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indio68

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I don't wanna depend on that, and its not that I couldn't. Its just that... for this? Now? It isn't worth it. I sunk a lot of $ into this. And I am not willing to invest in it further.

Besides, I already got some proof readers and people helping out. That will have to suffice. As for the whole aspect of revealing and not revealing, I understand.

I have started to tweak and tinker with it, see if I can find middle ground, some sort of balance between something but not too much. But thank you for taking your time to give your opinion and insight.



Here’s the truth:

I did NOT abandon the original storyline. I expanded it.

I am building Book 2 right now through Wheel of Fate, and every choice here shapes the world. And in the long term, it shapes the main character.

Just because someone doesn't feel the weight of what's happening doesn't mean it’s not meaningful—yes, that can be the case, but it can also mean they weren’t invested in the bigger picture, or perhaps expected something very different from what the game evolved into. Either way, I'll respect both.

I will not and can’t please everyone. That’s a harsh truth I’ve learned in the time I’ve spent here. Some people want “Silas banter and lewds.” Others want “burning sanctuaries and divine reckoning.”
I chose to elevate the world.
That means some folks won’t vibe with it.
And that’s okay.

Wheel of Fate was not created as a simple filler.
The initial plan was “War Table,” which was purely narrative.
But despite the backlash and negative feedback, I decided to scrap that idea and expand it—to make it bigger. From lore to gameplay to consequences.

And it certainly ties into events and the story after Chapter 5. Most of what is done here will carry over into Book 2.

As I mentioned in a post somewhere before:
Given everything that’s happened, I probably should’ve burned this entire project to the ground and flipped it the middle finger.
But I didn’t.
Despite every circumstance I have that would justify it... I didn’t.

Why?

Not because of you. Not because of anyone here or there. Because I’m personally invested in it. Because everything I now do on it—I do for myself. Every additional penny, despite the losses I’ve taken, I spend on it for me. Because I am emotionally attached to it.

While I will respect your opinion, feedback, and critiques, there’s one important thing to understand:

I’m doing this for myself. Because I want to create, continue, and finish this story.

I stopped doing it for others the moment it left me with $10,000 in red on my bank account.

And now?

Leak it or don’t. Play it or don’t. Tag along with me, or take a plane to an entirely different land. It is entirely up to you.


Last but not least:
Please—and PLEASE—don’t misunderstand my words as some personal attack, or go “hurr durr, this dev is mad.”


I’m not attacking you.
I’m not angry.
I’m just trying to make you—and anyone else with the same opinion—understand the why and how behind all of this.


I’m being transparent, which is more than you can say for half the devs out there.
so lety me understand this...is this a season 2 of the elleria game and it will continue where ended season 1 or what??? cuz if it's some side story or rework or whatever i will be very pissed about this ..i hate not being able to continue a good game (even if with some dull choices bt you like let the elf girel be gone)...can you answer this for me, thanks p.s will this must be installed into elleria season1 foldewr and will my save will works??
 

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so lety me understand this...is this a season 2 of the elleria game and it will continue where ended season 1 or what??? cuz if it's some side story or rework or whatever i will be very pissed about this ..i hate not being able to continue a good game (even if with some dull choices bt you like let the elf girel be gone)...can you answer this for me, thanks p.s will this must be installed into elleria season1 foldewr and will my save will works??
No, this is not Book 2. YET.

What this is, is continuation, aka after events of Chapter 5 from Book 1. Wheel of Fate acts as a bridge between Book 1 and 2, aka the events that lead into Book 2.

This isn't a side story, it is expansion to initial story and where it ended. When that armored cunt pops about. This is set six months after that cliffhanger, and you basically continue from there.

Just that there is a lot more to it. You will also at some point through Wheel of Fate, witness the combat scene that happened and events after that when Eliot vanished after that fight.

It all ties into here. So, once again, this isn't a filler, this isn't a side story or rework. This is expansion. Wheel of Fate is a bridge between Book 1 end, and Book 2 start. You're just crusading right now till Book 2 will be produced.

So yes, this is continuation. With every new act, you'll see how things start to come together and more is revealed.


