VN Ren'Py Elite Garden [Ep.4] [A&K Studio]

[FuhQ314]

I've seen people complain about NTR, some of which I can understand.

I've seen one person complain about a game because it "felt" like it could have NTR even though it didn't.

Now i've seen you, complaining about a game because it has a friend in it.

That's just hilarious.

I can't even facepalm because that doesn't quite measure up to how dumb that post is. I feel that if your post was a person it would have dyed blue hair and be stood outside of a college shouting "reeeeeee" into the wind.

Well, I'm sure a small minority will complain about lack of gay scenes with that friend too. Some people will complain no matter what the dev does or doesn't do, it's just impossible to avoid that. As far as NTR it's why some devs only have the MC as the lone male in the entire AVN world they create, as unrealistic as that is, when they want to avoid triggering over 98% of potential NTR-sensitive types (the other 2% will still see it when it's not there no matter what). Hell on one of my SS subs many people were bitching about an LI getting spit-roasted by the MC and another dude from the dev's unrelated comic strip in a weekly render set even though it was 100% not canon to the AVN itself with the only thing in common was the Daz models used (rookie dev mistake at the time).

 

[Dessolos]

Exactly my point, not an incest AVN = might as well have the MC as the only child and with dead or absent parents instead of wasting models by making them sisters. I see some are/will be complaining about NTR after they get fucked by someone else even though they are not LI's (so technically not NTR) so to some it's same vibe (incest pareidolia I guess) even without the incest.

the way I see it is this dev is trying to be different and tell a story. Just because people like incest or treat every female as character that needs to be fucked in these games doesn't mean it should be that way in this game. I applaud the dev so far by not giving in and making them non romanceable. I'm probably in the miniority but I would honestly love it if more devs included characters that were not romanceable at all and just friends , or family just to tell a story / include some wholesome moments , etc etc.

 

[Nobuganda]

only criminal thing so far from just a few clicks in is the sister being the best looking one imo, but thx and good luck

 

[Old Grumpy Wolf]

oh, yeah, that one! I remember quitting it last time after 10 minutes or so, because the MC gave me serious Serial Killer vibes.
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(I really hope, it's not a self insert)

but, it's summer and I'm bored, so lets try it again because, lets face it, nowadays there are way worse out there than serial killers! and those tags I can avoid.

Possibly a player self insert. I never got that vibe from him. Maybe there's something you'd like to tell all of us?

 

[FuhQ314]

the way I see it is this dev is trying to be different and tell a story. Just because people like incest or treat every female as character that needs to be fucked in these games doesn't mean it should be that way in this game. I applaud the dev so far by not giving in and making them non romanceable. I'm probably in the miniority but I would honestly love it if more devs included characters that were not romanceable at all and just friends , or family just to tell a story / include some wholesome moments , etc etc.

Eh I see these for what they mostly are: porno stories, which AVNs are synonomous for (a few have no sex tag but those usually don't do very well as far as subs). If I want wholesome I'll just watch PBS, Youtube, or Curiosity Stream or some Disney movie.

 

[Justaphase]

Way too short and almost none of my favourite girl Kiara but I still look forward to the future of this, as this game is in it's infancy but still has alot of potential IMO.

 

[Dessolos]

Eh I see these for what they mostly are: porno stories, which AVNs are synonomous for (a few have no sex tag but those usually don't do very well as far as subs). If I want wholesome I'll just watch PBS, Youtube, or Curiosity Stream or some Disney movie.

if that's how you see them fair enough. I don't really consider AVN meaning porn game tbh. For me a AVN simply just means Adult VN which can include nudity , sex ( which doesn't automatically make it porn in my eyes) or a range of other adult themes. For me it depends on the context and overall feel of the game if I consider it a porn game. So far I don't consider this a porn game at all , far from it.

 

[Old Grumpy Wolf]

Never enough Kiara...she's just stunning.

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Yes, she is. But she's a pain in the fucking ass. No thank you.

 

[Dessolos]

Yes, she is. But she's a pain in the fucking ass. No thank you.

I'll deal with that burden for you she is worth it. Especially all the head pats she is going to get and I can't forget about the nose boop.

