VN Ren'Py Dual Family [v1.22.1ce] [Gumdrop Games]

[Joshua Tree]

Why do you think that among these commentators there are no people who were not his patrons? Besides the fact that people express their thoughts here, they warn newbies in such a way that this developer regularly fails his target release dates, constantly transferring them. After all, many people learn about games from this site and become patrons.
Moreover, each developer must be prepared for the consequences of his mistakes, and he has them. After all, as they say, There is no smoke without fire.

Did I say there was no patreons of his here? or anyone who hadn't spent any? I said vote with your money, its your strongest argument. Name calling and throw sticks'n stones bring you nowhere. Amazing how you need to protect people over what they spend on. How about loot boxes, cash shops in online games. Booze, unhealthy food. What else? If someone want to support him, let them. If some of his supporters decide fuck it and pull their subs, let them.. why should we give a flying fuck over it?
Name the last 10 things you spent money on and I tell you what you shouldn't have on, and I need to warn other people to not spend on shit like you do? Does that make sense at all? No, it doesn't.

There is a saying, bad publicity is still publicity. People might still get interested just wondering wtf all the drama about.

 

[ilikemomsonincest]

How about loot boxes, cash shops in online games. Booze, unhealthy food. What else?

How is any of that relevant? This is a porn game website, people come here that are interested in porn games, it's only fair people know what gumdrop is all about so they know which porn games are worth financially supporting.

 

[Pal_]

the study talk with the token best friend is the best talk ever.

Did I say there was no patreons of his here? or anyone who hadn't spent any? I said vote with your money, its your strongest argument. Name calling and throw sticks'n stones bring you nowhere. Amazing how you need to protect people over what they spend on. How about loot boxes, cash shops in online games. Booze, unhealthy food. What else? If someone want to support him, let them. If some of his supporters decide fuck it and pull their subs, let them.. why should we give a flying fuck over it?
Name the last 10 things you spent money on and I tell you what you shouldn't have on, and I need to warn other people to not spend on shit like you do? Does that make sense at all? No, it doesn't.

There is a saying, bad publicity is still publicity. People might still get interested just wondering wtf all the drama about.

you´re right, but we still can criticize that. I don´t understand the amount of pledges he gets, I don´t understand how people literally spend over a thousands of bucks for a tiny update of an iPhone or any other smartphone, and I don´t understand how people can spend 50 Dollars for a tiny roster update every year (Fifa). The list goes on and on and on. Fact is, many people support that, other people suffer from that. Over expensive smartphones, shitty games out there with microtransactions, barely any good single player game anymore, tons of early access shitgames, over expensive graphic cards and a ton of shit wannabe scum developers in this space, who abandon their games 2 - 8 months later, vanishing and still taking money because they know they can.
And yes, every patreon suffers from that. Now you can ask me, whose fault is that….I´d say it´s not the fault of the devs, gumdrop or anyone else. It´s the fault of many patreons, who throw out their money without anything in return. These type of patreons attract tons of new scammy devs, and therefore drag many other patreons in the boat with them, when they get scammed. And yes, not delivering for more than a year, broken words and broken words in the past, but still getting this much and even more, gives a bad picture to this space. Criticizing his patreons for that, is completely justifiable. They literally shout to any new potential scammer: "Come here. I´d give you my money for nothing."

 

[Joshua Tree]

How is any of that relevant? This is a porn game website, people come here that are interested in porn games, it's only fair people know what gumdrop is all about so they know which porn games are worth financially supporting.

There is a lot of threads on this forum, where creators get bashed, verbal abused, called milkers, even some with hardly two patreons to rubb together. Tell us about all the porn you spent money on, games, movies, what not and we judge what "worthy" shit you spent on. Might have to warn others over crap you spent on? Can't have anyone rubb their nuts over wrong type of porn can we? This entire thing is silly.

 

[Jim Webb]

I thought this thread would be declared dead if he did not release update by 25th.

