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istlover08

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Brady, let me ask you a question. 9 or so months ago, Mortze had a choice to make. Would he work on Pandora 2 or The Warrior's Heart (his SW game)?

Did he make the right choice?

Follow up question: The next time he has that choice to make, should he do Pandora 2 or SW 2?

Tlaero
honestly havent played warriors heart yet so im not sure if that choice is the right one I just really liked pandora and would love to see a sequel if that the next game or the next 2 games i dont really care i would just like to see it happen
 
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botc76

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Elsa looks the way she looks because that's what Mortze finds attractive. It's fine for people to find other things attractive. Everyone has different tastes, and we expect some of them to not match ours. Just as people may not like my stories, they may not like Mortze's visuals. No avoiding that.

But it's completely incorrect to assume that women are "consistent" in their shaving practices. It's more accurate to say that people tend to "dress up" what can be seen and not what can't. Show of hands, how many of you would go to work in your pajamas, and how many of you wear slacks on a lazy Sunday morning when you're alone in your apartment?

In normal circumstances, you can see the hair on a woman's head. You can see her eyebrows. In the summer you can sometimes see her underarms. But, for the most part, you can't see how trim she is between the legs. And, if you have a lot of varied experience with seeing THAT, you're probably thinking about porn, where that hair is even more likely to be seen than the hair on her head.

I think you're letting the fake world of porn incorrectly color your view of the real world. Just like pizza delivery guys don't have sex with everyone they deliver to, and just like women don't constantly get stuck under desks with their butt hanging out, there are literally hundreds of millions of women who never trim BETWEEN their legs, but do shave their legs, do style their hair, do shave their underarms, do bathe, and do brush their teeth.

Tlaero
So, obviously this also means Elsa NEVER goes to a beach or swimming in a public pool, unless she's wearing the most conservatively cut one-piece bathing suit possible, because otherwise everyone on that beach would also see that giant "shrubbery."
Hey, I like what you guys do normally, but don't expect me to accept Mortze's hair fetish as the way women usually walk around. Yeah sure, many women might not trim their bush, but they might also not be as hairy as Elsa magically turned into between her first game and now.

It's true, we don't have to play the game, we don't have to play any game, certainly not one with fetishes we don't like and you two don't have to cater to your audience if you don't want to, but I'm sure many people like me, liked to play your previous games and feel a bit disappointed that this hair fetish is exaggerated to a level here, that it is a serious turn- off if you aren't into it.

The only other character you created with a hairy bush like here was, as far as I remember, one of the women in Pandora.

Don't worry, I won't come back to complain, I've given up on this game being something I could find enjoyable, but it's a pity that a middle-ground between creating what you like and not just aiming at a very restricted audience couldn't be found.
 

Rythan25

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Since Tlaero and maybe Mortze are in this topic, can I ask a question not loosely related to this game ?

Any chance of Keeley ever coming back ? She was probably my longest standing "Virtual girl" crush in the old days... and her universe was interesting even without all the paranormal stuff... what with the additions of Jessica, Christine, and even Keisha.
 

moskyx

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Since Tlaero and maybe Mortze are in this topic, can I ask a question not loosely related to this game ?

Any chance of Keeley ever coming back ? She was probably my longest standing "Virtual girl" crush in the old days... and her universe was interesting even without all the paranormal stuff... what with the additions of Jessica, Christine, and even Keisha.
Actually they are working on a Keeley's game following the events we could see at the end of Coming to Grips with Christine, so congrats to you ;)
 

Mortze

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So, obviously this also means Elsa NEVER goes to a beach or swimming in a public pool, unless she's wearing the most conservatively cut one-piece bathing suit possible, because otherwise everyone on that beach would also see that giant "shrubbery."
Hey, I like what you guys do normally, but don't expect me to accept Mortze's hair fetish as the way women usually walk around. Yeah sure, many women might not trim their bush, but they might also not be as hairy as Elsa magically turned into between her first game and now.

It's true, we don't have to play the game, we don't have to play any game, certainly not one with fetishes we don't like and you two don't have to cater to your audience if you don't want to, but I'm sure many people like me, liked to play your previous games and feel a bit disappointed that this hair fetish is exaggerated to a level here, that it is a serious turn- off if you aren't into it.

The only other character you created with a hairy bush like here was, as far as I remember, one of the women in Pandora.

Don't worry, I won't come back to complain, I've given up on this game being something I could find enjoyable, but it's a pity that a middle-ground between creating what you like and not just aiming at a very restricted audience couldn't be found.
botc76, it's ture that many people, like you, will feel disappointment with my choices for Elsa's pubic hair, as it's also true that many people will be really happy too. You don't like bushes, other love it. Since I can not (nor want) make games directed at individual tastes the only solution is making the models the way I like. You won't like our games for that particular reason and I'm sorry for that but there's not much I can do.

