Ehh, I do agree with them to a lesser degree of her not even attempting to be more assertive or driven for personal pleasure but I admit it is the least of my personal gripes but even in that arena I can see where the ball was fumbled.
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Based on that poll I don't think that's the primary reason. Siren route is the 2nd most popular option, with a smaller discrepancy than with the 3rd option.
I think it's more likely that the dev themselves prefer the kitten route, and are using that as the main approach to the entire game. It reads like they're trying to branch everything off of that route. Which just doesn't really work when the MCs behaviour needs to be very different to be believable.
Right now it just isn't working for the siren route. Really was hoping for more after seeing the screen choice, it was a "oh thank fuck" moment for me. After this update it's more of a "I got baited" feeling.
It would need some massive script flipping in the next episode or two for the siren route to make sense. As the trigger for MCs behaviour clearly isn't the actual route choice. Or it was and the dev just couldn't work it into the script.
I been hearing people say that in the siren route ashe is still timed i am also a siren path player and I am someone who wanting for the game to leaked or be released on schedule. I think alot people forgot that the dev has said in a past post that the changes to ashes personality on each path will not be Instantaneously it will be over the course of the story so i have all the time in the world. Plus MorriganRae actually is one of the devs who listens to feedback.
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The point that the dev seemed to be making in the last episode was that the choice was a pivotal moment for Ashe, that it would be the catalyst for character change. Based on this episode it clearly wasn't. Ashe behaves completely the same no matter the route you choose. It is only some minor choices you can make and dialogue options here and there.
The problem isn't that she's shy and timid, the problem is that she doesn't attempt to change. The change shouldn't be immediate, however like with everything in life she should be trying, stumbling, falling and failing. It is with rebuilding herself from those failures that she would be changing. She doesn't try, she makes no attempts. She doesn't reflect upon her actions differently based on the path. The siren path cannot coexist with the kitten/cuckqueen paths. It needs to branch off fully.
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Mostly agree with you.
The blackmail should be a great opportunity for the dev to differentiate the paths, they unfortunately just do not.
Same with the later scene with the best friend, good opportunity to seize control. Instead we are forced to take it up the pussy
Offering options for a division of paths looks like a mistake then. You wouldn't be complaining if there aren't paths to choose. For me Ashe looks perfectly natural character development-wise as is.
Regarding the blackmail, I believe the identity of the blackmailer will be revealed in the next update.
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Well I understand that but from spoilers I read the siren path is basically the same asothers except for some dialogues that were changed. WHich shouldn't be possible since the siren path in its essence should be "dom" path completelyt opposite to a cuck/sub path. AT least that's how I understood it.
From the spoilers it didn't seem like they felt that Ashe was putting in effort to change. Apart from that I'm beginning to think that the time for an update that has 3 different paths might be a lot longer than what we waited for now.
I mean, to change you kinda have to dive if you don't you won't. PLus we alrdy brang her out of her shell in the recent updates. Like for exemple when she raged at her sister's friend or told blondie that she didn't like being used that way...
You can't argue the fact that us siren path players were a bit abandoned for this update.
I mean look how excited I felt lol :
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I am eager to see the dev's response. Hopefully he will visit the forum soon.
I actually agree with this point.
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Yep same here, he'll most prbbly visit when the public release is out.
Man I'm feeling emptiness lol. I was suuuuuuuper hyped to play that path with Ash bc let's be honest between you and me. Setting my preference aside, given her character it's the most interesting one lol. It's the one you wouldn't expect but still kinda makes sense as she's had enough always being the victim.
Don't tell me you weren't wondering or hoping if we could get the cop to be a sub for us lol.
Or even that b$tch friend of her twin lol.
Or even simpler things like taking initiatives like for exemple inviting blondie on a date, teasing others purposefully...
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I wouldn’t be playing if this was just the kitty route (let alone cuckqueen).
It‘s the promise of the siren route that got me excited for this game. I would’ve dropped it after ep.4 otherwise. The kitten option just isn’t for me. And I’m perfectly fine with that.
The promise of the path was broken one episode later. There is no growth, Ashe still acts completely timid, she expresses herself timidly and her expressions are timid. There is no bad bitch Ashe and she isn’t in the making.
About the blackmailer
I think Delilah is a complete red herring and the ??? Character at the end likely is as well. I expect Mrs. X is actually someone much closer to Ashe.
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Yeah that mirrors how I felt after last episode too. Granted there were a few moments of frustration I had prior to that. Like going back to the same spot you already got caught at by <character-I’d-rather-play>, like how stupid is the MC. Not only does she go back she drags in someone else as well. Pure retardation.
It’s situations like that which are a bit too forced. The dev wants something to happen, so Ashe has to make a stupid decision. And the player has no agency to make that mistake themselves.
This is repeated in this episode with
- Ashe gets a vibe in the mail and just sticks it in, zero player choice.
- Ashe has her BFF over, Ashe gets fucked in the pussy it’s not even a choice of getting fucked in the pussy or nothing. Straight up penetration with 0 input from the player.
