Kodek

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A lot of fetishes are stupid. To name a popular one, harem is pretty stupid too. How can you believe multiple women are ok to share one guy. At best it's only temporary agreement but with the expectation to become his only bitch wife
That's the selfish harem type. I much more prefer the harem that has one person as the center but is very independent between itself. It works with or without that person being involved directly, like the harem in The Last Sovereign.
Also, harem is usually the fetish where you think of you as the person being served by so many woman/man/futa/'whatever the shit you want to serve you' and being the center of their complete attention and devotion, and yes I do dislike this type of harem A LOT. I'm not much for harem in any shape, I like freedom so I would be more for a poliamory type of relationship with multiple people, like they all like each other and want to fuck each other.

But I digress. What I actually meant with NTR being stupid is that it's over complicated as a fetish. Harem is simple, futa is simple, voyeur is simple, MILF is simple, Sadomaso is simple and even stuff like scat and watersports are simple.
NTR though... it needs so much stuff for it to works as fetish that it just make the whole thing stupid and pretty unworkable. If you take one of the many variables it turns into another fetish that is way more simple and approachable.
It's why I see so many of the NTR enthusiasts to be annoying, they can't see a girl talking to a guy that is not the MC that their brain immendiately goes "SLUT! THAT'S NTR!". I don't kinkshame people no matter what, but I can't help thinking "Really dude?"
 

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That's the selfish harem type. I much more prefer the harem that has one person as the center but is very independent between itself. It works with or without that person being involved directly, like the harem in The Last Sovereign.
Also, harem is usually the fetish where you think of you as the person being served by so many woman/man/futa/'whatever the shit you want to serve you' and being the center of their complete attention and devotion, and yes I do dislike this type of harem A LOT. I'm not much for harem in any shape, I like freedom so I would be more for a poliamory type of relationship with multiple people, like they all like each other and want to fuck each other.

But I digress. What I actually meant with NTR being stupid is that it's over complicated as a fetish. Harem is simple, futa is simple, voyeur is simple, MILF is simple, Sadomaso is simple and even stuff like scat and watersports are simple.
NTR though... it needs so much stuff for it to works as fetish that it just make the whole thing stupid and pretty unworkable. If you take one of the many variables it turns into another fetish that is way more simple and approachable.
It's why I see so many of the NTR enthusiasts to be annoying, they can't see a girl talking to a guy that is not the MC that their brain immendiately goes "SLUT! THAT'S NTR!". I don't kinkshame people no matter what, but I can't help thinking "Really dude?"
Not really a ntr guy myself, but cuckoldry seems straightforward enough to me. Also, every harem is selfish.
 

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Not really a ntr guy myself, but cuckoldry seems straightforward enough to me. Also, every harem is selfish.
I would argue that harems are, in principle, self-serving and not selfish. This may sound like the same shit, but I believe that just because one will form a harem just to get off, it does not mean it needs to be ONLY about that one person. Hence why I categorize the harem between selfish and not.
 
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I would argue that harems are, in principle, self-serving and not selfish. This may sound like the same shit, but I believe that just because one will form a harem just to get off, it does not mean it needs to be ONLY about that one person. Hence why I categorize the harem between selfish and not.
It would be an interesting thought expriment to have a protagonist be a part of a harem that is not theirs but someone else's.

And yes, the best harems are usually the ones that still retain other harem members' characterization while giving them different dynamics (familial bond, love or even enmity). Harems that suck are the ones that strips the characters of their personality and turns them into fuckdolls basically.
 
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It would be an interesting thought expriment to have a protagonist be a part of a harem that is not theirs but someone else's.

And yes, the best harems are usually the ones that still retain other harem members' characterization while giving them different dynamics (familial bond, love or even enmity). Harems that suck are the ones that strips the characters of their personality and turns them into fuckdolls basically.
Having a protagonist being part of harem would trigger the NTR-goonners so I don't know if it would properly work, but I do like the idea a lot.

And that's exactly what I mean by my type of harem, one that does have a person in ther center, but all the member actually enjoy each other's companies in and outside of the harem environment.
 
