WzS

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I'm on the Siren path, as that is what should be my yam. But....


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TL;DR:

Siren route is basically the sub route with some slight deviation in some minor textual responses, MC does not act like a dom in any way. All the renders make MC look completely timid and uncertain. MC also doesn't TRY to act like a dom in any way. If she tried, but did it poorly then I'd have muuuuuuch less reason to be annoyed.

The siren route feels completely tacked on in its current form. Honestly I just want to play as the dom cop instead of MC.

All in all I'm glad I only supported for the release and shan't be doing that again.
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Dessolos

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Could someone upload the game please?
or you can pay for it or just wait like everyone else on this site. Why should a game leak day 1 I personally hate it when that happens. I know this is a pirate site and all that but I do think most dev don't deserve their game to be leaked at the higher tiers if it has to be leaked at all.
 

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For me personally I would say Having a Hard Time because its a perfect mix of comedy and some deep emotional sad moments and I also love the fact that the dev gives the player all the freedom to mold the MC in any way they want, you can be silly, serious or dom or sub what ever you feel like it the game respects your choice even if you pick the most silly options for the MC to say also the game has some S tier animations.

One thing I do love about the MC of Having a Hard Time is she knows how to throw down she knows how to fight not just physically but also verbally doesnt let people walk over her unless you want to.
Nah that's basically just a dude replaced by a futa as the MC, everything else is identical to your common adult VNs with a school setting like Being a Dik... This game actually revolves around the concept of futas and has a world built on top of it. You may say HAHT is a better written VN, but it hardly qualifies as an actual futa game.
 

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Wait what? so siren route is basically a scam. What a disappointment and here I was hoping to turn the table on some characters. From the pool I see that still 34% which isn't anything voted siren. If he continues that way he'll prbbly lose a lot of them. And here I was like a dumb a$$ praising the dev/s for trying to satisfy all teams...

I kinda feel betrayed, especially with all the hype that's been building up for this update maaaan





THX
 

JM24

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Still a Futa MC don't know how that isn't comparable since the main character is a Futa. I don't think it matters what kind of Futa content there is as long as the main focus is on at least 1 Futa character. Plus it seems to be a story about growth and alot of characters going through some emotional issues just like EI
Coz Futas are imaginary. To be a futa game you need actual world-building, either to explain how they come into existence, or give a detailed description of what the different social norms are in a world where futas exist as-is. In HHT it's just a girl who grows a dick in a lab accident and that's it. You can replace her literally with a dude and it makes absolutely no difference to the plot.
 

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Wait what? so siren route is basically a scam. What a disappointment and here I was hoping to turn the table on some characters. From the pool I see that still 34% which isn't anything voted siren. If he continues that way he'll prbbly lose a lot of them. And here I was like a dumb a$$ praising the dev/s for trying to satisfy all teams...

I kinda feel betrayed, especially with all the hype that's been building up for this update maaaan





THX
Ashe has been more timid from the start so maybe it's going to be a bit of a slower build up to them being dominant
 

JM24

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To those complaining about the Siren path: you realize Ashe is naturally a shy and timid person right? How can a person so timid and shy and lacking confidence for 20 years suddenly become a hot queen domme? What are you expecting to see? Yes she chooses the Siren path, and she will not back down every time like she used to, or she will try to take the initiative more. But that doesn't mean she all of a sudden changes her demeanor completely, unless she has a dual personality all this time. She's still lacking experience in the sex department, so why would her all of a sudden become a master in bed?
 

Dessolos

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You can replace her literally with a dude and it makes absolutely no difference to the plot.
I disagree with this because of the premise of the story
Coz Futas are imaginary. To be a futa game you need actual world-building, either to explain how they come into existence, or give a detailed description of what the different social norms are in a world where futas exist as-is. In HHT it's just a girl who grows a dick in a lab accident and that's it. You can replace her literally with a dude and it makes absolutely no difference to the plot.
Agree to Disagree for me personally it makes no different if there is world building , lore etc as long as the futa character is the main plot point / storyline of said game I see it as a Futa game. But this is coming from someone that has never really stepped foot into the whole Futa genre outside of this game and 1 other. So my personal point of view might be skewed.
 

JM24

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I disagree with this because of the premise of the story

Agree to Disagree for me personally it makes no different if there is world building , lore etc as long as the futa character is the main plot point / storyline of said game I see it as a Futa game. But this is coming from someone that has never really stepped foot into the whole Futa genre outside of this game and 1 other. So my personal point of view might be skewed.
If that's the case I recommend Futa Dom World. Probably one of the best if not the best in terms of futa realism and lore. But perhaps you are not totally into this genre so I respect your opinion, agree to disagree.
 