As for save files, it is highly likely they will not work given the size and scope of the update. But... read the patch notes. Look for Chapters Select in main menu, jump wherever you were, or if you already finished Book 1, then choose DLC option. It will allow you to name the character to whatever name you were using, and you can continue.

Nothing lost.
 

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I don't wanna depend on that, and its not that I couldn't. Its just that... for this? Now? It isn't worth it. I sunk a lot of $ into this. And I am not willing to invest in it further.

Besides, I already got some proof readers and people helping out. That will have to suffice. As for the whole aspect of revealing and not revealing, I understand.

I have started to tweak and tinker with it, see if I can find middle ground, some sort of balance between something but not too much. But thank you for taking your time to give your opinion and insight.



Here’s the truth:

I did NOT abandon the original storyline. I expanded it.

I am building Book 2 right now through Wheel of Fate, and every choice here shapes the world. And in the long term, it shapes the main character.

Just because someone doesn't feel the weight of what's happening doesn't mean it’s not meaningful—yes, that can be the case, but it can also mean they weren’t invested in the bigger picture, or perhaps expected something very different from what the game evolved into. Either way, I'll respect both.

I will not and can’t please everyone. That’s a harsh truth I’ve learned in the time I’ve spent here. Some people want “Silas banter and lewds.” Others want “burning sanctuaries and divine reckoning.”
I chose to elevate the world.
That means some folks won’t vibe with it.
And that’s okay.

Wheel of Fate was not created as a simple filler.
The initial plan was “War Table,” which was purely narrative.
But despite the backlash and negative feedback, I decided to scrap that idea and expand it—to make it bigger. From lore to gameplay to consequences.

And it certainly ties into events and the story after Chapter 5. Most of what is done here will carry over into Book 2.

As I mentioned in a post somewhere before:
Given everything that’s happened, I probably should’ve burned this entire project to the ground and flipped it the middle finger.
But I didn’t.
Despite every circumstance I have that would justify it... I didn’t.

Why?

Not because of you. Not because of anyone here or there. Because I’m personally invested in it. Because everything I now do on it—I do for myself. Every additional penny, despite the losses I’ve taken, I spend on it for me. Because I am emotionally attached to it.

While I will respect your opinion, feedback, and critiques, there’s one important thing to understand:

I’m doing this for myself. Because I want to create, continue, and finish this story.

I stopped doing it for others the moment it left me with $10,000 in red on my bank account.

And now?

Leak it or don’t. Play it or don’t. Tag along with me, or take a plane to an entirely different land. It is entirely up to you.


Last but not least:
Please—and PLEASE—don’t misunderstand my words as some personal attack, or go “hurr durr, this dev is mad.”


I’m not attacking you.
I’m not angry.
I’m just trying to make you—and anyone else with the same opinion—understand the why and how behind all of this.


I’m being transparent, which is more than you can say for half the devs out there.
Thanks for replying. What I fail to see is how you'll make renders for 50 million possible outcomes or variations of events? Since that's something you wrote in the changelog. When you say that you won't adhear to feedback that would only please me or a few others of a certain opinion I wonder what I specifically asked? Because all I'd love to see is more of what is already there in book 1 which is really not that crazy.

Did want to write more but I caught myself speculating on what could be and a lot of speaking after the facts so I'll refrain from that but I'll say that War Table would've been more on point with what you created before and would be better for the story.
 

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Thanks for replying. What I fail to see is how you'll make renders for 50 million possible outcomes or variations of events? Since that's something you wrote in the changelog. When you say that you won't adhear to feedback that would only please me or a few others of a certain opinion I wonder what I specifically asked? Because all I'd love to see is more of what is already there in book 1 which is really not that crazy.

Did want to write more but I caught myself speculating on what could be and a lot of speaking after the facts so I'll refrain from that but I'll say that War Table would've been more on point with what you created before and would be better for the story.
Not a problem, and let me help you out with understanding this particular part. It seems to be unclear or confusing you perhaps.

“How will you make renders for 50 million possible outcomes?”

You misunderstood the phrase. That wasn’t literal. That’s hyperbole for the sheer scope of branching decisions, not that I’m rendering 50 million variations in DAZ one by one.

