VN Ren'Py Abandoned Ecchi Sensei [Day 22-23 Final] [BlueCat]

[huge43]

1st So coming in here and spreading hate is fun for some folks? Then they need to get a life or something lol. 2nd I did say after they had a record of moving forward again. Not before. About supporting them again. 3rd I am a mod or something like that in that Discord and there to my Knowledge never been any of them channels. That is just folks trying to spread hate and miss information. And i have been a mod there since before the first Merge that happened.

Its not hate, its a reality check from people serially disappointed by lies, broken promises and failures, whilst the game continues to hoover up indecent amounts of money from fools such as yourself. Your woke narrative of haughtilly cancelling everyone by calling them spreaders of hate or "Miss Information" (who is that, your sister?) doesn't work. For someone who claims to be a mod "or something", you say absolutely nothing positive about game progress, development, timescales, or anything positive about the game. You are all about deflection, and thats probably the most relevant thing to take from your comments

 

[Deleted member 3482284]

I havnt posted on this thread in a long while. Mainly due to the fact the last time i posted it got deleted cause i was defending Blue and the progress on the VN. Now i was a patreon at the $100 dollar lvl and have a char in the VN. But due to moving and other financial things i had to stop my payments. But i still hope and check everyday to see if this VN has restarted. And i will continue to hope it does even though it is looking more and more like it wont. To all of the Negative folks in this thread all i have to say is this. It seems you all have given up on this VN. So why stay here and continue to spread the hate? Move on to other things and be happy.Or are your lives that boring that you have to come on to an internet forum and spread hate? But enough of that like i already said i will continue to hope this VN move on and if it does i hope i will be able to find some Money to support it cause imo it deserves to be supported. Well once it has a record of moving forward again that is.

You make it sound like we're shaking with rage and cursing bluecat. It's not the case. And if you'd listened, you wouldn't have been misled by him for so long. There's only one person to blame for the game being dead. And it's none of us

Besides, the fact that you think he deserves even more money is concerning. He's done legitimately nothing for 18 months. There are hundreds of developers on this website that deserve support, bluecat is not one of them. Complaining to us, when you should be asking bluecat why he's ran off with your money, is just a waste of your time

 

[Halfelf]

You make it sound like we're shaking with rage and cursing bluecat. It's not the case. And if you'd listened, you wouldn't have been misled by him for so long. There's only one person to blame for the game being dead. And it's none of us

Besides, the fact that you think he deserves even more money is concerning. He's done legitimately nothing for 18 months. There are hundreds of developers on this website that deserve support, bluecat is not one of them. Complaining to us, when you should be asking bluecat why he's ran off with your money, is just a waste of your time

And why would i listen to a bunch of folks who probably never paid a cent to this VN. And i wasnt misled by him if you actually read all that i posted i said i had to stop paying him. And would have anyways if i hadnt moved. I will not pay for something i am not getting. He does deserve more money if and only if he can prove that the VN will continue and finish. And only then would he deserve more money.

Its not hate, its a reality check from people serially disappointed by lies, broken promises and failures, whilst the game continues to hoover up indecent amounts of money from fools such as yourself. Your woke narrative of haughtilly cancelling everyone by calling them spreaders of hate or "Miss Information" (who is that, your sister?) doesn't work. For someone who claims to be a mod "or something", you say absolutely nothing positive about game progress, development, timescales, or anything positive about the game. You are all about deflection, and thats probably the most relevant thing to take from your comments

It is hate to some degree. And if you like the other person above had read what i had posted i said i no longer support him because i had to stop. And if didnt have to stop i would have because i refuse to pay for something i am not getting. I am or was a Mod or something on his discord. What is there positive to say about the game progress, development or timescale. There has been none to my knowledge. I was responding to the person that mentions someone else saying certain channels that have never been there to my knowledge had been deleted nothing more.

 

[huge43]

And why would i listen to a bunch of folks who probably never paid a cent to this VN. And i wasnt misled by him if you actually read all that i posted i said i had to stop paying him. And would have anyways if i hadnt moved. I will not pay for something i am not getting. He does deserve more money if and only if he can prove that the VN will continue and finish. And only then would he deserve more money.



It is hate to some degree. And if you like the other person above had read what i had posted i said i no longer support him because i had to stop. And if didnt have to stop i would have because i refuse to pay for something i am not getting. I am or was a Mod or something on his discord. What is there positive to say about the game progress, development or timescale. There has been none to my knowledge. I was responding to the person that mentions someone else saying certain channels that have never been there to my knowledge had been deleted nothing more.

