VN Ren'Py Abandoned Ecchi Sensei [Day 22-23 Final] [BlueCat]

[Smarmint]

I am starting to think that the person we think of as Bluecat, didn't actually make the game that we see here.

Hear me out. What if Bluecat just had some kernel of an idea, a general theme, and then found some people online to do all the work, writing the story and dialog in English, posing the scenes in Illusion Studio, any Photoshop work, converting and saving the graphics files, putting it all into Renpy, minor coding, and then compiling it into a release. Bluecat just took the product and uploaded it every month or so to his Patreon account and wrote a few comments on his Patreon based on what others did. Basically, he outsourced the entire development to other people.

Then, the team member or members doing all the work decided they wanted to do something else, or just flaked out, and left Bluecat with nothing. So, Bluecat is just pretending that he is working on it, but he is really trying to find someone else to do all the work, probably for cheap so he can keep most of the monthly donations, and hasn't had any luck.

The reason we haven't seen any images or any dialog is that there aren't any. Not because Bluecat just had a major personality change, 16 months ago from a prolific developer to a slacker, but because he doesn't know how to create any images, convert files, write decent dialog, or anything else. All he has is a general idea of the theme and story, such that it is, and that is it.

Bluecat is probably the one that translated the dialog from English to German, which is why the German dialog is so bad. It is the opposite of what Skummy has been telling us. He isn't looking for German to English translators, which can be done for free in seconds using Google translate, and some minor polishing by basically any English speaker, but he is looking for someone to write the entire story and dialog in English, create the images, and package it into a game, based on his general ideas (for cheap), which is why he can't find anyone that wants to touch it.

So, really Ecchi Sensei has become a scam of the highest order. Bluecat isn't delaying the release to make more money, or is just looking for another team member to do the translation. There is no Bluecat, in the sense that Bluecat is the developer or team that made the game. The game developers are all long gone, and who people think they are donating to, the developers of Ecchi Sense, is really just the Patreon account holder collecting the money.

I would say at this point this game has about as much chance of coming back as Lexi, where the developer died a couple of years ago (RIP Chatterbox) and a friend of the developer thought they might try to continue, but it just didn't work out.

So, we will all just see more and more outlandish excuses to try to explain, badly, the fact that there hasn't been a single image or paragraph of dialog since October 2020, Bluecat has probably given up even finding a team months ago, and this game will eventually be marked abandoned here. The Patreon account will stay open until the last dollar is collected. Patreon doesn't care if the game is being worked on. Free money, after all.

 

[OctoSky]

Then, the team member or members doing all the work decided they wanted to do something else, or just flaked out, and left Bluecat with nothing. So, Bluecat is just pretending that he is working on it, but he is really trying to find someone else to do all the work, probably for cheap so he can keep most of the monthly donations, and hasn't had any luck.

This I do believe. I believe that all the translators that have cut and run, burnt out, or whatever excuse was used, saw the amount of work and saw the peanuts that Blue wanted to pay them with and they just quit. Think Blue is just trying to use the cheapest options.

friend of the developer thought they might try to continue

Ha! You mean the "developer" that wanted something like 50K a month to start a studio with real team members just to even start working on it? Pffffft ha ha ha ha.

So, we will all just see more and more outlandish excuses to try to explain

February post: Hey guys. Still haven't found a translator willing to translate 1.6 million words for 3 dollars and half a turkey sandwich. Anyway, I was gonna show everyone all the renders I did over the last 20 months but when I woke up this morning my cat had taken a screwdriver, opened my PC, removed the HDD and ate it with fava beans and a nice chianti. I promise to recover all my data within the next 12-18 months. Now on to the good news. The Swahili translations are almost finished.

 

[harem - king]

Whats the game on sig. I typed harem king found nothing

Fairly old Japanese visual novel called "Tsuma Shibori" from Alicesoft. Really love the design. Harem King is actually supposed to be my forum name, but when I first found F95 I wasn't particularly sober and I don't have the best typing ability when I'm not sober so when I was registering I ended up with a typo for a name, oh well.

 

[Uthuriel]

Fairly old Japanese visual novel called "Tsuma Shibori" from Alicesoft. Really love the design. Harem King is actually supposed to be my forum name, but when I first found F95 I wasn't particularly sober and I don't have the best typing ability when I'm not sober so when I was registering I ended up with a typo for a name, oh well.

You can change it though...

 

[King Jr]

Skummy Ecchi is the most passiv-aggressive person I had unpleasant pleasure to know...

all he got is "trust me bro"

 

[opiex942]

Maybe the real updates are the friends we made along the way?

 

[Blackdragon0083]

Did the first month ever get completed? This one just sorta fell off the radar.