 

[Joshua Tree]

you´re right, but we still can criticize that. I don´t understand the amount of pledges he gets, I don´t understand how people literally spend over a thousands of bucks for a tiny update of an iPhone or any other smartphone, and I don´t understand how people can spend 50 Dollars for a tiny roster update every year (Fifa). The list goes on and on and on. Fact is, many people support that, other people suffer from that. Over expensive smartphones, shitty games out there with microtransactions, barely any good single player game anymore, tons of early access shitgames, over expensive graphic cards and a ton of shit wannabe scum developers in this space, who abandon their games 2 - 8 months later, vanishing and still taking money because they know they can.
And yes, every patreon suffers from that. Now you can ask me, whose fault is that….I´d say it´s not the fault of the devs, gumdrop or anyone else. It´s the fault of many patreons, who throw out their money without anything in return. These type of patreons attract tons of new scammy devs, and therefore drag many other patreons in the boat with them, when they get scammed. And yes, not delivering for more than a year, broken words and broken words in the past, but still getting this much and even more, gives a bad picture to this space. Criticizing his patreons for that, is completely justifiable. They literally shout to any new potential scammer: "Come here. I´d give you my money for nothing."

Still there is redemption cases. If you look towards the gaming industry and take one of the worst train wrecks of late years. "No Man Sky", the devs managed to turn that boat around, it took hard work and time, but they did. Then you have like Tell Tell Games, that went belly up and those that bought a season pass for like last season of Walking Dead, still got no idea if they end up get that last episode or not.

There is also creators of adult games that been notorious for start projects and then scrap them and start on other ones. Or why not bring up Dark Silver with Big Brother, and what a shit show that turned out. He still make a game, one I have no interest follow at all based on how BB ended up. He did pull way more money than what Gumdrop does, and by far screwed the fans over royally.

Tbh, I enjoyed the xmas episode Gumdrop made. It wasn't the fap fest people wanted, but imho, it show he still work on things. If he had no regard or interest into it, the content would reflected it, but it didn't. But if someone speeding through just to chase something to fap over, they wouldn't notice that at all.

End of the day, as a consumer you vote with your money. What the next person next to you do, is their choice, you can scream at them and tell them they are stupid spending on shit you wouldn't, bit still their choice.

 

[ilikemomsonincest]

There is a lot of threads on this forum, where creators get bashed, verbal abused, called milkers, even some with hardly two patreons to rubb together. Tell us about all the porn you spent money on, games, movies, what not and we judge what "worthy" shit you spent on. Might have to warn others over crap you spent on? Can't have anyone rubb their nuts over wrong type of porn can we? This entire thing is silly.

lol what?

This is a porn game website where lots of potential patreon supporters find devs to support. There's nothing wrong with talking about certain devs habits so people can decide if they're worth supporting or not. Why would you discuss other stuff besides porn games on a porn game forum.

 

[thenono]

Amazing how you need to protect people over what they spend on. How about loot boxes, cash shops in online games. Booze, unhealthy food. What else? If someone want to support him, let them. If some of his supporters decide fuck it and pull their subs, let them.. why should we give a flying fuck over it?
Name the last 10 things you spent money on and I tell you what you shouldn't have on, and I need to warn other people to not spend on shit like you do? Does that make sense at all? No, it doesn't.

I think its pretty clear by now that many of us are not going to agree with your way of thinking nor you with ours, this thread has been going round in circles for days, weeks, months hell were nearly at a year.... and it'll probably be at a thousand pages at this rate before he actually drops an update (my guess for the next published and missed deadline is the 1 year anniversary btw).

if people want to come to this public forum to vent and issue warnings to others about the dev then they have every right until such time as the mods tell us otherwise or they lock this thread, same as you have every right to argue for him but do we all need to argue every single post that criticises him.... he has mislead people, he has failed to achieve multiple self imposed deadlines over the last few updates, all current evidence points to no imminent release and he has repeatedly failed to learn from his mistakes, its only fair that any newbies get to know this before going in.

