VN Ren'Py Dual Family [v1.22.1ce] [Gumdrop Games]

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Siddington

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Looks like the Fathers campaign is getting the short end of the stick this update. He's said on a few occasions that the Fathers campaign would be longer to compensate for the split paths in the Sons side but I'm skeptical now. The Sons story takes the better part of a week to write (since last Sunday by his own words) but the Fathers can be completed in a little over a day?
 
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kymico

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I played this game last summer and and decided last night to download the latest version... man where do I even start???

At some point my face became numb reading mindless conversations with little substance and I just was begging for them to STOP and to carry THE PLOT FORWARD. I played both as son and father and I didn't see much happening. The nonsensical prolonged "dreams" were a huge pain point for me. The one with the skeleton though? Impressively bad.

Worst part is the fast forwarding not working half the time, at some point I didn't give a shit anymore and just smashed my face on my keyboard.

If it wasn't for the blackmailing sister and law and slutty niece/cousin, this game would be COMPLETE shit. The non-stop "resting bitch face" from the wife/mother got to my nerves. The generic daughter/sister didn't appeal to me.

The only good scene was the son forcing myself on his aunt and even then the animation is so lacking.

Honestly, I unsubscribed from this thread after seeing very little since last summer and see this as same lame-duck milking operation I want nothing to do with.
 

Turret

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Concerning the new message from gumdrop

Good news: (far too late, but) finally the update will be here Monday with luck (low probability considering it is gumdrop) Tuesday or Wednesday, hopefully considering his track record.

Bad news: gumdrop is unbelievable! In the new message he admitted he did not start working full force on the update until a week ago, while having a "progress bar" online stating completion of update over 90+% for more than month! Nobody can be this inept in prediction the workload needed, nobody. What a lazy, lying a.., keeping in mind he gets a substantial amount of money blown up a certain body opning by the patrons eacjh month
 

-Dreamer-

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Initially, this game was very good, and now it's good, because if people are discussing it and waiting for an update, it means that it has hooked them, the best proof of that fuck as many comments on this topic. The whole problem is the developer of this game. His words do not mean anything, he is always looking for an excuse his misses which was unforgivable many. With the passage of time, he began to see in his game more money bag than his creativity and with each new update aimed at profit, he ruins his creation. I'm not angry, I'm just sad
looking at how, because of greed, slowly but surely a good game dies.
 

fr34ky

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Concerning the new message from gumdrop

Good news: (far too late, but) finally the update will be here Monday with luck (low probability considering it is gumdrop) Tuesday or Wednesday, hopefully considering his track record.

Bad news: gumdrop is unbelievable! In the new message he admitted he did not start working full force on the update until a week ago, while having a "progress bar" online stating completion of update over 90+% for more than month! Nobody can be this inept in prediction the workload needed, nobody. What a lazy, lying a.., keeping in mind he gets a substantial amount of money blown up a certain body opning by the patrons eacjh month
May be he was working mostly on his web page, I'm sure that with the next updates of the game and the story going forward, he will have a hard time trying to avoid 'patreon's rules' and he probably wants to have the website ready as a backup. I don't justify him by any mean, but think about it, if you are getting 9k-10k a month you will want to have a backup to keep getting that money every month and not losing everything from one day to another.
 

nickkk

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With all the delayed and half-assed releases, bullshit updates full of nothing but lies and false promises, a story that is going in circles and making very little progression, and no fap worthy content involving the mom/sister, I think it is clear to everyone (that isn't a delusional patreon supporter at least) that gumdrop is purposefully taking as long as possible to complete the development of this game.

The longer the development lasts, the more months he has to cash in on that 10k a month from patreon. This isn't a matter of incompetence and laziness, this is a matter of a man who has never had an opportunity to make so much money in his life taking full advantage of the opportunity he has now. And honestly I can't really blame him for that, I'd do the same thing.

His patreon supporters have shown no awareness to the fact that gumdrop is taking advantage of their support to purposefully take as long as possible to develop this game so he can continue milking them for their money. He has people willing to defend him and give him a ton of money, despite him making it painfully obvious that he is taking advantage of them. There is no incentive for him to put out regular, quality releases, in fact it's the opposite. He has much more incentive to continue taking advantage of his patreon supporters for all that money. Even if half of them were to withdraw their pledges he'd still be getting 5k a month. This guy has no reason to develop this game in a reasonable manner with all that money he's getting.

People honestly shouldn't be getting mad at gumdrop, instead laugh at all the delusional sheep on his patreon and discord who are so desperate for an incest porn games with decent renders that they're willing to delude themselves into thinking they're not being taking advantage of. There's no shortage of incest games, and if you are that desperate for them I suggest you look into ITH, translation aggregator, and VNDB.
 

Vanaduke

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While the wait continues I made a little something to spark a little conversation to hold us over. I'd like to hear your thoughts on the Dreams of Desire mom compared to the Dual Family mom.

Here's a collage of images to help you compare.

