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OneWayMissile

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Doesn't that count as NTR? Ashe wants those women (especially Mom and sis), someone else gets them, it hurts and humiliates Ashe (while also making her horny). I thought that was the cocktail NTR fans are after.
As an NTR fan...Yup this is it, also Fiona might be on a relationship with Ashe depending on your choices and would also be cheating in that scenario. Its pretty simple to understand dont know how people dont get it lol
 
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pitao

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As an NTR fan...Yup this is it, also Fiona might be on a relationship with Ashe depending on your choices and would also be cheating in that scenario. Its pretty simple to understand dont know how people dont get it lol
Yep, I don't even understand where is the doubt. There is even a netorare tag along with the title on top of the page lol.
 

Hungover00

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Yep, I don't even understand where is the doubt. There is even a netorare tag along with the title on top of the page lol.
I think the missing ingredient for Dessolos is betrayal. No one is betraying Ashe in EI, except Rachel a bit. But that's more the lying than the fucking around, because there was no commitment.

It seems to me that there are a lot of flavours under the wider NTR umbrella, and how one reacts to them is very subjective.
 
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I think the missing ingredient for Dessolos is betrayal. No one is betraying Ashe in EI, except Rachel a bit. But that's more the lying than the fucking around, because there was no commitment.

It seems to me that there are a lot of flavours under the wider NTR umbrella, and how one reacts to them is very subjective.
Yep I get it and I also have a looser view of it, for example the lesbian scenes without my consent that is ok to me, for me doesn't give the "knot on the stomach" I mentioned before but I understand that for many still is and it is under the original term and is better that people are aware of it with the tag, just was better that the tag said optional also but I guess it is just too much work for the way the forum is set. But in the OP is always better to say optional like this one have, if not it can make plenty of people not even consider a game as good as this one.
 
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Boehser Onkel

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thats a summers gone reference , or a fecking big coincidence
MorriganRae ?


ashe "I guess you're more like... the rebellious kind of rich kid..."
vanessa "Uh-huh..."

ashe "You probably do like... illegal street races at night or something."
vanessa "Racing?"
ashe "Yeah. You have a fancy ass car already... seems like you'd be some kind of thrill seeker... spending money on fast cars..."

vanessa "Hah."
vanessa "You're insane."
ashe "What, I'm wrong?"

vanessa "Of course you're wrong. Seriously, street racing? Who the fuck does that?"
ashe "Hm. As I said... rebellious rich kids with suicidal tendencies..."
 
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Jafo

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Hey everyone
Time for the weekly report! Here's the progress:
  • Writing: 100%
  • Coding: 90%
  • Environments: 75%
  • New Characters: 7/7
  • Background Characters: 18/40
  • Renders: 8%
    • Part 1 (9:00pm): 280/720
    • Part 2 (10:00pm): 0/360
    • Part 3 (11:00pm): 0/550
    • Part 4 (12:30am): 0/750
    • Part 5 (2:00am): 0/500
    • Part 6 (3:00am): 0/600
  • Music/Sound: 0%
  • Testing/Polish: 0%
Release date estimate: June/July 2025
I had some issues with some of the down-sizing techniques for the background characters. This stuff brings a whole new slew of "exciting" DAZ bugs with it, but I managed to work around it for the most part. It's pretty much "learn as I go" with this episode in particular. Something that I'm not too happy with yet, is performance during scene setup. For some reason, certain background characters slow down the whole program, and it takes way too long to save scenes. I'll continue experimenting so I can speed up development eventually. Despite these lingering issues, I'm very happy with the end result . Seeing plenty of characters in the background feels a lot more immersive than an empty house.
Not much else to report for now. I'll try to make some time for bonus renders soon, y'all had to wait a lot for those recently. And a poll for Gold members is coming too.

