Thank you for the clarification. Not something I noticed.
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Okay, so I just realized things got way off base with why this is delayed:
The proofreader is also the english translator, and the person who knows the most about how the game is coded all in one, and the one who makes all the fun tools work, and the one who basically makes Bluecat's game not suck. Probably an error on my part not communicating clearly enough, but this person is legit basically all of Bluecat's technical help and expertise where Bluecat is focused on design and writing. The game doesn't need translating (or at least not all of it) its more that code needs proofread so its not a buggy mess of broken bullshit. Hard to do that when your body is fucked and your brain is mush. My apologies for that I think someone just took a line form me and ran witht hat and the original explanation got lost.
All that being said the reason why Bluecat doesn't interact here is because ya'll be mean, plus anyone can interact with him on discord, just understand that we're all massive assholes on there because its fun to be dicks to each other. Where here its not in good fun, people are mean or angry and that makes a dev not wanna come and interact. You want to talk to Blue? Go over to Discord and talk to him, you might not like what you get form him but at least you can reach him.
As for me not being a dev team member, well that's true but I'm also closely attached to said team, and know all the developments that any other team member gets unless private DMs. I just have to be careful with what I say is all, but yeah I'm here because I felt bad for you guys not having someone to keep you in the loop.
Thus I became Ecchi PR, officially endorsed by Bluecat, and no he's not gonna shut off his patreon because if you don't wanna support him its your choice, and while turning off the charges is a nice thing to do it can only be done when one is financially secured. This game does not make that much money that you think it does, when you spread it out between a team. Delays or not they need that income, far be it form me to tell you how to spend your money, go snort coke off a hooker's ass for all I care with your dollar bills, but there's nothing wrong with keeping the door open for people who still wanna pay so the project doesn't completely die.
I am tired as shit, so here's a quick one before I go, looking forward to more answers later!
Another Anime Expo now that so many more girls are into you
or
More traditional festival, exclusively enjoying it with Fuyu and Tomoe
The proofreader is also the english translator, and the person who knows the most about how the game is coded all in one, and the one who makes all the fun tools work, and the one who basically makes Bluecat's game not suck. Probably an error on my part not communicating clearly enough, but this person is legit basically all of Bluecat's technical help and expertise where Bluecat is focused on design and writing. The game doesn't need translating (or at least not all of it) its more that code needs proofread so its not a buggy mess of broken bullshit. Hard to do that when your body is fucked and your brain is mush. My apologies for that I think someone just took a line form me and ran witht hat and the original explanation got lost.
All that being said the reason why Bluecat doesn't interact here is because ya'll be mean, plus anyone can interact with him on discord, just understand that we're all massive assholes on there because its fun to be dicks to each other. Where here its not in good fun, people are mean or angry and that makes a dev not wanna come and interact. You want to talk to Blue? Go over to Discord and talk to him, you might not like what you get form him but at least you can reach him.
As for me not being a dev team member, well that's true but I'm also closely attached to said team, and know all the developments that any other team member gets unless private DMs. I just have to be careful with what I say is all, but yeah I'm here because I felt bad for you guys not having someone to keep you in the loop.
Thus I became Ecchi PR, officially endorsed by Bluecat, and no he's not gonna shut off his patreon because if you don't wanna support him its your choice, and while turning off the charges is a nice thing to do it can only be done when one is financially secured. This game does not make that much money that you think it does, when you spread it out between a team. Delays or not they need that income, far be it form me to tell you how to spend your money, go snort coke off a hooker's ass for all I care with your dollar bills, but there's nothing wrong with keeping the door open for people who still wanna pay so the project doesn't completely die.
I am tired as shit, so here's a quick one before I go, looking forward to more answers later!
Another Anime Expo now that so many more girls are into you
or
More traditional festival, exclusively enjoying it with Fuyu and Tomoe
Both would be amazing but both secret Waifus? Sign me right up, especially with Tomoe being her adorable self.
Another hard choice! I think a school festival, despite how cliche it is, would be fun especially with the secret wives club.
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Quality over quantity. More time with Fuyu and Tomoe is never a bad thing. Maybe Fuyu could help convince Tomoe to give anal a shot. It's not like her family would have any way finding out after all. Plus, it'd be nice to see their relationship explored a bit. So far, what we see seems very surface level, and it would be nice to go deeper than that as they both two of the more important women in the MCs life.