Using a similar analogy to your own, if im making a purchase some tech for example, do i just go and get it straight off without any prior knowledge of the manufacturer or the model number, no i look at review sites and forums and do my research before hand. Are these filtered, is every negative comment argued by the manufacturer or someone on their behalf, is every review factually correct, no. thats all these are, you've provided yours and several others have provided theirs what bearing this has any on potential patreon is up for them to decide.

 

[Joshua Tree]

Using a similar analogy to your own, if im making a purchase some tech for example, do i just go and get it straight off without any prior knowledge of the manufacturer or the model number, no i look at review sites and forums and do my research before hand. Are these filtered, is every negative comment argued by the manufacturer or someone on their behalf, is every review factually correct, no. thats all these are, you've provided yours and several others have provided theirs what bearing this has any on potential patreon is up for them to decide.

Uh, the numbers of people who just run to the stores to get the next big thing. The next model version and so forth is incredible. The most sensible is to wait for user feed backs, and user reviews, but a large number of people doesn't. In terms of reviews, particular on entertainment products and consumables. Some is highly subjective. You will find good reviews that carry a objective narrative far between tbh. Opinions, like assholes, everyone got them and they splitt down the middle.

There is a rating and review feature on this forum. Make one for the thread should be good enough right? No need for name calling and wild accusations and such. But tbh, if you going to make a honest one you also need to include and consider what he actually done so far. People can be critical in a "polite" way. Kinda like act like human beings. How you would act in real life towards someone. Would you go up to someone in real life and verbally abuse them thinking that is a good way to approach a situation?

 

[thenono]

if you going to make a honest one you also need to include and consider what he actually done so far. People can be critical in a "polite" way. Kinda like act like human beings. How you would act in real life towards someone. Would you go up to someone in real life and verbally abuse them thinking that is a good way to approach a situation?

it isnt up to you to police this forum, everyone has a right to be critical in anyway the forum permits.

the majority of goodwill for kyle here appears to be long gone and in all seriousness can you blame anyone but him for that? his work was decent 10 months ago, and i do mean decent nothing more.... its not on a par with Depraved awakening, Deluca family or even Milfy city, in either writing or renders (yes i'm aware this is my own personal opinion, not stating as fact although this only currently has a 2.5 star rating here). Fact is he hasnt produced anything other than a Christmas update in 10 months while missing several deadlines and not making clear his development cycle from the beginning....

as for what i would do if i saw him in real life, well i cant answer that as i cant afford to be in the high roller lounge or 5 star hotels every night so it would never happen. not all of us earn $10k+ month lol

anyway ive banged my head against this proverbial brick wall for the night

 

[goobdoob]

Guys, I've figured it out! He's on the Julian calendar! It's only January 11th!

 

[muttdoggy]

I wish I could add the "abandoned" tag but he's still talking about the game so technically it's not abandoned since gumdrop is still active.
But I would still urge caution against supporting him since he's had a bad track record of overpromising and not delivering or underpeforming. Case in point, he's done some "extra pics" and stuff. And the "Christmas special" looked and felt like a gallery of images recycled from the main game so I honestly doubt all or even most of that content was new. My suspicion is that he reused some scripts and assets and cranked a small story out to "pacify" his patreons and appear like he is delivering. But he's not. And that's my point.
I know of two games so far that have returned from a hiatus of a year or more.. and both games were abandoned again. In my opinion, the odds of gumdrop actually delivering or even releasing anything drops by the day. You should all know that.

 

[-Dreamer-]

Did I say there was no patreons of his here? or anyone who hadn't spent any? I said vote with your money, its your strongest argument. Name calling and throw sticks'n stones bring you nowhere. Amazing how you need to protect people over what they spend on. How about loot boxes, cash shops in online games. Booze, unhealthy food. What else? If someone want to support him, let them. If some of his supporters decide fuck it and pull their subs, let them.. why should we give a flying fuck over it?
Name the last 10 things you spent money on and I tell you what you shouldn't have on, and I need to warn other people to not spend on shit like you do? Does that make sense at all? No, it doesn't.