 

[Krytax123]

It did feel like a bit of a setup episode with the first full sex scene thrown in, it's setup potential conflict between Mina and Meera (Mina seemed rather worried about Meera finding MC in her apartment), the future party likely the set piece of the next episode or mainly the one after, the football captain suddenly appearing to ghost the cheerleading captain (we don't actually see him after the cheerleader asks us to speak to him so it might be more serious but I'm assuming ghosting for now) could that be because of her involvement with Fred?. MC's mom getting unwanted romantic attention from an as yet unknown person. The girls attempting to set up Fred despite his (currently casual) relationship with their captain, while not resolving anything from previous episodes, we still don't know for sure whether it was Fred's girlfriend who was throwing up at the end of ep 3, and if it was why? Was it pregnancy, hangover or something else?

Olivia (the cheerleader captain) and Fred's girl are fortunaly not the same (i want Olivia!) so i doubt any relation.

Im not entirely sure, is the MC's dad still alive? Could it be the dad who maybe is a rich guy and was on the phone with the dean too asking about the siblings? Dunno just some thoughts.

I think this game will also focus on the romantic relationships of the siblings, for example. The brother even already has a girlfriend. I understand why people who don't like NTR might be put off by this. This 'girlfriend' of the brother is already one less LI for the MC.

Fuck these people, really. I dislike NTR too but these guys demand from devs to create dumb and boring storys where the MC is the only guy existing. All other guys are morons, douchebags or gay. We have dumb harem games like that all over this site, play it if you want.

Having non-moronic other guys in the world, or family members (which you dont fuck for a change) increases the immersion of a story and makes it feel more grounded. Relationships feel better and more immersive too if they are in a world with other people reacting to it.

Nothing is more boring as these AVN's where every existing person is part of your little harem or a moron.

So yeah, fuck this entitled, insecure, bitchy attitude. Dont read the AVN if you think every render showing another guy or a non-Li are wasted. They can just go and read their boring storys for dumb people.

Exactly my point, not an incest AVN = might as well have the MC as the only child and with dead or absent parents instead of wasting models by making them sisters. I see some are/will be complaining about NTR after they get fucked by someone else even though they are not LI's (so technically not NTR) so to some it's same vibe (incest pareidolia I guess) even without the incest.

Who cares if non-LI's have a relationship or sexlife, the dev in this game is doing it perfectly so far. The brother has an acitve sexlife but its now shoved in our face, its in the background which is completly fine, we dont have to watch him fuck and he got the ugliest cheerleader

And yeah as stated above, nah fuck that. Its awesome that the mc has a normal family for once, not everyone has a entirely porn damaged brain.

Edit:

The update was unfortunaly waaaaaaaay too short and no lewd animations in the future is disappointing but on the bright side, the lewd scene was pretty good even without animation imo

 

[FuhQ314]

And yeah as stated above, nah fuck that. Its awesome that the mc has a normal family for once, not everyone has a entirely porn damaged brain.

eh my brain was fixed by porn, it's most of everyone else that needs theirs repaired by a good daughter/sister/mommy/auntie/cousin fucker. Or better still try it irl, they might like it.

 

[MiltonPowers]

I don't understand, there is no shortage of incest (or harem) games, why is there always this discussion in games that aren't?

 

[AgnorWolf]

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Its literally the same in harem incest game threads, there's always idiots asking for ntr or how hawt some sharing would be. In fem dom games you get people asking for male dom... its the same all over the site

 

[MiltonPowers]

Its literally the same in harem incest game threads, there's always idiots asking for ntr or how hawt some sharing would be. In fem dom games you get people asking for male dom... its the same all over the site

 

[ename144]

Eh I see these for what they mostly are: porno stories, which AVNs are synonomous for (a few have no sex tag but those usually don't do very well as far as subs). If I want wholesome I'll just watch PBS, Youtube, or Curiosity Stream or some Disney movie.

Or just a play a good AVN. The mere fact that a story has hardcore sex in it does not mean it can't have other interesting things in it, too. Characters can be - and SHOULD be - more than just walking sex organs.

As for the update, I thought it was underwhelming. The Meera scene felt very sudden after things came to a screeching halt last time. We didn't get much of a chance to bond with her in the off time, and the lewd content felt too clinical. It's just a choice of blowjob or handjob; no discussion, no enthusiasm or awkwardness, and no option to return the favor. And that's if you flirt with her. If you keep it casual, the scene just ends.