I really don't get what skummy is doing. Dev couldn't be bothered to talk to people? if a core member is sick, "which is BS because this isn't a game and game engine that was created and coded by bluecat or said person. this is a generic RenPy tool. I said it before I am an IT eng. I know what's going on here." since this isn't a custom game engine. even If I didn't do the codign, if I know RenPy I can fix the game. Since it's a generic tool, anyone with the required profession can solve the bugs or merge them, all bluecat has to do is instead of waiting for months to said person to heal, just hire another guy teporarly and make him do the job with the patreon money, and publish the update. I will repeat again, all the assets are there already, the text the scenes etc. you can make the game from the scratch in this amounth of time with the assets available with a new coder.
And if we're all waiting on that single "Oh so important" guy, what is BlueCat himself doing? for months? if he's waiting for the guy to heal, and not releasing any updates on progress on patreon or anywhere, not talking around, not doing the PR essentially and not doing new scenes for the next update what TF is he doing? caliming patreon money and jacking off to it? only logical thing to do I suppose.
what the hell? dev doesn't care about community, noone in dev team is talking or publishing anything. wtf are you doing? asking questions and all. who tf are you? dev couldn't be bothered to come here or patreon to say anything and telling you to do his job and you're proudly doing it? while he's sitting on 5k$ per month and doing nothing?
The game ES itself "on paper" has the potential to be the greatest harem games of all time. But the dev is so shit that it's painfull to watch this game develop. ES universe could be a great free roam open world game. where you can have schedules for each girl, consequesnces for your doings, slave and GF routes to choose for each girl. a couple of yandere girls whom kill other characters or go maniac if you get caught with others, maybe you can tame one yandere girl into harem even by doing certain things. An actual endurance meter, so you can't fuck 5 students and then your waifu at the same day, so you have to choose, "maybe your wife would get suspicious if you don't fuck her and go play with other girls too much." I mean this game has endless potential. but the dev is doing "go around and fuck everyone." which isn't bad, I can't judge this, but this goes to show you how much of a lazy person he is.
It's good to remember that, the game has only the template UI in ren'py engine. every asset in game is generic ones, no effort was dumped into modifiyng it. The dev tried adding many assets, phone i.e. and %80 of them WIP for years. I mean? seriously? nothing is being developed in tis game. It's stil the same as it's the day it came out. WHich again, not bad thing or something I can judge, BUT even when you're not adding anything and actually developing the game, you're just keep lengthening the time between the updates which has only scenes and text without any new game mechanics. and merging* them repeatedly for months without new content.... this is just straight up milking.. or just being lazy. no 3rd option here. either this, or I am dumb as a rock.
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Can you not streamline this? I can't even begin to read this wall of text.
I am talking about why it's not possible to delay "or take this long" a simple merge in an already existing engine "Ren'py" with already prepared asssets "Scenes, text, translation, etc" and since this is a generic engine "Ren'py" and not a custom game engine made or edited by BlueCat or his coder whom was sick, it's possible to just hire a Ren'py capable coder and finish the work.
If this game was made using custom made or edited game engine by that "sick" coder or BlueCat then it would make sense to delay the update until they recover since any other coder would not understand what's going on in game codes and would make it worse.
The bottom line is the team has their reasons for the delay. If I'm reading into the posts right it seems like the person is more than just a generic team member and is an important person to the team. It's not that they are completely unable to find a temporary replacement it's that they are unwilling because of how important this person is to them. You may not agree with it but they aren't going to change just because of that. I don't personally know the team so this is just speculation. For me personally, I don't necessarily agree with it myself but 30+ pages on here prove that there's no point in complaining about it. I've chosen to wait patiently for the update and suggest everyone else do the same.
Also all those saying that this work can be done in a week when there's so many broken mechanics that need fixing clearly doesn't have much experience with real programming. Yes if you're just using the basic ren'py engine it'll take care of everything for you but when you put actual code in and have to do your own debugging it can take a hell of a lot longer even for a really good programmer (the usual estimate is about 90% of a programmers time is spent on 10% of the code). Combine that with how many thousands of lines of code are in this game and it's obvious that it would take a good long while.
You're not getting it. what you're saying might be true for an actual game. but this is using ren'py. there may be thousands of lines of code "which there should not be that much since more lines of codes > more bugs, optimization is required to make these code stripts lesser and lesser. Longer codes does not equal to a better game"
It very well can be done. simply because if you played the game you can realise a few things. This game is using generic ren'py asset library. no custom UI is present no additional game mechanics are there. so give me all the assets of this game "Pictures, scenes, plot and texts all of which already there." And give me 5k$ per month patreon money, I can hire a guy for 3k$ or something for a month, whom speciality is Ren'py. He can create the game from scratch using texts and images very well in a month. and then If I wish, I can just kick him or make him a permanent member of the team. also, I dont have to hire the guy in the first place, I can just give the work to a freelancer or something which will redice the cost. I mean, I can give you a thousands of reasons why this game could be merged in a month and why the "a core member is sick" joke is nonsense.
