VN Ren'Py Abandoned Ecchi Sensei [Day 22-23 Final] [BlueCat]

[ryyyn73]

It seems to me, that you are having three separate discussions in parallel?

Let's try to sort this out.

1)
It was stated that the story gets less and less detailed as the weeks progress.
If you talk about the total amount of text that Blue produces you are using the wrong metric here. But this point is really nothing to quarrel about. The level of detail is the creators decision. We may like his choice or not, but in the end he gets to choose:
Go faster with less detail or slower with more detail.

2)
It was also stated that sometimes we are shown a blank screen along the text.
Skummy picked this up

For the reason why we kept getting black screened:

Here i don't understand the connection to the translation at all. We know that Blue isn't doing the translation himself. How would translation slow down rendering? If there is a connection, wouldn't it be the other way around? When the translation is slow, i would expect more renders for the same amount of text.

3)
Blues work ethic.
If i understand Skummy correctly Blue writes much more than the text that makes it into the game. But is this really relevant here? The interesting thing is what text is put into the game. It doesn't matter how much additional text Blue hides in his cellar. Only what goes into the game. That is also the only text that needs translating...
I don't know how big and fast the releases came in the past. Was it really that much more text per time than other VNs?

Or am I fundamentally misunderstanding something here?
I don't get what point is being made at all.

 

[Wolfen5]

Well that argument cuts both ways, so you can't accuse him of being lazy if you aren't willing to entertain the fact that he writes too much for translators to feel comfortable with in a monthly deadline format.

Unfortunately, this is where you're wrong and acting childishly. In an argument the one providing the claim tends to need the other to provide the proof for that claim. Not having a counter claim of mere words as proof and then ask proof that they're lying. It's circular and won't lead anywhere. It's called the "Burden of proof fallacy".
Even we did entertain that notion, after 18 months of no news, comments, pics of anything all you're asking is to take your word.
The claim is "Show your work" and your argument is "Prove he isn't working" Seriously?!

 

[Nikeee]

Why are you taking anything ScummySimp says seriously ? He's a self-proclaimed PR boy for his god BlueScam who might not even know he exists and he spent the last 2 years lying just to defend him. Everything he said turned out to be some bullshit he pulled out of his ass, stop giving attention to him.

 

[OctoSky]

Wonder if Bluecat ever plays bingo?

 

[ThaRealThiccShady]

Well that argument cuts both ways, so you can't accuse him of being lazy if you aren't willing to entertain the fact that he writes too much for translators to feel comfortable with in a monthly deadline format.

Dude it’s been well over a year without even a single image being released. That’s the bottom line. No need for translators, coders, writing of any kind, nothing but a single image. Get him to answer/provide that then we’ll go from there into believing they’re actually doing something
Till then I repeat in various forms:

 

[Skummy Ecchi]

Alright, here's a few things:

Ii Bluecat writes a script, and it needs translated, there is only so much a translator is gonna translate before they get burnout in the process. Thus he would be forced to skim down on script to not burn out the translator doing the work, no script? No renders, it makes zero sense to render a scene if there is nothing but a few summary sentences to it. To call him lazy is and unsubstantiated statement, because you lack the full understanding of the situation, for me to defend without proof is also a unsubstantiated statement because all I have is my conversation on why translators seemed to struggle with Bluecats work.

So I called it in essence, a zero sum, you can't successfully argue your point to any reasonable measure, and neither can I. I accepted this, but certainly used the wrong language in that measure. I simply made the statement of why the story went the way it did, people like to call BS on anything because they're just as immature as my dumb ass, and thus the cycle repeats.

I don't know why you guys keep bringing up the other issues of no content, this isn't about that, this is about Weeks 2 and 3 being much more compressed and high paced than Week 1. It has nothing to do with new content upcoming and there isn't much I can do for pictures of why Bluecat had to trim down his script writing considering it happened before I was involved.

 

[ThaRealThiccShady]

Alright, here's a few things:

Ii Bluecat writes a script, and it needs translated, there is only so much a translator is gonna translate before they get burnout in the process. Thus he would be forced to skim down on script to not burn out the translator doing the work, no script? No renders, it makes zero sense to render a scene if there is nothing but a few summary sentences to it. To call him lazy is and unsubstantiated statement, because you lack the full understanding of the situation, for me to defend without proof is also a unsubstantiated statement because all I have is my conversation on why translators seemed to struggle with Bluecats work.

So I called it in essence, a zero sum, you can't successfully argue your point to any reasonable measure, and neither can I. I accepted this, but certainly used the wrong language in that measure. I simply made the statement of why the story went the way it did, people like to call BS on anything because they're just as immature as my dumb ass, and thus the cycle repeats.

I don't know why you guys keep bringing up the other issues of no content, this isn't about that, this is about Weeks 2 and 3 being much more compressed and high paced than Week 1. It has nothing to do with new content upcoming and there isn't much I can do for pictures of why Bluecat had to trim down his script writing considering it happened before I was involved.

