I don't know what to tell you if you aren't reading it from her implicitly. She's obviously got it pretty bad for her though. If nothing else she wouldn't have even been as bothered as she was if Ashe wasn't right about her feelings the next morning.
Obviously?
There's no obviously about this. As I said, initiating something when you're
hammered isn't indicative of anything other than being inebriated and moving on impulse, there has been no indication that she's somehow so down bad that she would pounce on her at any given second to somehow imply that she had to fuck Ashe up and disappear.
Mommysbuttslut said:
She hoped that a year away would've let both of their feelings cool off. She didn't go zero contact because then she'd have to explain it to Evelyn but she did her best to limit contact while nobody else was around. When they were alone she brushed off any attempt from Ashe to talk about it. She went about as low contact as she could without making it weird for everyone else around her.
That goes against what you're trying to imply,
if she is aware that she has such abysmal self-control that she had to destroy Ashe to get away, then she obviously knows that putting herself in the same situation will just lead to the same result yet again. If Rachel had any respect for Ashe, she never would have re-initated contact, this just paints her in the light of knowing that she did tremendously wrong by Ashe but then decides to just repeat the process and disrespecting her further by ignoring Ashe's attempts at a conversation.
Like, you do realize how this is just horrendous behaviour? There is no justification for this shit.
Mommysbuttslut said:
Lol I don't give a shit about defending her or not. I'm not some white knight who needs to come to the fair maiden's rescue, I'm just pointing out that she's not as bad as your initial statement made her out to be. To be honest from what you said earlier I get the feeling that you're viewing her through the lens of your own trauma rather than the lens of Ashe's. In that case there's no way to change your mind about her and even if there was I honestly couldn't have cared to from my first response.
Buddy, genuinely speaking, if you didn't care then you wouldn't post three posts with entire paragraphs about it. Arguing about something is caring about something whether you want it to be or not.
And you're right, if your statements are correct then she's actually
worse than what I had imagined in that case. I'm also not sure what type of reality that you live in, but getting betrayed by your only fixed point in life that you could depend upon that also happens to be your
literal family isn't exactly something that requires trauma to get annoyed with, and then have her show up acting like nothing happened on top of that.
What Rachel did to Ashe is unbelievably disrespectful and toxic.
I think this one thing where Rachel effectively destroyed Ashe's life, shattered her confidence and probably gave those anxiety issues where she thought she is less because of something Rachel initiated that day in the park, drunk of course, as pointed by you is completely true and I agree with it. And thing is even hammered when Rachel went to sleep, Ashe kept her senses and didn't proceed with anything because that would be violating, but instead of understanding the situation, Rachel went off on Ashe like she was responsible for it and said hurtful words, completely cut off contact for a year, ignored her after coming and instead its Ashe who had to put in effort at start. Your point is completely valid.
Yeah I've had a few lengthy discussions in this thread about this very subject, but somehow there are a lot of people who are vehemently defending Rachel as having done the right thing and not having done anything wrong, almost to the point of implying that Ashe was the one doing wrong by Rachel, to certain individuals I've argued with in the past.
I personally cannot fathom this stance, even though I'm usually able to view things from different perspectives, but people have hills to die upon it seems.