There is a saying, bad publicity is still publicity. People might still get interested just wondering wtf all the drama about.

I wrote about warnings, not about prohibiting becoming patrons. People need to know what the developer is, and draw their own conclusions. Yes, people could criticize without insults, but as I said, it is their reaction to his mistakes. Moreover, this is not a meeting of gentlemen, this is a site associated with porn games and the porn industry in general. Look at the comments under any porn videos or hentai manga on other sites, there you will see the humiliation, insult to the creators of porn content and the content itself. And they are much worse than "King milking." what is there to talk about at all, go to YouTube and watch the video trailers of games from Electronics Arts, there are only insults, and this is all a consequence of their mistakes.
When you constantly postpone the release date, people have questions and suspicions, they cannot be dispelled by monotonous excuses.
What is the reason for your protection of this developer? Are you a justice warrior? He himself created this situation and had to foresee it. He probably knew what everything will turn out. He himself does not deny that he is unreliable. In my opinion, he deserves this attitude.

 

[lionking25]

I doubt the dev hasn't make any shit at all, he just try to fool those follower in patreon, once his lie last longer, he makes more money lol

 

[Nameless King]

Yo imagine supporting someone with monthly payments for a porn game with no update for A YEAR. Couldn't be me.

 

[Deleted member 207916]

Yo imagine supporting someone with monthly payments for a porn game with no update for A YEAR. Couldn't be me.

You don't need to imagine, you have Gumdrop...

 

[Joshua Tree]

I wrote about warnings, not about prohibiting becoming patrons. People need to know what the developer is, and draw their own conclusions. Yes, people could criticize without insults, but as I said, it is their reaction to his mistakes. Moreover, this is not a meeting of gentlemen, this is a site associated with porn games and the porn industry in general. Look at the comments under any porn videos or hentai manga on other sites, there you will see the humiliation, insult to the creators of porn content and the content itself. And they are much worse than "King milking." what is there to talk about at all, go to YouTube and watch the video trailers of games from Electronics Arts, there are only insults, and this is all a consequence of their mistakes.
When you constantly postpone the release date, people have questions and suspicions, they cannot be dispelled by monotonous excuses.
What is the reason for your protection of this developer? Are you a justice warrior? He himself created this situation and had to foresee it. He probably knew what everything will turn out. He himself does not deny that he is unreliable. In my opinion, he deserves this attitude.

You can still be a harsh critic without the need to berate and verbally assault creators. There is times creators come onto this forum and interact with the users. Lets say not all that interaction end that good. Who are poorer for creators doesn't feel like get on here and interact with the users? Us or them? Some people have a bad habit of lose their humanity once they start post on the internet. I doubt any new creator coming onto this forum would start posting without browse the forum first. If all they see is a unruly mob, what would motivate them to even post here in the first place?

And when pointing towards youtube. Youtube become quite a toxic place. Lot of channels that focus on reviews, gaming news and such that rather than try be objective try blow up the next bit of news with drama and flare to attract those sweet clicks for ad revenue. That being said, you mentioned EA who really deserve everything they get in regard of critics and then some more. But so does every other publisher like them that focus on monetize their games with layer upon layer of loot boxes, cash shops and what not for games they charge 60 bucks for up front. But who do you think they most concerned over? Comments screaming abuse, or more influential ones such as AngryJoe?

I doesn't necessary protect this particular creator. I said earlier in a post here; last time I supported his patreon was over half a year ago. I told people their best argument is to vote with their money. Which I also said in other threads in regard over other creators that getting some of the same verbal abuse.