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Nah that's basically just a dude replaced by a futa as the MC, everything else is identical to your common adult VNs with a school setting like Being a Dik... This game actually revolves around the concept of futas and has a world built on top of it. You may say HAHT is a better written VN, but it hardly qualifies as an actual futa game.
That seems a bit reductionist, no need to look for the 5 legs to the cat, if the character was female or male or whatever and now is a woman with both reproductive organs, it qualifies as Futanari.

Ashe has been more timid from the start so maybe it's going to be a bit of a slower build up to them being dominant
I agree, I think we're being too fatalistic, it's normal to think that such a big change in his personality is something that takes time, at least we have to see 1 or 2 more updates to see how it develops.
 

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To those complaining about the Siren path: you realize Ashe is naturally a shy and timid person right? How can a person so timid and shy and lacking confidence for 20 years suddenly become a hot queen domme? What are you expecting to see? Yes she chooses the Siren path, and she will not back down every time like she used to, or she will try to take the initiative more. But that doesn't mean she all of a sudden changes her demeanor completely, unless she has a dual personality all this time. She's still lacking experience in the sex department, so why would her all of a sudden become a master in bed?
That is a clumsy at best evasion of the point.

What I think people are taking issue with is the blackmail nonsense being some hentai b movie plot pile of nonsense and it being played along with, here is something then even a shy doormat can do, rationally explain a situation to an employer to remove themselves from the equation, them essentially just being a stuttering doormat and more awkward then commanding and no real improvement or distinction from other paths.

Ultimately yeah I do agree with the consensus that this was a letdown update for the Siren path and is rightfully being called out as way too similar to other routes, there isn't even really any building blocks to indicate major personality or dynamic shifts are incoming. At best if we buy your logic she might be a dom by the game's conclusion or epilogue and again rightfully so I think, plenty of people don't want to wait that long.
 

JM24

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That seems a bit reductionist, there's no need to split hairs, if the character was a woman or a man or whatever and is now a woman with both reproductive organs, she qualifies as Futanari.
Well yeah, she definitely qualifies as a Futa, that's for sure. But my point is as a game it lacks the essential elements to completely fit in the futa genre (see my comments above). But as an adult VN it is very enjoyable so.
 

JM24

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That is a clumsy at best evasion of the point.

What I think people are taking issue with is the blackmail nonsense being some hentai b movie plot pile of nonsense and it being played along with, here is something then even a shy doormat can do, rationally explain a situation to an employer to remove themselves from the equation, them essentially just being a stuttering doormat and more awkward then commanding and no real improvement or distinction from other paths.

Ultimately yeah I do agree with the consensus that this was a letdown update for the Siren path and is rightfully being called out as way too similar to other routes, there isn't even really any building blocks to indicate major personality or dynamic shifts are incoming. At best if we buy your logic she might be a dom by the game's conclusion or epilogue and again rightfully so I think, plenty of people don't want to wait that long.
True, the blackmail thing does need to be resolved as soon as possible. That I agree. But if you look at some of the comments you'll find some people are complaining about how clumsy Ashe still is in sex. That is simply uncalled for given the reasons I just stated.
 

Lord Kentus

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True, the blackmail thing does need to be resolved as soon as possible. That I agree. But if you look at some of the comments you'll find some people are complaining about how clumsy Ashe still is in sex. That is simply uncalled for given the reasons I just stated.
Ehh, I do agree with them to a lesser degree of her not even attempting to be more assertive or driven for personal pleasure but I admit it is the least of my personal gripes but even in that arena I can see where the ball was fumbled.
 
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Based on that poll I don't think that's the primary reason. Siren route is the 2nd most popular option, with a smaller discrepancy than with the 3rd option.

I think it's more likely that the dev themselves prefer the kitten route, and are using that as the main approach to the entire game. It reads like they're trying to branch everything off of that route. Which just doesn't really work when the MCs behaviour needs to be very different to be believable.

Right now it just isn't working for the siren route. Really was hoping for more after seeing the screen choice, it was a "oh thank fuck" moment for me. After this update it's more of a "I got baited" feeling.

It would need some massive script flipping in the next episode or two for the siren route to make sense. As the trigger for MCs behaviour clearly isn't the actual route choice. Or it was and the dev just couldn't work it into the script.
 
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