VN Ren'Py Dual Family [v1.22.1ce] [Gumdrop Games]

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TrropJunior

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hmmmm, let's look, shall we?

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nope, I'm just not seeing the difference ....

the new files are .png and average 5x the size of the originals. The clarity of every picture is improved, as is the lighting and skin tone.
There is a HUGE difference. Being somewhat experienced with Daz, I know the struggle of getting all your settings right and making the image look as best as possible. The old one's look dull (bad lighting), somewhat grainy, but most importantly, the characters don't really look like they're in the scene, but overlays (mom nude looking in her wardrobe image shows this best). The only thing I really hate is that red sweater, it makes the daughters boobs look square and weird looking.
 

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There is a HUGE difference. Being somewhat experienced with Daz, I know the struggle of getting all your settings right and making the image look as best as possible. The old one's look dull (bad lighting), somewhat grainy, but most importantly, the characters don't really look like they're in the scene, but overlays (mom nude looking in her wardrobe image shows this best). The only thing I really hate is that red sweater, it makes the daughters boobs look square and weird looking.
I'm a game developer too (in Unity) and those kind of changes are only noticed by other game developers.
They are very subtle.. the lightning and colors could have been fixed in Photoshop but for some reason he decided to waste days on re-rendering everything again. If he really wanted to make a difference he could have increased textures resolution and improve materials quality (such as sister's sweater).

At this moment, I'm hoping for new scenes to make this update worthwhile my pledge.
 

TrropJunior

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I'm a game developer too (in Unity) and those kind of changes are only noticed by other game developers.
They are very subtle.. the lightning and colors could have been fixed in Photoshop but for some reason he decided to waste days on re-rendering everything again. If he really wanted to make a difference he could have increased textures resolution and improve materials quality (such as sister's sweater).

At this moment, I'm hoping for new scenes to make this update worthwhile my pledge.
True but I think I he re-rendered the images so the quality flowed through the updates and there wasn't a sudden change in lighting. As for more content I really don't think there will be. I think the main focus was the new image quality. There might be a few extra scenes to help the game flow but I doubt it.
 

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Damn, I was looking forward to playing this before going on holiday... on Monday. At least I have something to look forward to when I'm back. Thanks for the update though!

So if I had any say in it, I would "give" the cousin to the son and the aunt to the father, because by going too overboard with the possible sexual encounters, the game runs the risk of loosing its biggest strength.
Agreed, storywise. Gameplay-wise, I guess it's nice to have as many options as possible. Though so far, the cousin is only blackmailing the father. Within this framework it's possible to have sex scenes with the cousin without it ever turning into anything "real". Similarly, the aunt could look at the son growing up and think "well, I cannot have father, might as well go for the son then" ("Seductive aunt"). It's hard, but it could work when done properly. Let's hope for the best.

True but I think I he re-rendered the images so the quality flowed through the updates and there wasn't a sudden change in lighting. As for more content I really don't think there will be. I think the main focus was the new image quality. There might be a few extra scenes to help the game flow but I doubt it.
He seems to add additional story choices & new scenes to the existing chapters, to complete all the options that he had originally envisioned. That's what he put in his public changelog on Patreon anyway. The images are definitely crisper though, but I guess I've also learned enough about Daz the last few months to appreciate minor lighting improvements.
 

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hmmmm, let's look, shall we?

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nope, I'm just not seeing the difference ....

the new files are .png and average 5x the size of the originals. The clarity of every picture is improved, as is the lighting and skin tone.
Holy fucking shit, THAT'S what he wasted a month working on?

Hahahaha.
 
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Holy fucking shit, THAT'S what he wasted a month working on?

Hahahaha.
Well it is a drastic improvement to lighting.

But we could have done this ourselves if it bothered us that much by simply adjusting our monitors.
1 month on this alone must be a fallacy, tho.

Probably other stuff under the hood.

Could be good for the future.
 
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Agreed, storywise. Gameplay-wise, I guess it's nice to have as many options as possible. Though so far, the cousin is only blackmailing the father. Within this framework it's possible to have sex scenes with the cousin without it ever turning into anything "real". Similarly, the aunt could look at the son growing up and think "well, I cannot have father, might as well go for the son then" ("Seductive aunt"). It's hard, but it could work when done properly. Let's hope for the best.
Personally, I would ALWAYS choose quality over quantity.
Maybe you're right, and he somehow manages to implement all these characters in a believable way, but imo, it's just not necessary. The son already has three possible partners (if the sister becomes an option in the future), why add a "Seductive aunt"? If he starts adding characters just for the sake of a sex scene, the game could easily become just one of many, and that would really be a shame, because right now, the characters actually stand out. Actually, let me rephrase that. I'm fine with adding characters just for the sake of a sex scene if it makes sense storywise (the girl at the party for example), but the main characters are different.
But since we can hardly influence the story from here and the decision is already made, let's just hope for the best, like you said.

Edit: A question: I'm considering becoming a patron, but this whole remaster thing kinda puts me off, so could someone tell me how often he released an update in the past and how much content there was each update?
 
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Nemi

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Personally, I would ALWAYS choose quality over quantity.
I'm with you on that. The nice thing about a concept like this is that you can split the women between both characters, so you still get to have anyone you want in the game as a whole.