Would it be nice if he released that next episode anytime soon? Yeah, it would, but it's not something that keep me awake at nights or give me urges to scream abuse at the screen. Doesn't really help much does it? I don't really have a particular need to impose some sort of "oh think of the children", save them from spending their money attitude either. His patreon show when the last episode was released, anyone with two brain cells to tie together could draw their own conclusion how sensible it is to support him or not. People spend their money on whatever the fuck they want, regardless of what they being told or not, it's called free will. Haven't kept me from thinking idiots when I see all kinda shit people spend on, but I have no particular urge to shout it at their face. Know why? Because I spent money on what people could be considered shit as well.

Justice warrior, white knight? Hardly. Just someone that who think its nice to see someone string more than two coherent sentences together for the sake of debate, argument and so forth. Without the need for verbal assaults, and pointless one liners. Because that would both creators and users profit from. Of course that is just my opinion, you are entitled your own and so is everyone else.

 

[Deleted member 1044747]

"Something unforeseen has happened.
The update was already done, but then I got hacked and all my data has been encrypted.
The hacker is actually a die-hard fan, who believes I don't receive the gratification I deserve.
He announced that he will only decrypt my files again once my monthly Patreon earnings reach 12.000 $.
So, it's in your hands now, guys - pledge and you (might) get the update soon."

On a serious note:
Did the dev ever indicate how he intended to include actual incest content without getting banned from Patreon?
Don't get me wrong - I doubt I will see this happening in my short lifespan, I'm just curious.

 

[MK2808]

Good game ! Please continue, I'm looking forward to the sequel.

 

[Nerttu]

You can still be a harsh critic without the need to berate and verbally assault creators. There is times creators come onto this forum and interact with the users. Lets say not all that interaction end that good. Who are poorer for creators doesn't feel like get on here and interact with the users? Us or them? Some people have a bad habit of lose their humanity once they start post on the internet. I doubt any new creator coming onto this forum would start posting without browse the forum first. If all they see is a unruly mob, what would motivate them to even post here in the first place?

And when pointing towards youtube. Youtube become quite a toxic place. Lot of channels that focus on reviews, gaming news and such that rather than try be objective try blow up the next bit of news with drama and flare to attract those sweet clicks for ad revenue. That being said, you mentioned EA who really deserve everything they get in regard of critics and then some more. But so does every other publisher like them that focus on monetize their games with layer upon layer of loot boxes, cash shops and what not for games they charge 60 bucks for up front. But who do you think they most concerned over? Comments screaming abuse, or more influential ones such as AngryJoe?

I doesn't necessary protect this particular creator. I said earlier in a post here; last time I supported his patreon was over half a year ago. I told people their best argument is to vote with their money. Which I also said in other threads in regard over other creators that getting some of the same verbal abuse.

Would it be nice if he released that next episode anytime soon? Yeah, it would, but it's not something that keep me awake at nights or give me urges to scream abuse at the screen. Doesn't really help much does it? I don't really have a particular need to impose some sort of "oh think of the children", save them from spending their money attitude either. His patreon show when the last episode was released, anyone with two brain cells to tie together could draw their own conclusion how sensible it is to support him or not. People spend their money on whatever the fuck they want, regardless of what they being told or not, it's called free will. Haven't kept me from thinking idiots when I see all kinda shit people spend on, but I have no particular urge to shout it at their face. Know why? Because I spent money on what people could be considered shit as well.

Justice warrior, white knight? Hardly. Just someone that who think its nice to see someone string more than two coherent sentences together for the sake of debate, argument and so forth. Without the need for verbal assaults, and pointless one liners. Because that would both creators and users profit from. Of course that is just my opinion, you are entitled your own and so is everyone else.

So.....you keep going and going !!! Don`t compare Kyle to OTHER Devs, because there aren`t nobody, and I mean NOBODY like he (maybe just 1, lol) !!! New Devs should look and read this forum (thread) to understand, that making excuses, telling lies and not keeping promises can create posts (comments) like this thread is having !!!!! BTW, at my over 50 games collection (i mean games in here), all Devs posts quite regularry comments and take correct criticim well !!!! So, take your time and search other threads and see yourself, what is happening !!! I don`t recall seeing you in other threads commenting anything, so how many games YOU play here ?????