Wheel of Fate is still primarily narrative-driven, using text, flags, and dynamic outcomes. Only key events or major shifts get dedicated renders. The rest are structured like interactive books with visual transitions—just like most of Book 1.

As for this part:

“All I'd love to see is more of what is already there in Book 1"

Totally fair. And you will see that. But Book 1 had to end. What’s being built now is the result of what happened in Book 1. That means a wider lens, bigger picture, and yes, some shifts in tone. It’s not the end of what made Book 1 it’s just not only that anymore.

You mentioned War Table being more on point—and you’re right. That was the original plan. A static, clean, but it would be no-renders DLC that just set up Book 2.

But I scrapped it because it didn’t feel worthy of what was coming. I wanted something deeper, bolder, something that feels like it matters. That’s where Wheel of Fate came from. I blended two things together for more impact, which doubled my work perhaps... but more fun for those who play and like it.

So, basically, "50 million unique permutations" line in the patch notes doesn’t mean I’m rendering 50 million scenes in DAZ like a deranged machine.

It refers to the narrative structure—combinations of flags, choices, world states, and character reactions that stack over time. Most of it plays out in text and branching logic. Not everything gets a CG.

The whole point of that line was to highlight how your choices actually matter and create meaningful divergence—not to suggest I’ve built the Matrix and I'm rendering it with DAZ. Even if I wish I could!

I have to weigh what serves the overall vision vs. what pulls it backwards. War Table was tighter and smaller. It would be simple, quick, easy. But as I said... I had a question. And Wheel of Fate became the answer to a question I asked myself "what if I actually followed through on the world I built?"

I hope this helps you understand the situation on this better.
 

MrBenny

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Oh I dunno, perhaps the dev just wanted to actually show Silas' story fully (with him actually roaming the places he goes to, describing fully what he sees and feels), instead of merely showing highlights/summary like you described in your "reporting mission" method?
Have you actually even thought about that? lol


:FacePalm: where are you even getting this so-called "logic" from?
Silas is not a puppet of MC, he's MC's apprentice.

And while Silas believes MC and follows MC's orders, it is actually possible to shape him to take actions that MC may not necessarily take if good choice options are given (such as Zaton & Shani in Desert Stalker who are the primary & secondary protagonist in that game. You can shape Shani to have a bit of opposite morals to Zaton if the player chooses to).

So such a thing is not impossible.
Perhaps Silas may take an action in the future that MC would not take in same situation.

And what even are you referring to with the whole "watching Silas do what he was told to do by the actual protagonist." All MC gave to him in terms of instructions were "Go and spy on Falongor" and merely saying "If you get caught, I can't acknowledge you." (or something along those lines).
MC basically gave no instructions as to how Silas would go about his methods.


Disagree, cause I'll say this using example from Desert Stalker once again.
Yes, that game has choices (tons of choices actually), but regardless of how player chooses in terms of actions of secondary Protagonist Shani during her content, even if her actions contradict/go against what players have chosen against her father/mentor Zaton or not, it doesn't influence Zaton's arc as the primary main character, at least in major way.

So in the end, it's gonna depend on how the dev implements choices in the future Silas content.

Honestly, seeing how some folks are upset about this makes it seem like they think Silas is undermining Eliot (Primary MC of Elleria 1) or something, when that's not even the case :HideThePain:
Hmm...I don't think using Desert Stalker is a decent example as a second protagonist example title. Shani is a devoted female and a love interest of the main character (player)...and the players choices for her events were for her survival only.

But, now seeing this title has added another character as a second protagonist character, who happens to be another dude...will most likely be seen as a potential threat / competition to any of the future or present females introduced into the story (most harem fans will not care to see Silas getting action...if that is the direction the dev is considering with that added second protaginist).

At least this is what many harem fans like me might feel seeing this type of second protag content suddenly be included in a harem stuctured title. And considering this title also recently kind of crapped on one MC's main girls of the story. I mean...many, including myself, though the elf was the main love interest in this harem story. The sweet and pretty elf who has been by MC's side for over five years, and for most of the first part of this story. And as an adult elf woman who just gave MC her V-card, something which was pointed out earlier on...was a huge deal for any elf to give to a chosen life partner. (And the story showed she was very much in love with MC, but the feeling after that scene really wasn't reciprocated by his sudden drifting away from her and becoming a dark asshole towards her. But the blonde was never treated bad like the elf.)

