VN Ren'Py Elite Garden [Ep.4] [A&K Studio]

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ename144

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Eh I see these for what they mostly are: porno stories, which AVNs are synonomous for (a few have no sex tag but those usually don't do very well as far as subs). If I want wholesome I'll just watch PBS, Youtube, or Curiosity Stream or some Disney movie.
Or just a play a good AVN. The mere fact that a story has hardcore sex in it does not mean it can't have other interesting things in it, too. Characters can be - and SHOULD be - more than just walking sex organs.

As for the update, I thought it was underwhelming. The Meera scene felt very sudden after things came to a screeching halt last time. We didn't get much of a chance to bond with her in the off time, and the lewd content felt too clinical. It's just a choice of blowjob or handjob; no discussion, no enthusiasm or awkwardness, and no option to return the favor. And that's if you flirt with her. If you keep it casual, the scene just ends.

Meanwhile Mina's scene felt like a carbon copy of her last scene: if you hang out with her, it's expected to lead to no-strings-attached sex. If you try to actually hang out with her after saying you don't want to sleep with her last time, the MC will specifically say he wasn't rejecting her last time, he's just really indecisive. The message is clearly that Mina has no role other than sex, which is a curious choice for a game that I just defended for including non-fuckable siblings. :confused:

And that was pretty much it. We saw the mom getting more flowers and set up the party, but there wasn't much to process if you didn't feel like fooling around with Meera or Mina. I'm perfectly fine with the devs dropping the animations, but I was expecting the gameplay would step up and it seems like we got the opposite. :(
 

FuhQ314

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I don't understand, there is no shortage of incest (or harem) games, why is there always this discussion in games that aren't?
well, for long-time AVN fans it seems there is in fact an incest shortage of late, at least if you're looking for the ones actually meant to be so with no patch or 3rd party mod and also in Daz, HS or VAM and Renpy with no sandbox. Probably from the last 100-150 or so new AVNs that come out over the past couple years not even 10% of them are genuine incest ones. On SS with devs that have one I've subbed to every one of them over the past 4 years since the start of Covid and it's not even 25 of them (plus a few others I've unsubbed like Mr Dot after he completed DMD and SSL or older long-since-completed ones like Hailey's Story). Blame Patreon and devs that put money above everything else and those that sub to them anyway, as I know of only a few devs that write 2 scripts themselves with the same set of renders, 1 rewritten/censored one for Patreon and the original incest one for SS (no, simply changing changing roommates to sisters with a patch isn't the same thing).
 

shamtiiomi

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i need to ask this bcs well no time to play much this days.....if i didnt go to a date with mina there is a date with someone else?
 

xXwankerXx

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the way I see it is this dev is trying to be different and tell a story. Just because people like incest or treat every female as character that needs to be fucked in these games doesn't mean it should be that way in this game.
I respectfully disagree. Not liking incest or one or more female characters cuz of tastes and preferences is an absolutely normal and logical thing to expect seeing in the comments/reviews in a porn game thread, but I'd argue that intentionally making an attractive female character not romantically or at least sexually available to the MC isn't a good idea, and you can see why in this and the BARS threads.

I never understood the logic behind this type of thinking, if we consider that making these characters costs devs money and a simple avoid or keep it friendly with them does basically the same thing, but different strokes, I guess.:unsure:

I applaud the dev so far by not giving in and making them non romanceable. I'm probably in the miniority but I would honestly love it if more devs included characters that were not romanceable at all and just friends , or family just to tell a story / include some wholesome moments , etc etc.
If seeing the world burn and games get abandoned left and right due to all the negative feedback and complaints is your MO here, then you'd be on your way to certain victory.:ROFLMAO::KEK: If not, then I think devs doing this is not a good idea at all.

But seriously now, just like in reality, there CANNOT and NEVER will be possible to see something even resembling an actual friendship, not lust or romantic interest camouflaged as this, between at least one attractive person and another one. Reality teaches us it's an impossible concept, cuz as they spend more time together, at least one of them is bound to become sexually/romantically attracted to the other. Ppl who ask for all female characters like Arianne to be romanceable or fuckable are probably using the same logic in fiction too, since it's fiction for a reason. Can't say I blame them, cuz this is a matter of tastes and preferences again and it's why variety is good in porn games.

if that's how you see them fair enough. I don't really consider AVN meaning porn game tbh. For me a AVN simply just means Adult VN which can include nudity , sex ( which doesn't automatically make it porn in my eyes) or a range of other adult themes. For me it depends on the context and overall feel of the game if I consider it a porn game. So far I don't consider this a porn game at all , far from it.
Ok, sounds like a fair argument, BUT keep in mind that porn game devs need to make money off their games too to keep working on them, and sadly, in our case, the dev's monthly income isn't anything worth mentioning as a plus.

I like this game too, especially for female characters like Ari, Catherine, Emily and Kiara, but the story isn't something that interesting that will keep you in suspense about what happens next, nor are the so far vanilla sex scenes.

Sorry, but I have a completely different take on this. A porn game needs a promising story that should deliver exactly what fans expect from it, a few gorgeous female characters/LIs, a good romantic build-up, a looot of good, passionate sex scenes with at least a few different and completely optional fetishes as their main focus, one or two decently-written antagonists for MC's character development and a few interesting plot twists, and a few endings that'll bring the closure fans are looking for.

Not catering to the majority of one's fans and subscribers a dev wants as their target audience and only teasing them with attractive female characters like literally dangling a carrot in front of them won't make ppl rush to support a game, and no good monthly income means an inevitable abandoned tag. There's a lot of examples where exactly this happened and where money was, in most cases, the main reason invoked for it.
 
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