I read. As does everyone else. And I read you backpedalling now at about 100mph. It's about time you woke up

 

[Halfelf]

I read. As does everyone else. And I read you backpedalling now at about 100mph. It's about time you woke up

No back pedaling was done. I stand by what i posted. And i have always been Woke as you put it.

 

[Parnso]

And why would i listen to a bunch of folks who probably never paid a cent to this VN. And i wasnt misled by him if you actually read all that i posted i said i had to stop paying him. And would have anyways if i hadnt moved. I will not pay for something i am not getting. He does deserve more money if and only if he can prove that the VN will continue and finish. And only then would he deserve more money.



It is hate to some degree. And if you like the other person above had read what i had posted i said i no longer support him because i had to stop. And if didnt have to stop i would have because i refuse to pay for something i am not getting. I am or was a Mod or something on his discord. What is there positive to say about the game progress, development or timescale. There has been none to my knowledge. I was responding to the person that mentions someone else saying certain channels that have never been there to my knowledge had been deleted nothing more.

Could you quote a few examples from this thread, of what you think here is hate?

 

[jodike]

Could you quote a few examples from this thread, of what you think here is hate?

us probably pointing out that bluecat is using bullshit excuses for the last 2 years and hiding behind skummy is hate to that person

 

[baloneysammich]

... i no longer support him because i had to stop. And if didnt have to stop i would have because i refuse to pay for something i am not getting.

Unless this isn't you, it seems you're portraying your intentions differently here vs. there:

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Maybe though you're speaking truth here, whereas over there you felt it necessary to dissemble a bit because

Don't think I've ever seen a ban, but asking questions tends to get belligerence in response, if you get a response at all.

 

[RandoCard3]

Unless this isn't you, it seems you're portraying your intentions differently here vs. there:

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Maybe though you're speaking truth here, whereas over there you felt it necessary to dissemble a bit because

Why am I being quoted in this?

 

[baloneysammich]

Why am I being quoted in this?

Fair question. Because you're someone who can't be accused of being a hater, and what you said spoke to the nature of the ES discord community.

 

[jamdan]

I don't think anyone is mad or hating on BC, at least not anymore. This game has been MIA for the past 2 years, we're well past the stages of grief and anger.

At this point this thread is just for cheap entertainment and jokes. To see what BC's next excuse is. Translation? Code? Monitor breaking? And to pick on Skummy when he tries to spin it.

The game itself is rarely discussed anymore. Because there isn't anything to discuss.

I think, at this point, people who still defend BC are either in denial or true believers. This situation, at it's most benign, is massive incompetence to the point that it pushes the boundary of believability.

 

[Smarmint]

To all of the Negative folks in this thread all i have to say is this. It seems you all have given up on this VN. So why stay here and continue to spread the hate? Move on to other things and be happy.Or are your lives that boring that you have to come on to an internet forum and spread hate?

Well, I can only speak for myself, but while I have been pretty critical of Bluecat's approach to game development, starting with his months of radio silence about 18 months ago when he claimed the merge was almost complete, I wouldn't characterize anything I have said as "hate". Nor have I seen it from other people. Frustration, yes, but it is certainly warranted. Hate itself is a pretty strong word, usually reserved for people that have wronged you personally, if even then. I know lots of people like to dismiss any criticism as "haters", but really, as you have seen yourself, all those you are accusing of "spreading hate", starting over a year ago when we were skeptical of Bluecat's nonsensical excuses, have been proven to be right all along.

I don't know why all the fans think that the F95 forums have to be love-fests for the devs. I think we should all try to be respectful, especially towards devs that are actually involved in the community, but I don't think Bluecat, who can never answer a straight question about anything involving the game to save his life, deserves a whole lot of deference here.

And like Dukez and Jamdan said, its somewhat entertaining for some of us, me included, to come by here regularly just to see what people are posting now, and give my own take from time to time. I find the whole situation entertaining in a twisted way. It's not like I wake up each morning cursing Bluecat's name, now that would be weird.

Those who are bored of others or my own critical comments are free to use the ignore button. Maybe there is something wrong with all of us for giving a shit one way or the other, but so be it. Everyone has to have a hobby. It sure beats golf, haha.

 

[Tyktamsyl]

Zamn this is tough, rest in peace ecchi sensei. I really liked this game even though the renders weren't state of the art or anything. It was probably my favorite of all time. Maybe one day it'll come back and Ill be overwhelmed by a sudden punch of dopamine.