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Lewdlab delivers a quality game and loyal to his promises and premises, gumdrop on the other hand has a degree in bachelor of arts in blue-balling schmuckery. The Dreams of desire mom doesn't feel nor act like a mom however. There's little to no realism, generic flirtatious, naive and straight I-need-to-fuck-my-son-just-because. Classic adult vanilla mom persona. Husband in coma? Better fuck my son. Caught siblings fucking? Better fuck em both. At least in Dual Family, it realistically approaches separation and broken family drama despite Gumdrop's predatory schemes.

Even to this day, I still hypothesize the game will end with murder or complete breakdown. I'm not expecting a happy ending. I had enough of fictitious fantasy incest, I need something closer to reality since that ain't happening in my life.

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Anywho, going off-topic. Which color schematics should I consider in my part 2. No-light or with-light?

No light--------------------------------------------------------------With light
 

Joshua Tree

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People honestly shouldn't be getting mad at gumdrop, instead laugh at all the delusional sheep on his patreon and discord who are so desperate for an incest porn games with decent renders that they're willing to delude themselves into thinking they're not being taking advantage of. There's no shortage of incest games, and if you are that desperate for them I suggest you look into ITH, translation aggregator, and VNDB.
So how much have you spent on his Patreon? Just curious.

People spend their money on what they feel like, and support who they want. Someone could spend a fortune on something I would call bat shit crazy where others would applaude it. Name calling the people that eventually trinkle the release down to those that ain't supporting probably wouldn't buy you any favors.
 

Turret

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I think it is clear to everyone hat gumdrop is purposefully taking as long as possible to complete the development of this game.
The longer the development lasts, the more months he has to cash in on that 10k a month from patreon. This isn't a matter of incompetence and laziness, this is a matter of a man who has never had an opportunity to make so much money in his life taking full advantage of the opportunity he has now. And honestly I can't really blame him for that, I'd do the same thing.
While fully understandable, gumdrop fails to understand three concepts: Honour, Respect and longterm thinking.
Honour: You can be upfront with your audience without resorting to lying and misdirection. I could never justify to myself such crap behaviour gumdrop exhibits, it is an affront to my honour as a writer and man of my word. gumdrop fails at basic decency, because greed got the better of him. He spits on his own work in spirit. Even writers of pennydreadfuls, who do it openly for money, want to deliver quality work as much as the constrains of the situation allows.
gumdrop on the other hand talks much about quality, but how much quality cna be in it, if he states that he started working on the update about a week ago, when he is nearly three months late? Months he had enough time to make an update which could blow us away? Considering the good quality of his artwork, gumdrop could be several times the developer he his if he honoured his being a developer and worked with his early dedication on it instead the lazy, milking a... his greed made him.

Respect: gumdrop´s behaviour is a disrespect to the audience and his work. It is evident he lies and breaks promises made and tops it off with excuses which are an insult to our intelligence. Getting much money made him lose respect to his followers and his brainchild, since instead working on bringing about updates that make the eyes shine with joy, he deliberately gives out just passable updates to stretch the time as much as possible. DF has much potential which he deliberatly does not use.
He disrespects his own work with such behaviour.
When I look back at some of my earliest works, I know I could write them better today, but still I hold them dear, since I can say to myself I wrote it the best I could back then. That is what the creation of a novel, a game, a song, etc. is about. You have the idea and you do it the best you can at that moment in time. Gumdrop began like that until the money signs get up his head. Now he does just enough to keep most of the audience and his work suffers for it.

Longterm thinking: Yes, gumdrop takes in a lot of money and will for quite a time due to his milking ways. But what he does not see is that he burns goodwill and bridges to many fans of his game. When he starts developing a new game, many people will remember that and I doubt he will get as many patrons as DF does.
Had he kept up his ealry efforts with regular, fun, quality updates, Df would be an even better game and the audience would remember this. His second game would certainly get comparable or even higher numbers of patrons, giving him a long term nice income.
Now instead, we have enough patrons and audience of gumdrop here in the forum who are getting fed up with him. I doubt, they will be among the guys giving money to gumdrop when he starts a secong game someday.
 

Joshua Tree

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I think a lot of people fail to realize, just because you support a Patreon, it doesn't mean that person work for you. You not entitled to anything at a given time, or whatever, it just means you support the creator by free will (and if you do not support the creator to start with, you got even less reason to moan).

I got no idea what gumdrop does for real life, job, school, real life situation whatever. Its easy for forum keyboard warriors to talk about honor, disrespect, bad behavior and what not. But without know the above, you are just talking down on someone you know nothing about apart from he/she is making and adult game and got a Patreon.

You see in just about any adult game on Patreon people start talk about "oh they just milking it" when their monthly start reach a certain level. Should think their Patreon size reflect their popularity if any at all. And despite popular beliefs creators is not dumb people. They would know it start reflect badly and Patreon drops if they stop deliver on expectations, but at same time, people really need to start lower their expectations somewhat too.