Here is the long and short: The merge was announced. initially, BC gave updates regularly on patrion, there were somewhat unknown complications but work progressed and positivity was high. Months dragged on, excuses mounted, promises were made promises were broken, then months turned to years. Every month it's a new excuse for why the merge is not done and no one has seen any actual proof of progress at any point. a month or two ago, a member of this community did their own merge in about 8 hours, it was a hack job but a proof of concept that to achieve a baseline of what we want is not that hard. Nonetheless, so a fan-made merge does exist and you can find it linked here if you look for it. this showed us there is a lot more going on here than simply merging things together or no work at all has been done.

At last report, the merge has been abandoned after a 2-year delay with no work to show for it and supposedly they will be releasing the next few days of game content independent of the merge but that magically came into issues too, I think it's translators now? It's hard to keep up with the latest excuse of the week.

A week or so ago Octosky assembled a combination of statements from BC that were contradictory and pressed Skummy ecchi (the supposed PR representative of BC's company) for some tangible proof that development happened. this set off a bit of a firestorm and a tonal shift of this place from amusement and cynicism to genuine anger. Rather than present said proof he apparently stepped away from his role and decided to no longer act as a shield and add fuel to the fire.

This week most everyone seems to truly have had enough and are now calling this a scam. at this point, most people watch this tread for the slow-burn drama. The forum has become ironically more entertaining than any update the game itself could provide.

As a personal note, it's a shame, this game for all its flaws is what got me into independent porn VNs, it was my first one. And without it, I never would have found some of the truly great titles I enjoy to this day I have been hoping for a merger and a continuation for 2 years now and at this point I am just accepting that it's not gonna happen.

 

[Dukez]

a month or two ago, a member of this community did their own merge in about 8 hours, it was a hack job but a proof of concept that to achieve a baseline of what we want is not that hard. Nonetheless, so a fan-made merge does exist and you can find it linked here if you look for it. this showed us there is a lot more going on here than simply merging things together or no work at all has been done.

The hilarious thing about this since I know some people PM'd me about it & mentioned it in BlueCat's discord but from what I'm aware BlueCat never commented on it (probably a smart thing) despite likely knowing it exists. It's a shame nothing came about from it, was hopeful it would give them a kick in the ass to get something done and put out since I still fail to see how it's taken so long if it is somehow legitimate issues.

I'll be equally annoyed though if it does come out, and they never expand on "why" the save system took so long and what they did. Even more annoying if it's just rethinking "how" to handle saves and instead of a specific line (e.g door 1, saki 1, saki 2, etc) for everything it becomes like what most games use, a point system for the majority.

 

[NotSlonique]

Skummy Ecchi is the most passiv-aggressive person I had unpleasant pleasure to know...

all he got is "trust me bro"

how did you actually know him? just curious

 

[Blackdragon0083]

The hilarious thing about this since I know some people PM'd me about it & mentioned it in BlueCat's discord but from what I'm aware BlueCat never commented on it (probably a smart thing) despite likely knowing it exists. It's a shame nothing came about from it, was hopeful it would give them a kick in the ass to get something done and put out since I still fail to see how it's taken so long if it is somehow legitimate issues.

I'll be equally annoyed though if it does come out, and they never expand on "why" the save system took so long and what they did. Even more annoying if it's just rethinking "how" to handle saves and instead of a specific line (e.g door 1, saki 1, saki 2, etc) for everything it becomes like what most games use, a point system for the majority.

At this point, if I was to speculate, AND give them the benefit of the doubt that there were actually working on it I would believe that they didn't just want to merge it but also fix long-standing issues redo old portions, and set the game up for the open-world sandbox systems they had intended, but their ambition outstretched there capability, time went on a year went by delays and life lead to team attrition and compounding workload stress lead to more attrition finding new staff can be a problem and they eventually realized what they WANT to do is not possible at this time with their skill, they could just do a more cleaned-up version of your merge and focus on new content but I think they feel that there would be outrage that it took them a year now 2 to deliver such little content, as time goes by they would feel the need to make what they show grander thus causing more problems.

IF this situation was true I would man up explain what I was trying to do admit that I failed and how I failed. give a basic merge explain that this merge only took a week or so or hell even just use yours with acknowledgment. take my lumps from the community own up to my failures transparently and then get back to work. will we be pissed and disappointed? oh yes but ill still respects and support a man who fucked up trying to be too ambitious over someone stringing me along with false hope.

 

[Dukez]

At this point, if I was to speculate, AND give them the benefit of the doubt that there were actually working on it I would believe that they didn't just want to merge it but also fix long-standing issues redo old portions, and set the game up for the open-world sandbox systems they had intended, but their ambition outstretched there capability, time went on a year went by delays and life lead to team attrition and compounding workload stress lead to more attrition finding new staff can be a problem and they eventually realized what they WANT to do is not possible at this time with their skill

The only problem with giving them the benefit of the doubt is that even with all that said, it shouldn't have taken them nearly this long and that's where the real problem lies. Even in the scenario they end up in over their heads it would've happened like over a year ago, and at that point you would change your plans to something simpler if you legitimately couldn't do it. Even if they got someone else to do what they couldn't.... time is still an issue and far too much has passed for to make logical sense. There is plenty of games on here you could unren for research and learning purposes to apply to your own game, work smarter not harder.