Meanwhile Mina's scene felt like a carbon copy of her last scene: if you hang out with her, it's expected to lead to no-strings-attached sex. If you try to actually hang out with her after saying you don't want to sleep with her last time, the MC will specifically say he wasn't rejecting her last time, he's just really indecisive. The message is clearly that Mina has no role other than sex, which is a curious choice for a game that I just defended for including non-fuckable siblings.

And that was pretty much it. We saw the mom getting more flowers and set up the party, but there wasn't much to process if you didn't feel like fooling around with Meera or Mina. I'm perfectly fine with the devs dropping the animations, but I was expecting the gameplay would step up and it seems like we got the opposite.

 

[herreraaa]

48 pages and 48 reviews... seems logic

 

[FuhQ314]

I don't understand, there is no shortage of incest (or harem) games, why is there always this discussion in games that aren't?

well, for long-time AVN fans it seems there is in fact an incest shortage of late, at least if you're looking for the ones actually meant to be so with no patch or 3rd party mod and also in Daz, HS or VAM and Renpy with no sandbox. Probably from the last 100-150 or so new AVNs that come out over the past couple years not even 10% of them are genuine incest ones. On SS with devs that have one I've subbed to every one of them over the past 4 years since the start of Covid and it's not even 25 of them (plus a few others I've unsubbed like Mr Dot after he completed DMD and SSL or older long-since-completed ones like Hailey's Story). Blame Patreon and devs that put money above everything else and those that sub to them anyway, as I know of only a few devs that write 2 scripts themselves with the same set of renders, 1 rewritten/censored one for Patreon and the original incest one for SS (no, simply changing changing roommates to sisters with a patch isn't the same thing).

 

[shamtiiomi]

i need to ask this bcs well no time to play much this days.....if i didnt go to a date with mina there is a date with someone else?

 

[xXwankerXx]

the way I see it is this dev is trying to be different and tell a story. Just because people like incest or treat every female as character that needs to be fucked in these games doesn't mean it should be that way in this game.

I respectfully disagree. Not liking incest or one or more female characters cuz of tastes and preferences is an absolutely normal and logical thing to expect seeing in the comments/reviews in a porn game thread, but I'd argue that intentionally making an attractive female character not romantically or at least sexually available to the MC isn't a good idea, and you can see why in this and the BARS threads.

I never understood the logic behind this type of thinking, if we consider that making these characters costs devs money and a simple avoid or keep it friendly with them does basically the same thing, but different strokes, I guess.

I applaud the dev so far by not giving in and making them non romanceable. I'm probably in the miniority but I would honestly love it if more devs included characters that were not romanceable at all and just friends , or family just to tell a story / include some wholesome moments , etc etc.

If seeing the world burn and games get abandoned left and right due to all the negative feedback and complaints is your MO here, then you'd be on your way to certain victory. If not, then I think devs doing this is not a good idea at all.

But seriously now, just like in reality, there CANNOT and NEVER will be possible to see something even resembling an actual friendship, not lust or romantic interest camouflaged as this, between at least one attractive person and another one. Reality teaches us it's an impossible concept, cuz as they spend more time together, at least one of them is bound to become sexually/romantically attracted to the other. Ppl who ask for all female characters like Arianne to be romanceable or fuckable are probably using the same logic in fiction too, since it's fiction for a reason. Can't say I blame them, cuz this is a matter of tastes and preferences again and it's why variety is good in porn games.

if that's how you see them fair enough. I don't really consider AVN meaning porn game tbh. For me a AVN simply just means Adult VN which can include nudity , sex ( which doesn't automatically make it porn in my eyes) or a range of other adult themes. For me it depends on the context and overall feel of the game if I consider it a porn game. So far I don't consider this a porn game at all , far from it.

Ok, sounds like a fair argument, BUT keep in mind that porn game devs need to make money off their games too to keep working on them, and sadly, in our case, the dev's monthly income isn't anything worth mentioning as a plus.

I like this game too, especially for female characters like Ari, Catherine, Emily and Kiara, but the story isn't something that interesting that will keep you in suspense about what happens next, nor are the so far vanilla sex scenes.

