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Doesn't that count as NTR? Ashe wants those women (especially Mom and sis), someone else gets them, it hurts and humiliates Ashe (while also making her horny). I thought that was the cocktail NTR fans are after.
I think it depends on who you ask. For me I need there to be some kind of romantic relationship beforehand . Doesn't have to be girlfriend or boyfriend status but have some dates and romantic moments where it feels like it's leading to something serious. So in the context of this game I would only feel this way for maybe Vanessa so far no one else just yet.

As well as it depends on how such a player plays a game I don't play as a MC or FMC but a spectator / viewer so I feel less of an impact unless I personally start to feel alot for a LI. So far I personally felt nothing for any of these "NTR" scenes. Not just that I think the NTR path is the worst path and it's worst than actual NTR / NTS games at least the ones ive played so far. To me it just felt like the characters personality changed all of sudden for no reason and turned super slut. So because of that it's hard to take the NTR path seriously I just see it as one big joke of a path and I just play it for a laugh at how ridiculous it is.

Also I don't think NTR has to include humiliation 100% of the time , either. It could just be being cheated on. So while yeah there is a definition I think it really depends on a player's view point more than the definition it's self. For example I don't consider cuckhold a sub category of NTR just letting your LI sleep with other men for me cuckhold is what needs to have humiliation and maybe some femdom elements as well. While many would see it as just letting your girl sleep with another man while you watch. So because of that I feel player point of view matters alot more than the actual definition depending on what you talking about and NTR is something that falls in that category for me.
 

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Doesn't that count as NTR? Ashe wants those women (especially Mom and sis), someone else gets them, it hurts and humiliates Ashe (while also making her horny). I thought that was the cocktail NTR fans are after.
Exactly that, that is the feeling NTR fans are looking after I think at least for netorare, for netorase I guess is the enjoyment of sharing your loved one but both those forms give me a knot in the stomach :LOL: and it is ok for who enjoy it, I will always respect everyone kinks as weird it seems to me, diversity is good and for who don't enjoy it like myself it is completely avoidable. The only NTR that I'm able to handle and if the character cheated/cucked is a very horrible person and deserves it is Netori but it is always better if we have the choice too.

I had a cuckquean save ready since I made a alternate playthrough to have the 3 paths open (my main playthrough only open the "dominant" to be path since Ashe have a natural submissive/insecure personality) but once it started the first cuck scene I deleted it right away and only play the other 2 paths hehe.
 
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I think it depends on who you ask. For me I need there to be some kind of romantic relationship beforehand . Doesn't have to be girlfriend or boyfriend status but have some dates and romantic moments where it feels like it's leading to something serious. So in the context of this game I would only feel this way for maybe Vanessa so far no one else just yet.

As well as it depends on how such a player plays a game I don't play as a MC or FMC but a spectator / viewer so I feel less of an impact unless I personally start to feel alot for a LI. So far I personally felt nothing for any of these "NTR" scenes. Not just that I think the NTR path is the worst path and it's worst than actual NTR / NTS games at least the ones ive played so far. To me it just felt like the characters personality changed all of sudden for no reason and turned super slut. So because of that it's hard to take the NTR path seriously I just see it as one big joke of a path and I just play it for a laugh at how ridiculous it is.

Also I don't think NTR has to include humiliation 100% of the time , either. It could just be being cheated on. So while yeah there is a definition I think it really depends on a player's view point more than the definition it's self. For example I don't consider cuckhold a sub category of NTR just letting your LI sleep with other men for me cuckhold is what needs to have humiliation and maybe some femdom elements as well. While many would see it as just letting your girl sleep with another man while you watch. So because of that I feel player point of view matters alot more than the actual definition depending on what you talking about and NTR is something that falls in that category for me.
It's not my cup of tea, but I know there are games/stories centred around an MC's mother or sister, like 'my bully is fucking my mom' and they very much seem focused on humiliation and rubbing the MC's face in it.

In this particular case I'd say it counts because Ashe has a crush on all of the women, Mom, sister, Lexi, even Zoe, and has to see (or infer, in Rachel's case) that someone else is getting them when Ashe isn't.

But, I'm not an NTR/cuckhold scholar, so I'll leave it there.
 

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It's not my cup of tea, but I know there are games/stories centred around an MC's mother or sister, like 'my bully is fucking my mom' and they very much seem focused on humiliation and rubbing the MC's face in it.

In this particular case I'd say it counts because Ashe has a crush on all of the women, Mom, sister, Lexi, even Zoe, and has to see (or infer, in Rachel's case) that someone else is getting them when Ashe isn't.

But, I'm not an NTR/cuckhold scholar, so I'll leave it there.
yeah I mean I do get why you would say it counts for sure and probably would for alot of people too. it's kind of why I think it matters on how one plays these games and their point of view. I just don't feel the same way but im more into sharing than NTR anyways , ive always found incest relationships weird in NTR / NTS type of games anyways.

But yeah I didn't intent to make this a NTR talk so i'll stop after this post as well. I just figured id share my personal thought on it since you asked.
 