There’s no point to it? How about respecting his patrons/fans patience after over a year? I talk to devs regularly and I severely doubt any wouldn’t find this behavior ludicrous-especially if you’re using the excuse of having all this translating you need done-like wtf are they translating? Why not make an image, even if it’s not a final, of one moment from this mountain of writing you’ve supposedly done?
BC? More like BS

 

[OctoSky]

I don't know why you guys keep bringing up the other issues of no content

Because its very very easy to SAY you have been doing work for a year. People want proof, not words. If words are all it takes to believe than I am a 9 foot giant and I ride a Pegasus to work, where do I work, at hogwarts. See? Do you believe me? No? Well why not, I said it, that means its true.

Anyway, all people want is PROOF. Skummy, its a simple request, not a huge thing. The more you deflect from it speaks volumes. Ignoring it, deflecting from it, or just saying "Theres content", is not the words of an honest person, its someone hiding something. As others have said, pictures or it didn't happen.

 

[Skummy Ecchi]

Eh for anyone who really fuckin hates me, I ignore them, but I never lied, I was just a delusional fan boy who wanted to hope against hope that the end of this nightmare was just around the corner. The difference here is that because of the relationship, I can see where this all went off the deep end and I know where its probably going to end, thus I stepped up and am doing my best to put all my capabilities into motion.

I gave Bluecat the MTL, he has to see if it will work out, if it does then the translation issue is solved, if it breaks something that's bad. I will know more later once Bluecat has done his due diligence with the software and lets me know what is up. As much as I like to be a knowing jerk just to kick the hornets nest, I'm also actually working and helping to get this situation resolved.

 

[Wolfen5]

So I called it in essence, a zero sum, you can't successfully argue your point to any reasonable measure, and neither can I. I accepted this, but certainly used the wrong language in that measure. I simply made the statement of why the story went the way it did, people like to call BS on anything because they're just as immature as my dumb ass, and thus the cycle repeats.

Sadly, I have to disagree once more. It isn't a zero sum, it's zero sum thinking or zero sum fallacy.
Octosky provided a very telling timeline of events from actual posts (not claims). It has a logical progression. Without contradictive proof or anything to actually show, the claim that nothing has been done in all this time is supported and after those premises again pointed by Octosky, the conclusion seems clear. The rebuttal was silence, or deflection, from the one person that could offer any sort of counter argument(proof). "Silence implies consent" or even being in denial, is just bad form.
Your fallacious claim that nothing can be reasonably argued has been demonstrably shown as untrue. Claims have been made (accusations if you will), and silence is the response of actual evidence to the contrary. Zero sum thinking can't be used to counter them.

 

[OctoSky]

Sadly, I have to disagree once more. It isn't a zero sum, it's zero sum thinking or zero sum fallacy.
Octosky provided a very telling timeline of events from actual posts (not claims). It has a logical progression. Without contradictive proof or anything to actually show, the claim that nothing has been done in all this time is supported and after those premises again pointed by Octosky, the conclusion seems clear. The rebuttal was silence, or deflection, from the one person that could offer any sort of counter argument(proof). "Silence implies consent" or even being in denial, is just bad form.
Your fallacious claim that nothing can reasonable argued has been demonstrably shown as untrue. Claims have been made (accusations if you will), and silence is the response of actual evidence to the contrary. Zero sum thinking can't be used to counter them.

I knew that compilation was worth it!

 

[EscapesMe]

I gave Bluecat the MTL, he has to see if it will work out, if it does then the translation issue is solved, if it breaks something that's bad. I will know more later once Bluecat has done his due diligence with the software and lets me know what is up. As much as I like to be a knowing jerk just to kick the hornets nest, I'm also actually working and helping to get this situation resolved.

How would a translation break anything? It's just the script that needs translating, not the variables in the code. Come on now...
And if it's so impossible to show just one new image from this update that's supposedly in the works, how about something you must have: A snippet of the script from the new update?

Communication is a powerful tool for any situation where someone will listen, but we're far past that point. Your words ring hollow, because nothing has ever come of them. The goodwill is used up, in other words.
I imagine most come to this thread to get a sliver of hope that the project isn't dead, but all I see is BlueCat, and you by extension, digging Ecchi Sensei's grave deeper and deeper before you finally let go and put it to rest.

 

[Jim Webb]

Soooo. . . Will this months excuse be that Blue is having to learn how to do machine translating and it'll take 2 months to learn? Or that he can't find a proofreader? OH! I know! Latecomer saw that Blue is doing MTL and told Blue that if he takes apart the code he can make it faster and more accurate! Nailed it.

Last I heard Bluecat is going to Russia to fight Ivan Drago and avenge the death of his best friend Apollo Creed!!