The thing with ren'py is, devs don't waste time on coding and developing, all they focus on is creating scenes and characters in HS or any other program/game and importing them into the re'py and adding texts. translating them creating a plot etc. it's like writing a book hence the name "visual novel".
No you're not getting it. Ren'py is a wrapper for python that takes care of a lot of the basic bullshit for you but if you want to actually do anything with it then you're making custom python code. Mechanics such as the phone and the bios which are broken right now rely on actual coding not just pre-built baby's first coding ren'py libraries. Add in that they're adding sandbox elements into the merge which is a whole other can of worms plus all the other issues they're trying to fix and you can see why it would take so long. The fact that they were nearly ready before this team member got sick is quite the feat.
What you're talking about is a featureless game but there are any number of features being added/fixed (described above) which is what distinguishes most ren'py games. If you think you can do better then go ahead and do it. Prove it to us with actions not words. Make your own game and see if comes even close to as good as this one.
I mentioned these phone and other assets, they're in WIP for years now. all you've said is true but you need to see, the game doesn't have any of these assets. the only thing we can talk about is phone, and they have been "trying" to implement that phone for years and it's UI is shite and buggy as hell. the rest and main part of the game is pre-built baby's first coding ren'py libraries. The reason why every merge is talking so frakking long and why there's a merge in the first place is the coding in this game imo. Because there are no big assets to speak of besides ren'py libraries. they tried phone and some other stuff that are still in WIP and suck at them massively. maybe that's why they're still in WIP and not being worked on.
There're no features to speak of literally. but if they're adding features in this merge, sure I can understand some delay. But I highly doubt they're. Dude, why are you challenging me to do that? I already praised the game. the game plot, the chracters is what makes a ren'py game a game. I can't pull a story and characters like this game out of my ass. The game is awesome, sure it could be much much much more at the hands of a better dev but can't complain about that. The issue here is dev giving half ass excuses and not giving updates on progress at all. But I sure as shit can take some screenshots, copy text from lorem ipsum and make a ren'py game in a month "I don't know in weeks even" where you just skip through text while background changes and I could add few choices that won't matter. it's all basic ren'py stuff that probably won't require any coding. and I am not saying this to make it sound like I am oh-so IT guy. anyone in this forum can watch a few videos and do what I just said. it's not hard. it's supposed to be not hard in the first place. that's why there's Ren'py. that's why it exists. People don't want to learn coding and stuff. they want to make a visual novel. they want to write, draw, and publish. it's supposed to be easy. just like writing a book.
I can accept the fact that dev isn't a coder so it takes longer to publish updates. but back then when the dev didn't have any experience, money, team the updates were consistent on 1-2 months. but gradually, as he gained more experience, money, staff members the update periods are lengthened, and now he's not even publishing anything at all. doesn't that ring a bell?
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People have responded to you better than I ever could, so I won't bother.
That said, so far, you've only posted in this thread to complain at the moment. I'm not saying stop, but how bout you join in some of the other chats going on alongside that stuff. Like, maybe respond to Skummy's option a/option b questions or something. Y'know, be part of the community you're trying to represent.
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Can someone please provide me with a save for himiko as dom for D8-14?
i have tried script editors but the change doesn't stick it returns to sub after i save again
i have tried script editors but the change doesn't stick it returns to sub after i save again
Alright, I'm gonna try to not feed into this anymore cuz it's not like us arguing will change what the devs are doing anyway. The reason I challenged you is because you're acting like it's the easiest thing in the world but it does take some work if you actually try it. This isn't because ren'py is difficult, you're right that it's piss easy but it's all the other stuff that they're working on that makes it more difficult. Yes there are almost certainly better coders that they could've hired that would've gotten all those WIPs done by now but they have to deal with the team they've got and make their own decisions. As far as new/fixed features the dev team themselves have said that they are fixing the phone, the saves, and the bios, as well as changing the afternoons to sandbox. All of that is supposed to be fixed/added for the merge so it isn't "just a merge". If I were to hazard a guess, all the fixes shouldn't really take that long but I haven't seen their code so it could be an absolute mess that's extra hard to debug, it's most likely the sandbox thing that they're wanting to add that's going to add a lot of time to the merge. Yes there's a way to do it that's built into ren'py but adding it in would require a lot of rearranging of code and refactoring which takes time.