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I think it depends on who you ask. For me I need there to be some kind of romantic relationship beforehand . Doesn't have to be girlfriend or boyfriend status but have some dates and romantic moments where it feels like it's leading to something serious. So in the context of this game I would only feel this way for maybe Vanessa so far no one else just yet.
Yep depends on who you ask, for me in this games is any potential LI with a character that isn't one or any "male" that in this game is the futas (my character is the only dick allowed lol), I'm ok if is with the females since I enjoy watching lesbian scenes. For more "extreme" non ntr players is any other character, doesn't matter who. So yeah it always depend on who you ask and the view they have about it and that is why this is an old old very old discussion that never goes nowhere hehehe no one ever will completely agree with each other. I try to respect any other view as long they respect mine.
 
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Doesn't that count as NTR? Ashe wants those women (especially Mom and sis), someone else gets them, it hurts and humiliates Ashe (while also making her horny). I thought that was the cocktail NTR fans are after.
As an NTR fan...Yup this is it, also Fiona might be on a relationship with Ashe depending on your choices and would also be cheating in that scenario. Its pretty simple to understand dont know how people dont get it lol
 
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As an NTR fan...Yup this is it, also Fiona might be on a relationship with Ashe depending on your choices and would also be cheating in that scenario. Its pretty simple to understand dont know how people dont get it lol
Yep, I don't even understand where is the doubt. There is even a netorare tag along with the title on top of the page lol.
 

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Yep, I don't even understand where is the doubt. There is even a netorare tag along with the title on top of the page lol.
I think the missing ingredient for Dessolos is betrayal. No one is betraying Ashe in EI, except Rachel a bit. But that's more the lying than the fucking around, because there was no commitment.

It seems to me that there are a lot of flavours under the wider NTR umbrella, and how one reacts to them is very subjective.
 
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I think the missing ingredient for Dessolos is betrayal. No one is betraying Ashe in EI, except Rachel a bit. But that's more the lying than the fucking around, because there was no commitment.

It seems to me that there are a lot of flavours under the wider NTR umbrella, and how one reacts to them is very subjective.
Yep I get it and I also have a looser view of it, for example the lesbian scenes without my consent that is ok to me, for me doesn't give the "knot on the stomach" I mentioned before but I understand that for many still is and it is under the original term and is better that people are aware of it with the tag, just was better that the tag said optional also but I guess it is just too much work for the way the forum is set. But in the OP is always better to say optional like this one have, if not it can make plenty of people not even consider a game as good as this one.
 
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thats a summers gone reference , or a fecking big coincidence
MorriganRae ?


ashe "I guess you're more like... the rebellious kind of rich kid..."
vanessa "Uh-huh..."

ashe "You probably do like... illegal street races at night or something."
vanessa "Racing?"
ashe "Yeah. You have a fancy ass car already... seems like you'd be some kind of thrill seeker... spending money on fast cars..."

vanessa "Hah."
vanessa "You're insane."
ashe "What, I'm wrong?"

vanessa "Of course you're wrong. Seriously, street racing? Who the fuck does that?"
ashe "Hm. As I said... rebellious rich kids with suicidal tendencies..."
 
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Hey everyone
Time for the weekly report! Here's the progress:
  • Writing: 100%
  • Coding: 90%
  • Environments: 75%
  • New Characters: 7/7
  • Background Characters: 18/40
  • Renders: 8%
    • Part 1 (9:00pm): 280/720
    • Part 2 (10:00pm): 0/360
    • Part 3 (11:00pm): 0/550
    • Part 4 (12:30am): 0/750
    • Part 5 (2:00am): 0/500
    • Part 6 (3:00am): 0/600
  • Music/Sound: 0%
  • Testing/Polish: 0%
Release date estimate: June/July 2025
I had some issues with some of the down-sizing techniques for the background characters. This stuff brings a whole new slew of "exciting" DAZ bugs with it, but I managed to work around it for the most part. It's pretty much "learn as I go" with this episode in particular. Something that I'm not too happy with yet, is performance during scene setup. For some reason, certain background characters slow down the whole program, and it takes way too long to save scenes. I'll continue experimenting so I can speed up development eventually. Despite these lingering issues, I'm very happy with the end result . Seeing plenty of characters in the background feels a lot more immersive than an empty house.
Not much else to report for now. I'll try to make some time for bonus renders soon, y'all had to wait a lot for those recently. And a poll for Gold members is coming too.

❤ Enjoy your weekend! Thank you for your support! ❤
 

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thats a summers gone reference , or a fecking big coincidence
MorriganRae ?


ashe "I guess you're more like... the rebellious kind of rich kid..."
vanessa "Uh-huh..."

ashe "You probably do like... illegal street races at night or something."
vanessa "Racing?"
ashe "Yeah. You have a fancy ass car already... seems like you'd be some kind of thrill seeker... spending money on fast cars..."

vanessa "Hah."
vanessa "You're insane."
ashe "What, I'm wrong?"

vanessa "Of course you're wrong. Seriously, street racing? Who the fuck does that?"
ashe "Hm. As I said... rebellious rich kids with suicidal tendencies..."
I also think it's the case.
There are some similitude between Bella and Vanessa, and would be surprised if they are just coincidental.
 
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