 

[layer1avn]

Ii Bluecat writes a script, and it needs translated, there is only so much a translator is gonna translate before they get burnout in the process. Thus he would be forced to skim down on script to not burn out the translator doing the work, no script?

There's churn in any job, but one would expect that even a freelance translator could handle a in-game day or two worth of content. Assuming a professional site would agree to translate porn, 100k words would cost $6000-10000. For context, that's about two light novel's worth of text (and 4-6 months of time, using J-Novel as a reference.)

The problem at this point is almost at a catch-22 state. You need money to do translation, and you need translation to create content. Good luck with that.

I've read enough poorly translated web novels to believe that MTL plus a competent writer could do a good enough job. Web novel translations usually lack the latter.

 

[Skummy Ecchi]

I've decided to cut my losses, quit my shit, and just stay under the radar to not be pinged by Mods for going off the deep end. I'll let you guys know what the fuck happens but otherwise I just need to keep my damn mouth shut.

 

[LooLoo Baloo]

Skummy, all people have asked for is proof that bluecat hasn't lied for the past year. That he has worked on the game, and that he hasn't simply made easy money from people while doing nothing

And if one single picture is unreasonable and impossible for bluecat to give to you, and you're going to quit the PR because of it, then it's clear what's happened

And you've put hundreds in this game, you should be demanding answers from bluecat more than anyone. Instead of deflecting for him. And repeating excuses which make no legitimate sense. PR spinning helps nobody. And if you want to quit that, it saves your own time

It seems like the end of the road for bluecat. Again, I've got no sympathy. He's made tens of thousands from people over the year. For something, the merge, that is now abandoned

 

[Skalli]

I don't get the translators part. The current future days have not been translated because of missing translator. But the past were cut short because any translator would be overwhelmed? It doesn't make sense at all. The past work has been translated by Latecomer, right?
But the first week has much higher density and better writing, so it worked there. If one guy is overwhelmed with the work, get more guys. The income at the time was enough to afford that too. But now for 1 and a 1/2 years no translations have happened at all as far as we can see. Surely translators could have gone at a slower rate.
We should have finished scripts for 2 more releases and renders for them. Even if translation is lagging behind, it doesn't slow down the "rendering" or scene creation because that can be based on the German script in the first place. The release can happen when the translations are done, if the translations lag behind so much, then the time can be invested to clean up the code, fix bugs and improve the stories, add animations, whatever.
Nothing of that has happend, no proof of work in any form, just statements that contradict themselves over and over and lack of answers to very valid questions...

 

[ThatGuy88]

None of it makes sense because it is likely excuses covered with lies. If they were really working on it, it would've been done long ago even with poor management.

The inability or want to show some sort of progress with either the merge or this supposed next couple of days update(that was claimed to be already finished, just missing translations) shows how much dedication they have to this project at this point

 

[Skummy Ecchi]

Skummy, all people have asked for is proof that bluecat hasn't lied for the past year. That he has worked on the game, and that he hasn't simply made easy money from people while doing nothing

And if one single picture is unreasonable and impossible for bluecat to give to you, and you're going to quit the PR because of it, then it's clear what's happened

And you've put hundreds in this game, you should be demanding answers from bluecat more than anyone. Instead of deflecting for him. And repeating excuses which make no legitimate sense. PR spinning helps nobody. And if you want to quit that, it saves your own time

It seems like the end of the road for bluecat. Again, I've got no sympathy. He's made tens of thousands from people over the year. For something, the merge, that is now abandoned

See, I HAVE the proof, I have the script, I've seen the code, I know what the hell is going on. But it isn't MINE to share, and that's where I have to cut myself off because I'm only making things worse and getting into a pissing contest over jack squat. I'm plenty pissed, but I also am over it and just trying to not put shit on blast. Don't take my helpfulness for acceptance please, I'm angry but I also am just not gonna get all worked up about it regardless of how much time and money I committed. I just do not have the energy to maintain that level of hate

I have no goodwill, no PR spins left, and frankly without the ability to reassure that things are at least progressing I'm doing far more harm than good. I thought if I could get ya'll pissed with me it would help keep shit maintained but, eh, that's just gonna get me banned lol. I'll be back when I have proof this whole thing wasn't a complete sham flim flam case of spam :3 I'm not quitting entirely, but I'm just not gonna be an ass either and wait till I have something to hand over.

I can't make anyone feel a certain way, but I'm generally just kind of numb and I'm waiting on feedback at this stage that I can relay to here. I do apologize to those who are actually civil with me for my actions, everyone else can bite me

 

[Smarmint]

I see. So Bluecat is such an incredibly proficient writer, that nobody can keep up with the translation! And since nobody can translate Bluecat's awesome output, he doesn't feel like making any images, since it would be a waste of time. (Huh? I don't get this part, but whatever).

So Bluecat is really the victim here, of his own incredible talent. If only he worked less, we might have something to see after more than a year.