Edit: A question: I'm considering becoming a patron, but this whole remaster thing kinda puts me off, so could someone tell me how often he released an update in the past and how much content there was each update?
That's hard to say. The first 4 acts were made part-time, and now he's moved to doing it full-time. He hasn't released anything since his switch, so it's hard to say at this point how this translates to the amount of playable content per month. He aims to release new acts at least once per month. The current version has 4 acts which were roughly equal length. It's about 10 minutes for both Dad and Son, and a few different storylines. With his switch to full-time, we should get more content. How much more, we don't know.
 
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I'm a game developer too (in Unity) and those kind of changes are only noticed by other game developers.
They are very subtle.. the lightning and colors could have been fixed in Photoshop but for some reason he decided to waste days on re-rendering everything again. If he really wanted to make a difference he could have increased textures resolution and improve materials quality (such as sister's sweater).

At this moment, I'm hoping for new scenes to make this update worthwhile my pledge.
I don't know about all this negativity, i love new quality. I'm not game delevoper, and i know almost nothing about Daz, but i clearly see all changes in lighting, new angles and stuff. It's definitely a lot better and juicier. Maybe you all see it different from professional view.
 
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I don't know about all this negativity, i love new quality. I'm not game delevoper, and i know almost nothing about Daz, but i clearly see all changes in lighting, new angles and stuff. It's definitely a lot better and juicier. Maybe you all see it different from professional view.
They are less grainy and more color warm so def a improvement, i only wish he changed the resolution to 1080px as well.
 
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I don't know about all this negativity, i love new quality. I'm not game delevoper, and i know almost nothing about Daz, but i clearly see all changes in lighting, new angles and stuff. It's definitely a lot better and juicier. Maybe you all see it different from professional view.
It's not a huge difference but side by side the quality difference (pixelation/film grain) makes a noticeable difference.
If he maintains this quality throughout his future updates I'll be perfectly happy with this update.
 

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I don't really know what to say. If i already complete all stuff with mom, i forget about her and read stuff with daughter. I consider both routes as different worlds. Yes, i prefer younger male/older woman too and read this content first.
If so, you are far better at forgetting who these characters are than me. When I play through the F/D story, I know what's happening on the other route - because I played it and I'm more interested in that route.

That said, I also agree with berny; don't think adding more characters/options is a good idea. This game is already straining my ability to believe he can do it in a timely fashion with the two stories.

There is this rule of thumb in fiction writing, that varies per author but roughly goes something like this: Each character adds about 1000 words to the scene/story, each new location adds another 1000 words to the scene/story, and each plot thread adds about 50% more to the complete length of the story. And this is mostly for short stories, longer stories can waffle a bit more about things at length.

It doesn't really apply straight into games or VN's because graphics and game mechanics (plus the lack of descriptions in VN's), but the point still stands. To give a character enough depth to be worth adding into a story, they will need several scenes, good number of dialogue lines, a plot of their own or two, and possibly a new location.

All of these add either writing/words, or graphical work into the game, usually both. Options are nice, but honestly single developers are much better off focusing on stories with as few characters as possible with tightly contained plot threads, or alternatively ignoring the story in favor of old fashioned porn. But I liked this game because it had at least decently written plot so far. So I don't think that latter option is viable.

Also, as a comparison, this post (excluding the quote) is 297 words long.
 

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If so, you are far better at forgetting who these characters are than me. When I play through the F/D story, I know what's happening on the other route - because I played it and I'm more interested in that route.
It's not always "happening", you know. Yes, both routes are somewhat connected, but your choices is really matter in that aspect. Later, these routes can become completely different to each other. We most probably can "throw father away" as son, and do the same to son in father's route. I think it's just more enjoyable to see mom as just wife in father's route, and not facts that you know "son probably wants to fuck her now, what to do to prevent this". Or some thoughts like that. And i think that's what author wants us to do, to see stories as completely different worlds. Even though some things will happen in both routes, we always can sabotage all that to our benefit. Our choices is everything.

That said, I also agree with berny; don't think adding more characters/options is a good idea. This game is already straining my ability to believe he can do it in a timely fashion with the two stories.
He's not "adding". Aunt and cousin ALWAYS was mentioned as available choices for both routes on patreon page. It's not new, it's not surprise. And, Gumdrop said that, even though Mother/Son and Father/Daughter gets most time for romance, all other pairings (including minor characters, Brother\Sister, Husband\Wife etc.) will get a pretty decent amount too. Just less than those "canon" pairings. Yes, it's more and more work. But i think Gumdrop can take this now as full-time job. It's not that many characters, and there wouldn't be more main ones anyway. Who i'm kidding, he's most probably already have plans on things like that.
 
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Do we know if there will be plot changes or extra scenes ? Because im not sure it was actually worth the wait. Sure it looks pretier, but it already looked quite good to begin with... so it kind of feels pointless.
 
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It's entirely up to you if you want to play his game each month, because f95zone will provide the game for free, but as far as being worth the wait, the phrase is pointless. Either you wait the one month and play the game with updated graphics, or you wait two months, when he's done updating graphics and has re-focussed on the story.

If you're supporting him through patreon and dont want to support him this month ... then don't.

If he decided to take a month off development of the game (he hasn't, this is a hypathetical), you could choose to play when he updates or you could choose to not play the game.

I really don't understand why you guys are so bent out of shape by his decision this month. He hasn't abandoned the game and he hasn't taken the story into a completely different direction. If you guys think you'll be so disappointed by the update then, as i said before, just wait till the august update arrives.

It's like I'm reading comments from children who want their toy right now and are throwing a tantrum because mom and dad just won't allow them to do what they want.
 
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