❤ Enjoy your weekend! Thank you for your support! ❤
 

damnedfrog

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thats a summers gone reference , or a fecking big coincidence
MorriganRae ?


ashe "I guess you're more like... the rebellious kind of rich kid..."
vanessa "Uh-huh..."

ashe "You probably do like... illegal street races at night or something."
vanessa "Racing?"
ashe "Yeah. You have a fancy ass car already... seems like you'd be some kind of thrill seeker... spending money on fast cars..."

vanessa "Hah."
vanessa "You're insane."
ashe "What, I'm wrong?"

vanessa "Of course you're wrong. Seriously, street racing? Who the fuck does that?"
ashe "Hm. As I said... rebellious rich kids with suicidal tendencies..."
I also think it's the case.
There are some similitude between Bella and Vanessa, and would be surprised if they are just coincidental.
 
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Ashe is really beautiful. :giggle:
February is almost over, and there are still 3 or 4 months left before we can start playing new content.
This is also the exciting story of plot development that all of our fans have been waiting for and looking forward to. We hope that it won't be limited to just the party and it will be great.
Everyone, like me, is also very excited and looking forward to the surprise. :love: (y) :coffee:
 

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I think it depends on who you ask. For me I need there to be some kind of romantic relationship beforehand . Doesn't have to be girlfriend or boyfriend status but have some dates and romantic moments where it feels like it's leading to something serious. So in the context of this game I would only feel this way for maybe Vanessa so far no one else just yet.

As well as it depends on how such a player plays a game I don't play as a MC or FMC but a spectator / viewer so I feel less of an impact unless I personally start to feel alot for a LI. So far I personally felt nothing for any of these "NTR" scenes. Not just that I think the NTR path is the worst path and it's worst than actual NTR / NTS games at least the ones ive played so far. To me it just felt like the characters personality changed all of sudden for no reason and turned super slut. So because of that it's hard to take the NTR path seriously I just see it as one big joke of a path and I just play it for a laugh at how ridiculous it is.

Also I don't think NTR has to include humiliation 100% of the time , either. It could just be being cheated on. So while yeah there is a definition I think it really depends on a player's view point more than the definition it's self. For example I don't consider cuckhold a sub category of NTR just letting your LI sleep with other men for me cuckhold is what needs to have humiliation and maybe some femdom elements as well. While many would see it as just letting your girl sleep with another man while you watch. So because of that I feel player point of view matters alot more than the actual definition depending on what you talking about and NTR is something that falls in that category for me.
I find myself in the same boat. I can't really insert myself in basically none story I read/play/watch, it's one of the reasons I don't really have waifus, it comes in handy while playing NTR games since I can't really attach myself to the character getting NTRd I end up seeing it as voyeur since I'm an outsider. But I still find it annoying since for me NTR is a bad fetish to begin with.

And unfortunately, NTR NEEDS to have humiliation. It's a package fetish. It's not just about being cheated on (or losing someone you are into), it's about getting humiliated by the cheating part and their partner and/or also the cheating part getting corrupted into turning into a fucking sex obsessed slut and the climax of this whole she-bang in the cheated part finding out about the cheating and then having a meltdown (usually in a stupid scene where they get hard if they are male and ejucalate). That's the ultimate NTR if I can say myself... anything other than that? It's not really NTR.
Cuckholding is not NTR so if the cheated part is ok with the cheating and humiliation it can't be NTR, they need to be against it and protest to it, if the cheated part is aware of the cheating and actually eggs on the cheating part it turns into sharing, if the cheated part gets off watching the cheating happens in secret then it turns into voyeur... there's so many variables at play for such a stupid concept that I can't not find the fetish to be stupid.

Curious enough, I actually have so little attachment to Rachel that I just push her away, but that's only her. I like most other character that Ashe has a deep connection with
I don't know what it is, but I just can't bring myself to like her. Maybe this will change in the future (I hope it does, I want to like Rachel).
 