 

[RandoCard3]

Fair question. Because you're someone who can't be accused of being a hater, and what you said spoke to the nature of the ES discord community.

Ah, I see. Fair enough. For what it's worth, there are people in the Discord who will poke at the devs, and joke at their expense regarding the delay, so they're not all drinking the koolaid. My issues tend to come from Blue himself. He gets all defensive if you manage to get an answer out of him.

 

[Dukez]

I am or was a Mod or something on his discord.

I was responding to the person that mentions someone else saying certain channels that have never been there to my knowledge had been deleted nothing more.

Personally I am more amused by the fact that you think you're a mod or "something" but don't really know. Not sure how that's possible, you either are or you aren't - made-up roles are not real roles. Unless you're saying you haven't been on discord / looked at their channel in a while I suppose but that would be in conflict with the discord posts above potentially. Could be you're confusing some paid patreon roles that BlueCat probably has on discord but I highly doubt they are mod roles.

I've thought about jumping in the discord myself some times but it would be wasted effort since nothing would change, and it's not like BlueCat would answer any of my questions anyway. He should just take my merge and release it as an alpha or fix up the minor bugs and do it as a full release, heh. At this point replaying the game whenever (if) it comes out isn't too bad since forgotten half or more of the game anyway but they also really should've made a save game converter from the old one into the new one rather than forcing people to replay it. If there's websites that can read, edit & re-save renpy save game files then there would surely be a way to do this either in the game itself or a separate script you run.

 

[RandoCard3]

I've thought about jumping in the discord myself some times but it would be wasted effort since nothing would change, and it's not like BlueCat would answer any of my questions anyway. He should just take my merge and release it as an alpha or fix up the minor bugs and do it as a full release, heh. At this point replaying the game whenever (if) it comes out isn't too bad since forgotten half or more of the game anyway but they also really should've made a save game converter from the old one into the new one rather than forcing people to replay it. If there's websites that can read, edit & re-save renpy save game files then there would surely be a way to do this either in the game itself or a separate script you run.

Again, your merge only deals with the actual merging and not all that problems that necessitated a merge in the first place. It's nice to have, but it's not a solution to the current problem.. I'm also not sure that's legal.

You don't even need a save converter. Just have an optional in-game questionnaire to determine choices and carry those into the next game. There aren't many yet, so it shouldn't overly complex.

 

[arbie8twinducedz]

Again, your merge only deals with the actual merging and not all that problems that necessitated a merge in the first place. It's nice to have, but it's not a solution to the current problem.. I'm also not sure that's legal.

You don't even need a save converter. Just have an optional in-game questionnaire to determine choices and carry those into the next game. There aren't many yet, so it shouldn't overly complex.

Didn't one of the dragon age games do something like that for determining world states?

 

[RandoCard3]

Didn't one of the dragon age games do something like that for determining world states?

Sort of. The Dragon Age Keep is a website that lets you establish all your choices, then you can export it your game via the cloud. Mass Effect Andromeda has it's own too, but I doubt we'll get to actually use that one.
For this though, BlueCat can just add a little questionnaire at the beginning of a New Game that doesn't import a save, and have less than 10 questions. There aren't exactly many actual choices. I can think of two. Triggering Fuyu's Dark Path, and making Aki submissive. is there any others?

 

[baloneysammich]

There aren't exactly many actual choices. I can think of two. Triggering Fuyu's Dark Path, and making Aki submissive. is there any others?

There are actually loads of variables though. And sorry to be that guy who quotes himself but

I'm not making a case for complexity here, but for example there are the character routes with Fuyu and Himiko, how you handle Christa's secret, whether or not to indulge Nanami's fetish, whether or not you visit Satomi in the club, etc.

In fact, given that they currently track choices with variables like d1d1 (ie. day 1 decision 1), it's easy to find that in D10_11.rpy for example there are over 20 references to previous days' decisions.* Even if the implications are minor or even trivial, they're being used regardless.

* Full disclosure, that seems to be an outlier but it happened to be the first I checked.

 

[AnimeKing314]

There are actually loads of variables though. And sorry to be that guy who quotes himself but

Since most are fairly minor decisions that just tweak dialogue it would be fine (at least for now) to do the questionaire for only the major decisions that decide things like routes and have a default for the other decisions. Because of how renpy works, anyone who cares enough can just modify the default values themselves to get all their decisions in. Hell, there would probably be a mod that lets you do so in-game. An especially motivated mod might actually be able to find a way to transfer the saves, though I wouldn't say that's super likely.