One rule a dev must learn if he wants to stay in this activity is that he must learn to hear it's audience but only when the audience speaks the same. If you say you like shaved pussies, and another player says he likes bushes what's my option? Make all the girls have trimmed pubic hair and look all the same in that area?
Women are different, and care about their pubic area visuals differently. I try to diversify in my games to reflect the reality of women. You'll find shaved ones, you'll find trimmed ones, and you'll also find ones like Elsa. And plenty in the middle. With that in mind, and since I, myself find shaved pussies repulsing (you used that strong word yourself) you won't find any main protagonist in my games with a shaved pussy. I'm entitled to make that choice and not have to justify it to anyone.

Maggie (from Pandora) is a shy inexperienced girl, who never cared to look pretty down there. Ever heard the say "If you expect visits clean your house"? That's one reason for women to shave completely down there. Other reasons might be professional reasons, sports reasons, or simply because of personal tastes but none would take the efforts (and there are efforts!) to keep it clean shaved every day. In most cases it's quite the contrary.

Elsa is not the kind of person that likes to go show her body at the beach. She's not the kind of person that wants to look clean down there in the event she might get laid that day. She never cared about looking pretty and going out meet guys. She's an introvert bookworm until the day she meets Jason and Jason accepts her the way she is, with her pubic hair. That gives her confidence to remain the way she is. And perhaps Jason also happen to like pubic hair, or even have a fetish on it.

Lastly, in a vast community of indie games where the game female protagonists are mostly very DAZ batch looking with shaved pussies I'm glad, actually proud, of marking a difference. I won't get the majority of players who prefer the aforementioned batch models behind me but I'll tend to others who can't find something they like.

You're entitled to your personal tastes, as everyone else, me included. And this answer isn't in any case a critic on your opinion or your person. You just happened to have spoken the words of many more before you and I had to write a response addressed to you and all the others.

Keep in mind that the games we make are much more than just porn. There's much work involved in the writing and neat coding behind every naked girl picture. You may not like the pubic hair of the model, or even her nipples, or tits, or face or whatever, but don't forget that we, as Tora Productions, make games with story supported by sexy pictures, not the other way around. Coming to play our games looking for a fap moment only will mostly result in disappointment because I don't make pictures specifically directed at what makes one specific person fap.

Cheers!
 
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botc76, it's ture that many people, like you, will feel disappointment with my choices for Elsa's pubic hair, as it's also true that many people will be really happy too. You don't like bushes, other love it. Since I can not (nor want) make games directed at individual tastes the only solution is making the models the way I like. You won't like our games for that particular reason and I'm sorry for that but there's not much I can do.

One rule a dev must learn if he wants to stay in this activity is that he must learn to hear it's audience but only when the audience speaks the same. If you say you like shaved pussies, and another player says he likes bushes what's my option? Make all the girls have trimmed pubic hair and look all the same in that area?
Women are different, and care about their pubic area visuals differently. I try to diversify in my games to reflect the reality of women. You'll find shaved ones, you'll find trimmed ones, and you'll also find ones like Elsa. And plenty in the middle. With that in mind, and since I, myself find shaved pussies repulsing (you used that strong word yourself) you won't find any main protagonist in my games with a shaved pussy. I'm entitled to make that choice and not have to justify it to anyone.

Maggie (from Pandora) is a shy inexperienced girl, who never cared to look pretty down there. Ever heard the say "If you expect visits clean your house"? That's one reason for women to shave completely down there. Other reasons might be professional reasons, sports reasons, or simply because of personal tastes but none would take the efforts (and there are efforts!) to keep it clean shaved every day. In most cases it's quite the contrary.

Elsa is not the kind of person that likes to go show her body at the beach. She's not the kind of person that wants to look clean down there in the event she might get laid that day. She never cared about looking pretty and going out meet guys. She's an introvert bookworm until the day she meets Jason and Jason accepts her the way she is, with her pubic hair. That gives her confidence to remain the way she is. And perhaps Jason also happen to like pubic hair, or even have a fetish on it.

Lastly, in a vast community of indie games where the game female protagonists are mostly very DAZ batch looking with shaved pussies I'm glad, actually proud, of marking a difference. I won't get the majority of players who prefer the aforementioned batch models behind me but I'll tend to others who can't find something they like.

You're entitled to your personal tastes, as everyone else, me included. And this answer isn't in any case a critic on your opinion or your person. You just happened to have spoken the words of many more before you and I had to write a response addressed to you and all the others.

Keep in mind that the games we make are much more than just porn. There's much work involved in the writing and neat coding behind every naked girl picture. You may not like the pubic hair of the model, or even her nipples, or tits, or face or whatever, but don't forget that we, as Tora Productions, make games with story supported by sexy pictures, not the other way around. Coming to play our games looking for a fap moment only will mostly result in disappointment because I don't make pictures specifically directed at what makes one specific person fap.