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Having a protagonist being part of harem would trigger the NTR-goonners so I don't know if it would properly work, but I do like the idea a lot.
I don't see how this will trigger me as a "NTR-goonner" :D but I definitely can see how it may triggers "anti-NTR gang" for sure.
Protagonist as a part of harem seems very hot to me! :love:
 

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Random question, since Ashe gave Officer Natasha a blowjob and she paid her, do you think Ashe earned the Whore label? Or does she need to do it more times to earn that title?

I think at the very least she earned the title of honorary whore.
 

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Random question, since Ashe gave Officer Natasha a blowjob and she paid her, do you think Ashe earned the Whore label? Or does she need to do it more times to earn that title?

I think at the very least she earned the title of honorary whore.
I think to be a whore it needs to be a regular thing. A one off can be waved away.
 

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I think to be a whore it needs to be a regular thing. A one off can be waved away.
Certainly that logic makes sense to me, and although that happens because of the player's decision it is a casual occurrence following another event which was the cleaning of Natasha's house, technically it does not qualify, it is like the massage business where giving a happy ending does not count as prostitution.

In conclusion let's say that this is in a legal vacuum, we will have to see if our Ashe gets other offers like this in the future, certainly I would not mind, although I would like to know how legal is prostitution in the world of EI.
 

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I would argue that harems are, in principle, self-serving and not selfish. This may sound like the same shit, but I believe that just because one will form a harem just to get off, it does not mean it needs to be ONLY about that one person. Hence why I categorize the harem between selfish and not.
Harems, by proxy, vary in type and how they are formed. Generally the ideal is conqueror mind set of having a number of partners that you can satisfy ones lusts. Yet, there are some harems that are built on the grounds of true affection and love with intimacy being some measure of an after thought.

In AVN terms, the term harem is simple: Have all the hottest chicks love/lust after the MC, with some measure of drama/jealousy/problems have now and then. Here, founding a harem would depend on who all is involved and how it's really approached. And naturally, which route is at play.
 
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Having a protagonist being part of harem would trigger the NTR-goonners so I don't know if it would properly work, but I do like the idea a lot.

And that's exactly what I mean by my type of harem, one that does have a person in ther center, but all the member actually enjoy each other's companies in and outside of the harem environment.
It'd probably work fine, the game might just not be as popular.
Random question, since Ashe gave Officer Natasha a blowjob and she paid her, do you think Ashe earned the Whore label? Or does she need to do it more times to earn that title?

I think at the very least she earned the title of honorary whore.
Which route is this? Because it doesn't happen in my playthrough. And if it’s not in the main storyline, it might not be important enough to be a thing
 

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Which route is this? Because it doesn't happen in my playthrough. And if it’s not in the main storyline, it might not be important enough to be a thing
It is one of the main storylines.

There are 3 main routes, that's on one of them.

Having a protagonist being part of harem would trigger the NTR-goonners so I don't know if it would properly work, but I do like the idea a lot.

And that's exactly what I mean by my type of harem, one that does have a person in ther center, but all the member actually enjoy each other's companies in and outside of the harem environment.
One of the routes is an NTR/Cuck route.
 

Alley_Cat

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It is one of the main storylines.

There are 3 main routes, that's on one of them.
The main storyline as I'm talking about is events that are common to all three routes, like the upcoming party, or Ashe losing her v-card to Zoe. I'm only trying to make the point that so far, it's entirely possible for Ashe to only have had sex with Zoe. Hardly makes her a whore. Some people here talk like some of the sex scenes are unavoidable, when the only one so far has been Zoe's.
 
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I know, not a fan so I don't play that particular route. I will probably only play the dom route anyways since Lexy is probably my favorite character here... she's very cute.
Siren is the most popular (and my fave), but you can tell a lot of energy was put into the Kitten path. And most comments of the cuck path I've read seem satisfied. I'm not sure if I'll check that one out further, going on, since it feels like an alternate reality path.
 

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I'm a little curious, but I'm starting to wonder if this game world has hetero and homosexuality. And how that works with duplos. For example, is it considered gay sex if a mono fucks a duplo's pussy? Or is that where queer is used as an umbrella term. Or is there a unique game world term?
 
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