Instead the story suddenly flipped MC to a much darker side in general...and over a short time the story decides to start shitting on the elf, and replace her with another girl. Sure MC was written as a brooding insufferable PTSD asshole, but shortly after that sex scene with her, he became even more of a cold and heartless dick. And I'm not sure how a harem will come from that kind of MC. (But it's not my story to dictate.)

And shortly after that scene I mentioned with the elf, the developer then tells playes in the forms, who for many was and is the best girl of this story...she was just a side girl (I did a "Like WTF?" ). And to top it off then now adds a second male protagonist as DLC content. This is where it started to turn me off wanting to continue with it...
at least for now.

Though, it's good it's a players choice to be able to skip the second male protag DLC content event. I guess...at this moment this isn't an old school type harem story that I would be interested in right now (I'll check back later, as more content has been released).

Regards.
 
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I did buy it on Steam, and playing it on Steam. When I buy a "finished" game, not one on EA, I expect my work to not be completely lost mid-playthrough. I am not sure having an attitude about it is going to help here.

Also, you can add those switches in Steam as well, if you know anything about Steam.
You might want to pull the stick out, and/or stop acting like your few measly dollars are worth more than anyone else's.

Major game companies have upgraded their engine part way through development, or after release and had very significant issues at times, including save game problems.

If something this minor causes such a piss-poor attitude from you, you must have hell dealing with your day to day life.

Loosen up before you pucker your backside so much you rip the bottom out of your chair.
 

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You might want to pull the stick out, and/or stop acting like your few measly dollars are worth more than anyone else's.

Major game companies have upgraded their engine part way through development, or after release and had very significant issues at times, including save game problems.

If something this minor causes such a piss-poor attitude from you, you must have hell dealing with your day to day life.

Loosen up before you pucker your backside so much you rip the bottom out of your chair.
Whoah, hold on there. Who the fuck are you, and what the fuck are you talking about? Go fuck yourself, you're whiteknighting completely unnecessarily. I didn't shit on the game, I had a valid complaint that I expressed directly to a dev. This rollout was a fucking mess, and obviously was not planned or tested sufficiently. Are you a member of that team? If not, fuck off. Hell, if you are, fuck off.

Some douche on here complains, then yeah, they've got no skin in the game. The dev complains that the game undersold on Steam, and he's losing money and still working on it? That's sad, but it's their choice. Nobody had a gun to their head forcing them to do it. I don't think I'm too out of line saying that making me lose 12 hours of my playthrough for a release that I didn't ask for, and not for an early access game, is frustrating.

I didn't call names, I didn't curse anyone out. I did say, when confronted in a slightly harsh way, that while I understand their frustration, they should understand that of paying customers, with having unusable saves, crashes, and more bugs than the original release.

I was done, said my piece, and that was that. Now you have something to say to me? What's your fucking justification, huh? Asshole.
 

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Not a problem, and let me help you out with understanding this particular part. It seems to be unclear or confusing you perhaps.

“How will you make renders for 50 million possible outcomes?”

You misunderstood the phrase. That wasn’t literal. That’s hyperbole for the sheer scope of branching decisions, not that I’m rendering 50 million variations in DAZ one by one.

Wheel of Fate is still primarily narrative-driven, using text, flags, and dynamic outcomes. Only key events or major shifts get dedicated renders. The rest are structured like interactive books with visual transitions—just like most of Book 1.

As for this part:

“All I'd love to see is more of what is already there in Book 1"

Totally fair. And you will see that. But Book 1 had to end. What’s being built now is the result of what happened in Book 1. That means a wider lens, bigger picture, and yes, some shifts in tone. It’s not the end of what made Book 1 it’s just not only that anymore.

You mentioned War Table being more on point—and you’re right. That was the original plan. A static, clean, but it would be no-renders DLC that just set up Book 2.

But I scrapped it because it didn’t feel worthy of what was coming. I wanted something deeper, bolder, something that feels like it matters. That’s where Wheel of Fate came from. I blended two things together for more impact, which doubled my work perhaps... but more fun for those who play and like it.