I agree with this entire post. I know that Bluecat is active on Discord, but not everyone is. So, to ignore people on other sites is definitely not good, especially on Patreon. There are definitely patrons who are very frustrated with the lack of communication on progress and are seriously thinking about stopping their support until some kind of progress is made. I have encouraged them to do so. I said that ultimately it is their money, therefore their decision, but why should they support something they are not happy with?
yeah, well, 10 girls off limit? nope, definitly not my choice, I'd risk it and take option 2,
there's always the save function and rollback if things go south.
AnimeKing314 forget it, he's O-IT-sama he knows his shit better then any other
bluddy pirat or ren'py gamedev. For him it's a chellenge and not reasoning.
@ Blue ganbatte kudasai! Some of us still trust you and are patiently waiting for things to go back on track.
Skummy Ecchi I like your new catchphrase, keep it.
there's always the save function and rollback if things go south.
AnimeKing314 forget it, he's O-IT-sama he knows his shit better then any other
bluddy pirat or ren'py gamedev. For him it's a chellenge and not reasoning.
@ Blue ganbatte kudasai! Some of us still trust you and are patiently waiting for things to go back on track.
Skummy Ecchi I like your new catchphrase, keep it.
So you wanna know why Bluecat doesn't come in and talk to you guys on here? Should eh be forced to subject himself to you all to yell at him? Who am I? I'm Skummy, a T8 member and a supporter since Day 3, I'm on good terms with the team and I slowly and organically became Ecchi PR due to the lack of information and the want to keep you all at least soothed. I won't speak on why he refuses to show up, just try to be a mouth piece to take us along for the time being.
Nothing to do for Patreon, if he started just posting "No progress" updates people would be getting madder and madder. What few of you there are on the patronage side, that are agitated over the lack of information, can either look to discord or wait for more to come. We won't hurt you, we're just as tired as everyone else. If people wanna stop supporting they're well within their rights to do so. I for one who find it deeply agitating to get weekly updates with nothing of substance.
I just got done with a 17 hour work day, I'm currently waiting on a tow truck hauling my brother's car, I am in no uncertain terms tired as fuck all. I do not have the energy to even read I.T.'s ranting let alone respond more to it, but rest assured I acknowledge you exist. Feel free to insult the lowly volunteer PR guy, that's what I'm here for, but if you do not like the project you are more than welcome to leave and not support it.
I don't have to care, all that matters is you're allowed to speak, and body's gonna stop you we're just not gonna like you either. Too tired for this, need naptime, but while I await a car on a truck how about we get another choice moving along huh?
Become total blind but have a supreme sense of touch?
or
Lose tough sensations but have perfect eyesight and x-ray vision?
or
Become half blind and limited in touch, but taste and smell are off the charts in return?
Throwin out them curveballs :3
Alright I'm gone!
Stay Healthy, Stay Ecchi! (Totes stole this from you Dirk, I just love using it, but if you ask I'll knock it off)
~Skummy Out!
Nothing to do for Patreon, if he started just posting "No progress" updates people would be getting madder and madder. What few of you there are on the patronage side, that are agitated over the lack of information, can either look to discord or wait for more to come. We won't hurt you, we're just as tired as everyone else. If people wanna stop supporting they're well within their rights to do so. I for one who find it deeply agitating to get weekly updates with nothing of substance.
I just got done with a 17 hour work day, I'm currently waiting on a tow truck hauling my brother's car, I am in no uncertain terms tired as fuck all. I do not have the energy to even read I.T.'s ranting let alone respond more to it, but rest assured I acknowledge you exist. Feel free to insult the lowly volunteer PR guy, that's what I'm here for, but if you do not like the project you are more than welcome to leave and not support it.
I don't have to care, all that matters is you're allowed to speak, and body's gonna stop you we're just not gonna like you either. Too tired for this, need naptime, but while I await a car on a truck how about we get another choice moving along huh?
Become total blind but have a supreme sense of touch?
or
Lose tough sensations but have perfect eyesight and x-ray vision?
or
Become half blind and limited in touch, but taste and smell are off the charts in return?
Throwin out them curveballs :3
Alright I'm gone!
Stay Healthy, Stay Ecchi! (Totes stole this from you Dirk, I just love using it, but if you ask I'll knock it off)
~Skummy Out!