Cheers!
Mortze, thank you for sticking to your own beliefs. I think it's pretty ridiculous that anyone can even complain about the pubic hair in this game when there are far, FAR more Adult 3D games with shaved pussies that people can play. It is nice when an artist stays true to their own visions. Far too often we see games that start off great go to shit when the author starts letting the audience create their own vision of the game. Good on you and Tlaero for having a backbone.
 
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Tlaero

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honestly havent played warriors heart yet so im not sure if that choice is the right one I just really liked pandora and would love to see a sequel if that the next game or the next 2 games i dont really care i would just like to see it happen
You're seriously missing out. (And I can say that modestly, since I had almost nothing to do with The Warrior's Heart. :cool: ) I know that people really liked Pandora, but it was a stepping stone for Mortze to much greater things.

Tlaero
 

Tlaero

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Don't worry, I won't come back to complain, I've given up on this game being something I could find enjoyable, but it's a pity that a middle-ground between creating what you like and not just aiming at a very restricted audience couldn't be found.
BotC, your opinions are as valid as everyone else's. It's fine that you don't like the style of this story and prefer other things.

But try Ch4. Elsa's bush isn't in it...

Tlaero
 

Tlaero

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Says invite is invalid for me, did it expire?
Argh. I told Discord to make me a permanent link. Does anyone who understands Discord better than I do (which is probably, all of you...) know how to do this?

Tlaero
 

Tlaero

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All that the OG fans really want to see is another Christine game. Please make that happen!
Respect and lots of love to Mortze and Tlaero <3
Are you saying that you want a third Christine game, or do you not know about "Coming to Grips with Christine"?

If the former, hmmm. If the latter, surprise! :)

Tlaero
 

istlover08

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Argh. I told Discord to make me a permanent link. Does anyone who understands Discord better than I do (which is probably, all of you...) know how to do this?

Tlaero
did you accidentally set a max number of uses? or potentially someone deleted it
 

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Very short but I loved this one. I always liked Elsa and with each short story I like her more and more, but Jessica was the one who first got me invested so it's nice to see her again in all her rockstar glory. And I love that Sarah and Sylvia have fully embraced something different but exciting with Jess and Marc following up from the RfJ bonus scene. Sarah and Slyvia's models appear to have been updated with the rest of them so I'd love to see them in a more regular scene soon. Though faces filled with ecstasy is certainly not a complaint.

I wonder if my favorite girl Miranda will get some focus next time :love:. Keep up the great work as always you two.

It feels like there's always a new batch of discussions about the bush whenever this is updated. I get it. I'm not a big fan of bushes either. I like them if they're more or less kept under control. Jess's bush for instance, though thick, I'm fine with. Elsa's new bush is probably pushing it for me, but I'm very easy going, so it's not something I'd call a problem.

I love natural girls. I'm not a fan of makeup, if a girl uses it, I rather it be used mildly, don't like lipstick, hate nail polish, especially red, <-- this is literally almost a boner killer for me unfortunately and I'm fine with really any body type that shows me that you know how to take care of yourself. I can go extra curvy like Miranda or I can go slim like Chloe. Mortze's designs were the first designs in adult games that did everything I listed for me, which have kept me coming back ever since. I can go clean or I can go bushy, it doesn't matter. Ideally, I'd probably go with Sarah's pubic hair but I've never had a problem with the others. I still don't. Mortze has honestly made me a believer of some fetishes I wasn't accustomed to at first. The nipples, asshole, hair, all of that just come off very attractive looking to me in Mortze's art. I love it honestly.
 

moskyx

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yeaaahhh not a fan of else's pubic hair. im fine with pubic hair but this is a comically large amount of hair
You can take it comically. That's exactly what I do. To me it's like a parody and it makes me laugh. There's no need to feel disgusted or even attacked by a large bush on a 3d model (nor in a real woman, FWIW) even if your (and mine) personal tastes are completely different to Mortze's.
 

Avaron1974

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So, obviously this also means Elsa NEVER goes to a beach or swimming in a public pool,
It was made pretty clear that Elsa was a shut in that never left her book shop unless necessary and doesn't go to the beach or public pools.
 

syh653

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You're seriously missing out. (And I can say that modestly, since I had almost nothing to do with The Warrior's Heart. :cool: ) I know that people really liked Pandora, but it was a stepping stone for Mortze to much greater things.

Tlaero
I downloaded it almost two months ago AND HADN'T PLAYED IT YET?! This will not do!

*scurries away*

Mortze, I'm three(?) pages in and I am still awestruck by the UI & the title screen. :geek:

Elsa side note: I love the development. She's more confident, more experienced, more...of her. And freckled!


Are you saying that you want a third Christine game, or do you not know about "Coming to Grips with Christine"?

If the former, hmmm. If the latter, surprise! :)

Tlaero
Or maybe Miranda? :sneaky: Or Keeley? She's the OG and was my introduction to the Tlaero-verse.

Yep, fanboying hard here.
 
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