Vidaura

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There is nothing to render, it's just posing some characters in the studio of an Illusion game.
First: They're called renders because the game assets are pre-rendered image rather than the models and instructions on how to position them (like for example a Unity-based VN would use). The complexity (or simplicity) of the process involved is irrelevant.

Second: That's like saying writing a book is just typing words. Getting the poses, facial expressions, lighting, and everything else right is non-trivial work. It's not technically complex work, but there are enough bad VNs on this site to show what happens when you lack those creative skills.

Also Ren'Py is existing for 17 years now, everything you mentioned, has been done a million times and documented. There is no reason to do it from scratch and it is insanely easy. Even if he had problems with it, after 4 - 5 years working on ES he should have learned it by now.
You'd be surprised how long people can muddle along without reading the documentation (or even finding it). Making something that works does not mean learning how to do it well. Far more common is to get stuck in bad habits that land you in trouble down the line as your technical debt comes due. This leads to big delays as you go back and hopefully do things the right way.

The root of ES's problems is that BC is a creative type with big dreams (any software developer can tell you all about those people with "an amazing app idea!!!"), who is learning the hard way that ideas are only half the battle. It's pretty clear BC doesn't have the technical skills to make the game they want, and may not even be able to comprehend the progress (or lack thereof in this case) of those actually working on it.
 

KnuckleDragger79

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First: They're called renders because the game assets are pre-rendered image rather than the models and instructions on how to position them (like for example a Unity-based VN would use). The complexity (or simplicity) of the process involved is irrelevant.

Second: That's like saying writing a book is just typing words. Getting the poses, facial expressions, lighting, and everything else right is non-trivial work. It's not technically complex work, but there are enough bad VNs on this site to show what happens when you lack those creative skills.



You'd be surprised how long people can muddle along without reading the documentation (or even finding it). Making something that works does not mean learning how to do it well. Far more common is to get stuck in bad habits that land you in trouble down the line as your technical debt comes due. This leads to big delays as you go back and hopefully do things the right way.

The root of ES's problems is that BC is a creative type with big dreams (any software developer can tell you all about those people with "an amazing app idea!!!"), who is learning the hard way that ideas are only half the battle. It's pretty clear BC doesn't have the technical skills to make the game they want, and may not even be able to comprehend the progress (or lack thereof in this case) of those actually working on it.
So what you're saying is that after 4 years of working with the software, BlueCat is still just too stupid to have figured it out by now? Lol Not a big vote of confidence from you, my dude.
 
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The root of ES's problems is that BC is a creative type with big dreams (any software developer can tell you all about those people with "an amazing app idea!!!"), who is learning the hard way that ideas are only half the battle. It's pretty clear BC doesn't have the technical skills to make the game they want, and may not even be able to comprehend the progress (or lack thereof in this case) of those actually working on it.
Creativity doesn't stop you from working for two years. The root of the issues are laziness, incompetence, and greed. In no particular order. The game engine itself is designed to be as simple as possible, if it's too much for him to handle then he should say that instead of lying to his followers
 

Parnso

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First: They're called renders because the game assets are pre-rendered image rather than the models and instructions on how to position them (like for example a Unity-based VN would use). The complexity (or simplicity) of the process involved is irrelevant.

Second: That's like saying writing a book is just typing words. Getting the poses, facial expressions, lighting, and everything else right is non-trivial work. It's not technically complex work, but there are enough bad VNs on this site to show what happens when you lack those creative skills.



You'd be surprised how long people can muddle along without reading the documentation (or even finding it). Making something that works does not mean learning how to do it well. Far more common is to get stuck in bad habits that land you in trouble down the line as your technical debt comes due. This leads to big delays as you go back and hopefully do things the right way.

The root of ES's problems is that BC is a creative type with big dreams (any software developer can tell you all about those people with "an amazing app idea!!!"), who is learning the hard way that ideas are only half the battle. It's pretty clear BC doesn't have the technical skills to make the game they want, and may not even be able to comprehend the progress (or lack thereof in this case) of those actually working on it.
Are you high?
 
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Man this whole thing has just bummed me out. I've watched the game/thread long enough to know where this is headed but Jesus. I really loved this game and these characters and it just makes me really sad that i dont get to learn more about them. I mean, what happens between MC and Mao or Saki???? Fuck you BlueCat for not caring about these characters as much as the rest of us. The fanbase and characters deserved more from you.
 

Construct

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First: They're called renders because the game assets are pre-rendered image rather than the models and instructions on how to position them (like for example a Unity-based VN would use). The complexity (or simplicity) of the process involved is irrelevant.

Second: That's like saying writing a book is just typing words. Getting the poses, facial expressions, lighting, and everything else right is non-trivial work. It's not technically complex work, but there are enough bad VNs on this site to show what happens when you lack those creative skills
To these to points I‘d argue that using an Illusion game allows you to produce renders faster, because you don‘t actually have to render anything. As you said, it‘s non-trivial to get everything right, but after that you are done. Screenshot it and you got your render.

Using DAZ you have at minimum the same amount of work for posing, lighting etc. Additionally you then have to actually render the scene, the time of how long this takes depends on your computers power.

Given the same amount of time and skill level, a dev using DAZ will likely create less renders than a dev using an Illusion game.

As such it is expected of Bluecat to have a created a massive amount of renders during the downtime of this merge.
 

jodike

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To these to points I‘d argue that using an Illusion game allows you to produce renders faster, because you don‘t actually have to render anything. As you said, it‘s non-trivial to get everything right, but after that you are done. Screenshot it and you got your render.

Using DAZ you have at minimum the same amount of work for posing, lighting etc. Additionally you then have to actually render the scene, the time of how long this takes depends on your computers power.

Given the same amount of time and skill level, a dev using DAZ will likely create less renders than a dev using an Illusion game.

As such it is expected of Bluecat to have a created a massive amount of renders during the downtime of this merge.
Best bluecat can do is 2.5 renders for the 2 years of bullshit excuses
 

DeeCanon

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so have they released any information about the update? any previews? anything?
considering all the writing and images were done for it what 2 years ago you'd think he would want to show something to give patreons a reason to stay subbed at the very least
 
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Crowangel

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so have they released any information about the update? any previews? anything?
considering all the writing and images were done for it what 2 years ago you'd think he would want to show something to give patreons a reason to stay subbed at the very least
zip zero zilch nada bupkiss diddlysquat naff-all none not a cucking flue lol
 

Ickerax

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Actually there has been some day 22/23 image previews in some of the supporter threads. But nothing confirming the release date other than due April .
 
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Ickerax

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People should get on the Discord voice channel and sing Auld Lang Syne at midnight on the 30th.
He is Austrian not Scottish. Wouldn't Mozart's Funeral March be a better selection. Having said that he is a big fan of all things Japanese and in Japan shops and museums play Auld Lang Syne just before closing to let me know its time to leave.
 
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