Although the clash of some people in regard of this game make the hunger game seems like kindergarten 
He can't be serious look guy's the year long delay is good he is actually doing you an favor....
Ahh you're right. It's more like Dashcon. I just like using hyperbole.The Fyre Festival? Really. He invited you to an island where you ended up re-enact some weird mix of lord of the flies and hunger games?
Whether the story is pre-written is up to the decision of the creator. What's given you the impression Gumdrops knows where the story is going? My theory is it ends with us leaving to Switzerland, depressed and alone thus far, as we write type away at an old type writer in a greasy white vest in a dingy apartment about our 'forbidden love we never acted on.'
That's all well and good, except he's not writing a book. He's on Patreon. George R.R Martin is not selling himself out for monthly donations to release the next chapter. If Gumdrops was so convinced of his amazing plot/VN Novel and he has truly dedicated himself to insanely long cycles. He should remove the patreon, be upfront with his fans, and start a kickstarter instead, (I am well aware that will never happen).
I didn't say Gumdrop had the story written already. I said it would be the best scenario if creators had. It's like well over 20 years ago I was writing on a thesis, but that wasn't done in a day, week or a month. And I had to go back and re-write parts and still give me nightmares just to think about it. Not to far fetched to think he just working on something he want perfected, at least in his own eyes.
Patreon is about support the creator. I think a lot of people have a hard time accept that fact. By support, you don't subscribe to a service, you don't buy something, and the creator not selling anything. You are not entitled to ANYTHING. And guess what? If you end up don't like what the creator does after you support, you can take your ball and go home.
The creator and you have a mutually beneficial agreement. 'They' advertise what they want to make, 'They' promise in return what you will get for 'your' support, whatever that may be. You, after donating at that point, ARE ENTITLED to something. You have willingly agreed to help someone financially insentivised with the returned promise interest. If you ask me for $1000 dollars to invest in X-ray goggles, and promise me in return I will get one for free when it's done. You are morally obliged to live up (or at least try live up) to your end of the deal. While there is no legal accountability to Patreon, your reputation as a developer and the financial pull you draw in will dwindle dramatically the more you are perceived as dishonest or unreliable. (Unless you get yourself a little cult following I guess).
Can't wait to read it, at this point I'm expecting Ernest Hemingway.
Gumdrop is that you homie, nice to see you around...Many is upset over why things take so long time, critical to the writing, story and what not. Creators fall between many chairs, artists, writers, musicians, etc. Some perfectionists in their own head, not necessary considered by others, but what others see a creator as doesn't really matter.
How many games on this site have half arsed story with hardly two coherent sentences strung together? With shorter dev cycles story content could suffer as well. Imho the best scenario is where the creator already got the story written and completed. Not jus the idea of the story. Tbh I don't think that happen very often. We seen games head of with a flying start and then halt and catch fire.
Some people could spend a lifetime writing on a book for it never to be published. Or paint a picture that would never be shared with the public. Any GOT fan's here? Put "George R.R Martin" under verbal siege for not finish the next book yet? Creators with some regard for themselves release things when they feel happy about their piece. regardless of what it is.
The whole milking it, is rather pointless. As he pointed out himself, he could made so much more with shorter dev cycles. Whatever he does he do for his own sake, not yours. Patreon is a platform where you support the creator, you don't subscribe to a service or buy a product.
This probably where someone want to stab me with a fork and yell fanboy, but truth is, I don't really care if things take time, or if things get released at all. Slightly disappointed maybe.. Hey, how about that next episode of "Half Life"?, yeah....about that
Looks like you are mixing up such as Kickstarter with Patreon. If you look at the Patreon guidelines I can't find anything about a creator is bound to give you anything in exchange for your support. There is podcasts, blogs, youtube channels and heaps of random stuff on Patreon that doesn't necessary give anything else than somewhat entertainment value for the interested audience.
Always nice when the peanut gallery is chiming in. If you don't really have anything worth the while saying, why say anything at all?
I've honestly heard this argument multiples times on different game threads (quite often from yourself) and while it is strictly true yes, it is also incredibly frustrating. Yes by the nature of the platform you're not technically buying a product or service but this does come with a level of expectation from the payer to the payee. It is expected that payee will provide the payer with something at least on a semi regular basis to compensate for the continued support. While PinUps and the like may fit into this category we both know this is not the real reason I can imagine the majority of people are supporting a person/corporate entity for. I'm sure this differs depending on the Patreon account in question and while some people will support a person out of the goodness of their heart or because they believe in a certain cause/artistic vision/person, the majority of people will expect some recompense for their cash. While there may be no Patreon small print people can point too, is it too much to expect some common decency in the world today. While people maybe free to cancel at any time I think the Sunk Cost Fallacy comes into play a lot of the time. Most people don't want to admit they've back a donkey (Sad Ken, the three legged, blind horse? Anyone?) and it's why people will go to great lengths to defend the indefensible.
Look, Josh...You're killing me here.
I agree Patreon can be frustrating. But the good thing with the platform is if your initial impression is good and you decide to support, then it turns out different you can stop support and you not really wasted that much on do it. I support a couple adult games on Patreon, and a a couple youtube shows. The later for the entertainment value they offer. In regard of the former, I fully understand that a single dev working on a game and use Patreon as platform; things take time, a lot of time. Why I spread my support around from month to month. If someone create something that give me some entertainment value and I would like to see some more from them, I try tip the jar. But as there is many creators and I can't really afford to tip all of the at the same time, I try spread it around.
In regard of your bar example; If five guys agreeing on buy round's they agreed on something.
Forgot..
Imho the story of Hemingway's life is far more interesting than his actual works (then again, I haven't read all he wrote), but that is just my opinion.is there really something like this or just rumors? he should be abandoded. so cute how everyone still believes here. <3