And before people start spew crap about I'm just a fan boy defending gumdrop, I said basically the same about a lot of creators on Patreon, because, hey, common sense.
 
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ralf21

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@Joshua Tree No one here is moaning, as far as i can see most people are just happily bashing an irritating (if business savvy) dev, and in the process laughing in disbelief at the number of people who'd be willing to pay monthly to be blue-balled reading a bare bones story.
We all know how Patreon works, thank you. If you can't see how going past a certain level of support with no repercussion on the product's quality or impact on the dev's ability to deliver then the whole thing only hurts the industry, there's little i can do for you. After all the purpose is to support creators, the more the better, not pay for a single one's retirement. Yes, People are free to do with their money as they please, doesn't forbid us from pointing out there might be a better use for it.
But maybe i just lack common sense, who knows.
 

Joshua Tree

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@Joshua Tree No one here is moaning, as far as i can see most people are just happily bashing an irritating (if business savvy) dev, and in the process laughing in disbelief at the number of people who'd be willing to pay monthly to be blue-balled reading a bare bones story.
We all know how Patreon works, thank you. If you can't see how going past a certain level of support with no repercussion on the product's quality or impact on the dev's ability to deliver then the whole thing only hurts the industry, there's little i can do for you. After all the purpose is to support creators, the more the better, not pay for a single one's retirement. Yes, People are free to do with their money as they please, doesn't forbid us from pointing out there might be a better use for it.
But maybe i just lack common sense, who knows.
Well, creators on Patredon does a lot of things. Anything from draw pictures, make model planes, eat weird shit, do pod casts , or make adult games and anything in between. If people support them doing what they are doing, that is up to them. If they later find out they don't like where things are heading they stop pledge that is their choice too.

At current time I pledge to 5 different Patreons (and no, gumdrop is not one of them, and no, its not just adult games), I would supported more, but hey, just so much money to go around. I tend to switch it up now and then though. I never really expect anything from my pledge, other than the creator keep doing what made me pledge in the first place. Sometimes the initial impression was much better than the follow up, and I would cancel the pledge and pledge to someone/something else. But wouldn't necessary keep me from pledge again at a later time if things changed again.

It would be very foolish to base your primary income and future on Patreon, unless you actually can make it into a full time job with predicted security. I hardly think creating adult games would cover that aspect, seeing you can make one good game and the next one would bomb. And the likelyhood of the creator get a dryspell when it come to creativity and inspiration.

Bottom line, if you pledge and it heads no where, stop pledge. Opinions like assholes, we all got them, and they do smell. Just going after creators is just as pointless as people start diss you for not doing good in school, or your job effiency sucks, or critique your real life without know anything about you.
 

Joshua Tree

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It's also common sense that he deserves everything he gets and more. The fact = He's lying sack of shit.
Fact and a opinion is not the same. Although he might have stated things he haven't delivered on I got no clue about or read anything about. But I also know sometimes real life happens, which is just another version of shit happens. And things doesn't pan out as intended. If you haven't been in such a situation before, then grats with a flawless life -)
 

Temo1996

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Lewdlab delivers a quality game and loyal to his promises and premises, gumdrop on the other hand has a degree in bachelor of arts in blue-balling schmuckery. The Dreams of desire mom doesn't feel nor act like a mom however. There's little to no realism, generic flirtatious, naive and straight I-need-to-fuck-my-son-just-because. Classic adult vanilla mom persona. Husband in coma? Better fuck my son. Caught siblings fucking? Better fuck em both. At least in Dual Family, it realistically approaches separation and broken family drama despite Gumdrop's predatory schemes.

Even to this day, I still hypothesize the game will end with murder or complete breakdown. I'm not expecting a happy ending. I had enough of fictitious fantasy incest, I need something closer to reality since that ain't happening in my life.

___________________________________________________

Anywho, going off-topic. Which color schematics should I consider in my part 2. No-light or with-light?

No light--------------------------------------------------------------With light
Wow, with light it's actually much better
 

Siddington

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Fact and a opinion is not the same. Although he might have stated things he haven't delivered on I got no clue about or read anything about. But I also know sometimes real life happens, which is just another version of shit happens. And things doesn't pan out as intended. If you haven't been in such a situation before, then grats with a flawless life -)
How long did it take you to write this last comment? 2 mins? That's about the same amount of time it would take Kyle (Gumdrop) to write a Patreon post letting his paying patrons know whenever "real life happens" or "shit happens" and how it will delay a release. I think we all understand that sometimes events beyond our control happen but it really isn't hard for the developer to keep his patrons informed.

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I think my point is that you coming here and white knighting apparently without knowing the full information isn't fair. The Developer doesn't seem able to keep even the most pessimistic deadlines he sets for himself and his communication regarding development delays is next to nonexistent most of the time. He does talk in his Discord and sometimes updates people there but you've got to wonder how many of his patrons use Discord on a regular basis.
 
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