So, basically, "50 million unique permutations" line in the patch notes doesn’t mean I’m rendering 50 million scenes in DAZ like a deranged machine.

It refers to the narrative structure—combinations of flags, choices, world states, and character reactions that stack over time. Most of it plays out in text and branching logic. Not everything gets a CG.

The whole point of that line was to highlight how your choices actually matter and create meaningful divergence—not to suggest I’ve built the Matrix and I'm rendering it with DAZ. Even if I wish I could!

I have to weigh what serves the overall vision vs. what pulls it backwards. War Table was tighter and smaller. It would be simple, quick, easy. But as I said... I had a question. And Wheel of Fate became the answer to a question I asked myself "what if I actually followed through on the world I built?"

I hope this helps you understand the situation on this better.
You at least could have .. completed the part one.. the battle between the masked iron man.. but for some STUPID reason you turn to your STUPID WHEEL...which is BS .. Makes no senses .. BORRING..totally fucked up
 
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Right. Typical response. Stupid because it does not tailor to what you wanted, despite me explicitly saying that the said fight will be shown and spoken about during the expansion.

Step 1. Now go rate the game 1 star.
Step 2. Find another to play and ignore this.
Step 3. Problem solved.

Or feel free to insult, rage at me, whatever. I'm out. I came here momentarily back to offer support for what was going on, but this is precisely why I walked away from here. This place is ridiculous.

No further replies or support given from me after this. Further updates leaked or not, bugs or not, decide to give a hand and get spat at by pirates. Figures.

You'd think I've learned my lesson after 2 years of online harassment, stalking, review bombarding and people here trying to dox me. :LUL: Fuck me I guess.


For anyone capable of being civilized and not being entitled little prick, feel free to write me a message. I'll give you invite to discord, and you will have support you need.


Enough chances given to this place. This time, permanently out.
 
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indio68

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No, this is not Book 2. YET.

What this is, is continuation, aka after events of Chapter 5 from Book 1. Wheel of Fate acts as a bridge between Book 1 and 2, aka the events that lead into Book 2.

This isn't a side story, it is expansion to initial story and where it ended. When that armored cunt pops about. This is set six months after that cliffhanger, and you basically continue from there.

Just that there is a lot more to it. You will also at some point through Wheel of Fate, witness the combat scene that happened and events after that when Eliot vanished after that fight.

It all ties into here. So, once again, this isn't a filler, this isn't a side story or rework. This is expansion. Wheel of Fate is a bridge between Book 1 end, and Book 2 start. You're just crusading right now till Book 2 will be produced.

So yes, this is continuation. With every new act, you'll see how things start to come together and more is revealed.


As for save files, it is highly likely they will not work given the size and scope of the update. But... read the patch notes. Look for Chapters Select in main menu, jump wherever you were, or if you already finished Book 1, then choose DLC option. It will allow you to name the character to whatever name you were using, and you can continue.

Nothing lost.
thank you very much..
 

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You created the story,,, and all of a sudden you drop off everything and make an U turn change ,,,, What did you expect?...It comes back to you .:). Mr Dev.
 

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i dont get that game, nice start and all with bios, some choises, an then .... they vanished all .The blond girl, second in the bios, only see once then nothing. Even the shadow girl gets more, but she is not in the sheets and i liked her a lot. But what is more, Lyra who have give her self to MC as her chosen one just vanishd early and that ist it, never see her again. And he dont give a fuck about that. And now we play a what, point and klick game? sanbox? tactical strategy game?

edit: i see this is some what a filler for what comes next. we have to klick trough, but it wont chance the outcome, regardles what we chose
 
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Well it looks like part 2 is totaly a new set of adventure based on what has been released. I was thinking the elf girl was going to join but looks her & the queen are not going to play any main part of the story.
The additional kingdoom or tribe menstion on the war table are going to be key part of the second part.I have been following this game for a while and I will miss the Queen & the Elf girl.
 
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You can let the start of the dlc playing on your pc while you go take a dump. Can't skip, can't click to make it go faster :WaitWhat:
 
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