but then once their subscriber base is big enough it's almost certain they will continue to abide by those rules because of how much they earn.
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With the big difference that there is no information who is actually behind Subscribestar. You are making a comparison between apples and oranges here. Patreon is meant to support a creator and not a product. As such devs using it to finance their products are getting caught in their own misusage of the platform. A sculptor that also makes statues of naked people doesnt have a similar problem, they dont have to cover up parts of their statue while being on Patreon. In almost all modern societies there are 2 major areas where law enforcement works with hammers and not scalpels - those are incest and depiction of minors. For some it might not be obvious but those 2 areas are unfortunately linked with each other in less desired ways than some can imagine.
Passing responsibilty for something on to others is a common scheme nowadays. Nude and lewd patches and mods have existed for decades - before there where platforms like Patreon. Porn doesnt have a problem with it either as long as they stay away from sensitive actors that might fit too well into a role of a 'minor'.
Patreon arbitrarily bans much more than just those two topics though, based on their whims & political winds. Not a great service for free speech in general, though unfortunately they have the larger user base.
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However it is not only their own wimps. Depending on where they are situated, they may be held accountable for content on their platform and thus also have to cover their asses.
But if you're talking "free speech", any privately held company isn't the place for it.
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Let's use your own example of a sculptor as a metaphor. The sculptor is obviously the game creator, and Patreon would be one medium, like stone. Yes, it's the sculptor's fault for choosing to work in stone rather than wood, but it doesn't change the fact that stone is harder to carve without breaking.
What does it matter who is behind Subscribestar? Either a platform limits expression or it doesn't. I never said creators weren't responsible for their choice of medium, which is why I gave Subscribestar as an example. I also never tried to justify misuse of a platform. If a creator chooses a particular medium, that will come with inherent issues the creator has to accept. My whole point was that the medium itself presents the challenge. It's not the artist's efforts to overcome that are the challenge itself.
I'm not suggesting anyone should be "passing responsibility", and I'm certainly not trying to do that myself. But let's not pretend that poorly written dialogue isn't related to the medium chosen. Absolutely, creators should do a much better job of writing if they are trying to hide clearly intended incest. But you shouldn't choose a medium known to come with its own difficulties and then pretend like that medium has nothing to do with resulting problems in the product produced.
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Patreon is not comparable to the medium of the artist - what kind of nonsense argument is that?
And the owners matter since working around given laws is easy. Patreon ownership is open and transparent thus also understandable why and how their services are restrictive. Without having a clear understanding of ownership of a service it can be used for anything from money laundring to terrorist financing for all we know.
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Patreon doesn't care about incest, they just ban it because their payment processors do not allow it. If Patreon actually took the initiative to ban content than broke their TOS, they'd have to ban 90% of the adult game content on there. I'd bet my house that at least a handful of Patreon employees play these games themselves. Maybe even have accounts on this site.
They don't ban anything unless it's reported to them. Some current games are unpatched and on the site (like Bad Memories) or Haley's Story that lasted for years before it was patched. Why? Because Patreon don't do anything unless it gets reported.
People who can't get around Patreon TOS aren't trying. And Patreon themselves are largely not trying to uphold it either.
They don't ban anything unless it's reported to them. Some current games are unpatched and on the site (like Bad Memories) or Haley's Story that lasted for years before it was patched. Why? Because Patreon don't do anything unless it gets reported.
People who can't get around Patreon TOS aren't trying. And Patreon themselves are largely not trying to uphold it either.
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It's meant as an implied metaphor. I'm not literally saying Patreon is an artistic medium. You really can't see any elements that are even remotely similar at all?
Metaphor: Restrictions exist for sculptors working with stone. Any sculptor using stone must work within the limits of that medium. Hence, for anyone wanting to create a sculpture out of stone, those limits are a challenge they need to overcome.
Comparison: Restrictions exist on Patreon. Anyone using Patreon must adhere to those restrictions. Hence, for anyone wanting to create with incest in their game who chooses to use the platform, those restrictions are a challenge they need to overcome.
My point has nothing to do with the reason for restrictions, the dangers of allowing anything at all on Patreon, etc. My only point in bringing up their restrictions is that the obstacles exist because of the nature of the platform. The nature of the thing — not whether the restrictions are justified, not whether the creators shouldn't look elsewhere, not anything else — is a part of the reason for creators "hiding" the implied incest.
It would be far less common to have "my best friend's daughter who is staying with us" than just "my daughter" if restrictions on distribution / crowdfunding platforms didn't exist. Thus, the platforms are the major reason this is even in discussion in the first place.
That's basically what's happened with Cassie in Dr. Amana – Sexual Therapist. I remember that, in considerably earlier versions of this game, Cassie was absolutely without a doubt the daughter of the MC. When you entered your MC's surname at the beginning, she would then show the same surname in her character profile. Now, it's changed to showing something like, "H . . . some last name" or however exactly it's worded. I always go with a default MC name if it's provided, so I don't know whether the first letter matches with whatever the player enters as a custom surname. But the default name was Roger Harrington, so it's obvious she's supposed to be the daughter still. RomanHume only changed stuff like this after some time, and I'm pretty sure it's because policies on Patreon changed.
This is likely also true, although I can't corroborate it since I don't have any kind of stats to demonstrate its veracity. But this again goes to the point that the platform itself creates the restrictions. Whether it's based on laws, shareholders being squeamish, or anything else really isn't my point. My point is just that it exists. Because it exists, if you use the platform you have to deal with it. Developers may often deal with it poorly, but they wouldn't have awkward dialogue, etc., to begin with if the platforms didn't impose restrictions.
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At first glance I'd say you bought a fukkn Mac so expect shit and shitty function
Second Glance, Cameron, is that maybe you copied the 2.0 over the original folder?
Nope I only downloaded 2.0 never played the game before.At first glance I'd say you bought a fukkn Mac so expect shit and shitty function
Second Glance, Cameron, is that maybe you copied the 2.0 over the original folder?
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Why did you only download that one? if you want to play the game, you should download 1.1.5, and play that one first, and then play 2.0.0, but don't overwrite files, it needs its own folder.
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Version 2.0 does not have a Mac version only the original does.
You may need to boot Windows....
Or Linux...
Or anything other than (cr)Apple
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Bullshit. Ren'Py is platform agnostic. If it runs on Windows, it can run on Mac as well.Version 2.0 does not have a Mac version only the original does.
You may need to boot Windows....
Or Linux...
Or anything other than (cr)Apple
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Can confirm, but it's a user error: you're using the wrong Ren'Py version. The game got built on
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Bash:
$ rg 'version_tuple ' renpy/__init__.py
43:version_tuple = (7, 2, 2, vc_version)
You just need to do some tweaking, there are tutorials around here somewhere, though I don't know anything about it myself...
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hmm this game has bin revised 3 times and there hasnt bin anyupdates for a while which is a shame becausse this game has promise but i got a feeling that this game whill not live long anymore becausse off the 3times it alrdy got revised from scrap off.
aswhell ithas bin quite long time since whe have seen a update
aswhell ithas bin quite long time since whe have seen a update
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Indeed. It's very easy. If the newer version of the game uses the same version of Ren'Py, all you have to do is to replace the game folder inside the Mac app with the newer one from the Windows version.
If it's a newer version of Ren'Py, then download the matching Ren'Py SDK, drop the Windows game in it and build a new Mac app. The tutorial for that is here https://f95zone.to/threads/how-to-create-a-mac-version-of-any-renpy-game.3289/post-3532643