Sorry, but I have a completely different take on this. A porn game needs a promising story that should deliver exactly what fans expect from it, a few gorgeous female characters/LIs, a good romantic build-up, a looot of good, passionate sex scenes with at least a few different and completely optional fetishes as their main focus, one or two decently-written antagonists for MC's character development and a few interesting plot twists, and a few endings that'll bring the closure fans are looking for.

Not catering to the majority of one's fans and subscribers a dev wants as their target audience and only teasing them with attractive female characters like literally dangling a carrot in front of them won't make ppl rush to support a game, and no good monthly income means an inevitable abandoned tag. There's a lot of examples where exactly this happened and where money was, in most cases, the main reason invoked for it.

 

[Dessolos]

I respectfully disagree. Not liking incest or one or more female characters cuz of tastes and preferences is an absolutely normal and logical thing to expect seeing in the comments/reviews in a porn game thread, but I'd argue that intentionally making an attractive female character not romantically or at least sexually available to the MC isn't a good idea, and you can see why in this and the BARS threads.

I never understood the logic behind this type of thinking, if we consider that making these characters costs devs money and a simple avoid or keep it friendly with them does basically the same thing, but different strokes, I guess.



If seeing the world burn and games get abandoned left and right due to all the negative feedback and complaints is your MO here, then you'd be on your way to certain victory. If not, then I think devs doing this is not a good idea at all.

But seriously now, just like in reality, there CANNOT and NEVER will be possible to see something even resembling an actual friendship, not lust or romantic interest camouflaged as this, between at least one attractive person and another one. Reality teaches us it's an impossible concept, cuz as they spend more time together, at least one of them is bound to become sexually/romantically attracted to the other. Ppl who ask for all female characters like Arianne to be romanceable or fuckable are probably using the same logic in fiction too, since it's fiction for a reason. Can't say I blame them, cuz this is a matter of tastes and preferences again and it's why variety is good in porn games.



Ok, sounds like a fair argument, BUT keep in mind that porn game devs need to make money off their games too to keep working on them, and sadly, in our case, the dev's monthly income isn't anything worth mentioning as a plus.

I like this game too, especially for female characters like Ari, Catherine, Emily and Kiara, but the story isn't something that interesting that will keep you in suspense about what happens next, nor are the so far vanilla sex scenes.

Sorry, but I have a completely different take on this. A porn game needs a promising story that should deliver exactly what fans expect from it, a few gorgeous female characters/LIs, a good romantic build-up, a looot of good, passionate sex scenes with at least a few different and completely optional fetishes as their main focus, one or two decently-written antagonists for MC's character development and a few interesting plot twists, and a few endings that'll bring the closure fans are looking for.

Not catering to the majority of one's fans and subscribers a dev wants as their target audience and only teasing them with attractive female characters like literally dangling a carrot in front of them won't make ppl rush to support a game, and no good monthly income means an inevitable abandoned tag. There's a lot of examples where exactly this happened and where money was, in most cases, the main reason invoked for it.

Well yeah you make some valid points when talking from a money point of view but I wasn't. My opinion on this doesn't consider money at all I was speaking more in general terms. If you take money in account yeah you are right , but if you are just talking about making a good game some may like and others might not then I disagree , about making a attractive non romanceable being a bad thing.

Honestly I do wish Ari was romanceable too but not because she is hot. There are plenty of other hot LI in this game. What is more frustrating she has the best personality out all of them for me. I still don't think it is a bad thing and I do like it because of how it bring a wholesome family element to the game.

I disagree about you say how it's impossible for there to be a friendship between opposite sex. Yeah sure there probably will always be attraction from one of them but doesn't mean you need to act on it. It all comes down to the person. I was always the shy and introverted person still am so it's really easy for me to never make a move on any females friends and just be friends with them. The only way id peruse a romance with a female friend is if they made the first move. I even had 1 friend in high school where I never felt any attraction towards her , while not a 10/10 she was still pretty good looking. But why I personally like the idea of some characters just being friends and not romanceable to me it makes AVN world's feel a bit more realistic where not every LI is going for the MC and wants him and has their own life.

I'm a bit mixed on the story element need to be good in any AVN not just a porn AVN ( I don't consider this a porn game). I think it really depends on the game and person id say. As there are plenty of AVN's ive played I consider the story meh but I love the characters. That is why I personally value Characters and enjoyment over story.