Doesn't help when BlueCat isn't really acknowledging his failures, explaining why and how we got here etc.

In hindsight BlueCat really shouldn't of stopped the one-off specials (to be merged later?) since he could've done the entire thing by himself since they're standalone games with nothing to carry over.

 

[PrimeGuy]

Regardless of what the actual situation is (re: work getting done on the game or not), it doesn't really matter at this point. If someone is still supporting Bluecat at this point, nothing anyone says here is going to change their mind and make them stop. Every argument has been put forward. If someone thinks Bluecat is scamming, nothing's going to change their mind at this point (probably not even the merge coming out with everything originally promised in it). So all anyone can do is wait and see.

Honestly, I'm tired of the argument, no one's really saying anything new on either side.

I miss the game, I liked a lot of the girls in it, so I'm hanging out here to see if anything ever gets released again. I'm not holding my breath, because frankly, it seems silly to be *absolutely sure* something will come out at this point. At the same time, I'm not ready to assume it's forever abandoned either.

So I'll wait, and I'll skim the posts that will still come out on both sides of the argument, trying to find some tidbit of actual information that will tell me one way or another what'll happen sometime in the future, and get more and more tired of people standing on various soap boxes and shouting their point of view that's been rehashed over, and over, and over again.

 

[OctoSky]

A week or so ago Octosky assembled a combination of statements from BC that were contradictory and pressed Skummy ecchi (the supposed PR representative of BC's company) for some tangible proof that development happened.

Oh, someone else acknowledged my compilation. Brings a tear to my eye. Wonder if we can get one of the mods to link the compilation on the front page to show people. That would be hilarious.

 

[King Jr]

how did you actually know him? just curious

Thank God not. just how he response to justified frust of people who wait for 2 years shows me everthing.

 

[A Common Crab]

Oh, someone else acknowledged my compilation. Brings a tear to my eye. Wonder if we can get one of the mods to link the compilation on the front page to show people. That would be hilarious.

Can ya link it again, massive chadman?

 

[LooLoo Baloo]

Regardless of what the actual situation is (re: work getting done on the game or not), it doesn't really matter at this point. If someone is still supporting Bluecat at this point, nothing anyone says here is going to change their mind and make them stop. Every argument has been put forward. If someone thinks Bluecat is scamming, nothing's going to change their mind at this point (probably not even the merge coming out with everything originally promised in it). So all anyone can do is wait and see.

Honestly, I'm tired of the argument, no one's really saying anything new on either side.

I miss the game, I liked a lot of the girls in it, so I'm hanging out here to see if anything ever gets released again. I'm not holding my breath, because frankly, it seems silly to be *absolutely sure* something will come out at this point. At the same time, I'm not ready to assume it's forever abandoned either.

So I'll wait, and I'll skim the posts that will still come out on both sides of the argument, trying to find some tidbit of actual information that will tell me one way or another what'll happen sometime in the future, and get more and more tired of people standing on various soap boxes and shouting their point of view that's been rehashed over, and over, and over again.

Understandable

But people started saying that over a year ago. Pretty much word for word. If Bluecat was going to work on this game and update it, it would have happened already. Nothings changed

For sure, his remaining patrons might not see that. But they're the ones who labelled him as simply incompetent instead of a lying scammer. And why would an incompetent developer be trusted to do anything right?

And even if he suddenly produces monthly updates in a row, it doesn't delete the part of history where he made tens of thousands while doing nothing for a year

But time is the biggest proof of all. And each day makes it more obvious that people are being misled and losing their money for nothing

 

[OctoSky]

Can ya link it again, massive chadman?

Think I got it.

https://f95zone.to/threads/ecchi-sensei-halloween-special-bluecat.14927/page-885#post-7546759

 

[Edgar Allan Pog]

I have read all the latest pages and I have to say... I am severely disappointed in all of you who just shit on Skummy Ecchi.

Now I get your frustration over the fact that BC hasn't released anything relating to Month 1, and I share your frustration. But that is no excuse whatsoever to accuse SE of being a simp. You don't get to shit on him just because there is no update.

I want there to be an update as soon as possible, and I understand there isn't any, so I waste my time on doing something else. You guys just yell and harass someone who's trying to help both sides at once, and that makes you very ungrateful shits.

If you want there to be a translation for the game so it can be released sooner, how come you don't try and do it yourselves?

On this site, we are pirates. We steal the games and we download them for free. I've never hidden this fact on this site and some of us aren't patrons. I know I'm not. So I keep my mouth shut. So what's your excuse? If you're a patron, I get that you are frustrated. If you're a pirate, then you should go play another game in the meantime and wait.

Just don't be fucking assholes for no good reason.

 

[fashtar]

 

[Edgar Allan Pog]

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Regular transparent updates and honesty?