- Ashe doesn’t even try anything with the random influencer just lets her be a cunt to her and her date. 0 input from the player.
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This sounds like its going the opposite direction that Having a Hard Time went, in Having a Hard Time the dev gives the player complete freedom to choose everything and when I mean everything I mean almost everything from what they say, how they behave, who they bang or what path they want to take the only thing the players has no control of are the main story plotlines that need to happen so the story can go forward.
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If you want to be a full on dom that makes girls call her mommy or queen then go ahead or if you are in to full sub you can also choose to be full sub and let others decide for you, hell you can even mix and match sometimes dom other times sub
Another example is in one part of the story a bully starts making fun of the MC trying to pick on her, well the game gives you options for it too for example you can beat the shit out of her or you can just stay quiet and avoid fighting her its your choice.
You can also choose what the MC replies when someone asks her a question or something for example there is one part where the MC is at a café with a friend and the waitress comes and askes her what they want to drink, well you can choose coffee, soda, tea or even just straight up say Titty Milk just for shits and giggles, you can make the MC the cool confident girl, the shy timid girl or even sort of a class clown that jokes around too much its the players choice.
There are so many examples of the dev giving the player absolute freedom to mold the MC to their liking and while I normally do not like to compare AVN with each other it just seems like Eruption Imminent went the complete opposite direction not respecting the players freedom of letting them choose what they want or how they want MC to respond.
Also what was the whole point of the Paths I ask myself? if the only true choices are being full sub, a cuck or the Siren which is just another disguised sub route. I was so hyped for this new update because I was really interested in the idea of Siren changing Ashe seeing her more confident and dominant.
I think most of us are not asking for Ashe to go full Alpha out of nowhere or out of character and start banging every girl there is. Rather I think what most of us wanted to see is at least to see her take the first steps toward being more confident and less shy even if they are baby steps to at least make an effort.
But from the sounds of it she doesnt even try so it sounds to me that its either just sub or cuck and nothing else, what a shame really this one has potential but man what a fumble I will give it an update or two more if it doesnt get any better I'm dropping it I am just not interested in playing sub much less the cuck route which is even worse.
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This is what I assumed the dev was going to do with this game. Dom - Sub - Cuck routes. With some minor overlap. Especially in the latter two.
This was what I assumed this dev intended for their routes as well. But with a more hard locked system, as that is essentially what the 3 doors in the Chapter before were about. Due to the choices I had made only the siren door was selectable.
So far siren is more a switch route to be fair. You timidly fuck Lexi, you let your BFF fuck you. You just don’t let the cop dominate you, but you let the fucking blackmailer turn you into a little submissive bitch.
Exactly, I don’t expect Ashe to turn into the cop overnight. I do expect her to not be room temperature IQ (I’ll let you decide the scale). And I expected player agency.
First logical step for her would be for example to try and emulate the cop, but failing miserably. Which could turn the cop visit into something useful on the Siren route. Where perhaps Ashe could ask for guidance from the cop. Just to spitball an option that would make sense. Honestly it makes very little sense that Ashe turns down the cop after the events of last episode, but goes along with the anonymous blackmailer. The 2m tall cop is far more intimidating and has you dead to rights with actual drugs. Not to mention it’s not just Ashe who she has under her thumb. That cop should be far more of a nightmare to her than the blackmailer.
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Bear in mind that I've only played through 0.4, although I'm looking forward to the new release, but this seems like a common theme that I've seen in several games, in that it at least FEELS like the writers of these games either cater FAR more to the sub crowd, or, they are just more of a sub themselves so they know how to write that route better and thus focus on it more, or maybe even a combination of the two. I don't know; I'm just speculating based on an observation as a predominantly dominant path player myself. I'm looking forward to seeing what the next update has in store. I just played through the game for the first time a few weeks ago and I really, really liked it. I ended up with the only option as the siren path as well, and I'm interested to see how that plays out.
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Funny thing is im probably as far as you can get from being a dominant person yet Siren is what I also got on my first playthrough. Tho that is mostly cause I hated the cop and didn't put up with her shit.
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Literally the game has been like this from the beginning, small variations in the dialogues but essentially a single path but choosing how to behave in each situation, which makes me wonder why it then became dramatic at the end with the choice of paths if it was going to be the same, it could have simply continued as until now.
Hey, I just have one question, you can spoiler it too, but do you know if I can do anything with lexi on the kitten path or is she locked to siren path. If you haven't played that path, I understand, just wondering if I can pursue her on the kitten path too, thanks.
Once the game is Released or leaked i will see how i feel about the siren path but from what i been seeing from the comments MorriganRae is probably going the slowly become more dom route or the poke the bear route where you push ashe buttons too much and she finally had enough tho i hope she Address and see's the comments about the siren path inorder for her improve it for the next update.But for now i am still going to play because like i said in my previous post MorriganRae has said on all three path ashe's development will be over the course of the story.
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