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dolfe67

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I can't not find the fetish to be stupid.
A lot of fetishes are stupid. To name a popular one, harem is pretty stupid too. How can you believe multiple women are ok to share one guy. At best it's only temporary agreement but with the expectation to become his only bitch wife
 

Kodek

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A lot of fetishes are stupid. To name a popular one, harem is pretty stupid too. How can you believe multiple women are ok to share one guy. At best it's only temporary agreement but with the expectation to become his only bitch wife
That's the selfish harem type. I much more prefer the harem that has one person as the center but is very independent between itself. It works with or without that person being involved directly, like the harem in The Last Sovereign.
Also, harem is usually the fetish where you think of you as the person being served by so many woman/man/futa/'whatever the shit you want to serve you' and being the center of their complete attention and devotion, and yes I do dislike this type of harem A LOT. I'm not much for harem in any shape, I like freedom so I would be more for a poliamory type of relationship with multiple people, like they all like each other and want to fuck each other.

But I digress. What I actually meant with NTR being stupid is that it's over complicated as a fetish. Harem is simple, futa is simple, voyeur is simple, MILF is simple, Sadomaso is simple and even stuff like scat and watersports are simple.
NTR though... it needs so much stuff for it to works as fetish that it just make the whole thing stupid and pretty unworkable. If you take one of the many variables it turns into another fetish that is way more simple and approachable.
It's why I see so many of the NTR enthusiasts to be annoying, they can't see a girl talking to a guy that is not the MC that their brain immendiately goes "SLUT! THAT'S NTR!". I don't kinkshame people no matter what, but I can't help thinking "Really dude?"
 

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That's the selfish harem type. I much more prefer the harem that has one person as the center but is very independent between itself. It works with or without that person being involved directly, like the harem in The Last Sovereign.
Also, harem is usually the fetish where you think of you as the person being served by so many woman/man/futa/'whatever the shit you want to serve you' and being the center of their complete attention and devotion, and yes I do dislike this type of harem A LOT. I'm not much for harem in any shape, I like freedom so I would be more for a poliamory type of relationship with multiple people, like they all like each other and want to fuck each other.

But I digress. What I actually meant with NTR being stupid is that it's over complicated as a fetish. Harem is simple, futa is simple, voyeur is simple, MILF is simple, Sadomaso is simple and even stuff like scat and watersports are simple.
NTR though... it needs so much stuff for it to works as fetish that it just make the whole thing stupid and pretty unworkable. If you take one of the many variables it turns into another fetish that is way more simple and approachable.
It's why I see so many of the NTR enthusiasts to be annoying, they can't see a girl talking to a guy that is not the MC that their brain immendiately goes "SLUT! THAT'S NTR!". I don't kinkshame people no matter what, but I can't help thinking "Really dude?"
Not really a ntr guy myself, but cuckoldry seems straightforward enough to me. Also, every harem is selfish.
 

Kodek

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Not really a ntr guy myself, but cuckoldry seems straightforward enough to me. Also, every harem is selfish.
I would argue that harems are, in principle, self-serving and not selfish. This may sound like the same shit, but I believe that just because one will form a harem just to get off, it does not mean it needs to be ONLY about that one person. Hence why I categorize the harem between selfish and not.
 
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I would argue that harems are, in principle, self-serving and not selfish. This may sound like the same shit, but I believe that just because one will form a harem just to get off, it does not mean it needs to be ONLY about that one person. Hence why I categorize the harem between selfish and not.
It would be an interesting thought expriment to have a protagonist be a part of a harem that is not theirs but someone else's.

And yes, the best harems are usually the ones that still retain other harem members' characterization while giving them different dynamics (familial bond, love or even enmity). Harems that suck are the ones that strips the characters of their personality and turns them into fuckdolls basically.
 
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Kodek

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It would be an interesting thought expriment to have a protagonist be a part of a harem that is not theirs but someone else's.

And yes, the best harems are usually the ones that still retain other harem members' characterization while giving them different dynamics (familial bond, love or even enmity). Harems that suck are the ones that strips the characters of their personality and turns them into fuckdolls basically.
Having a protagonist being part of harem would trigger the NTR-goonners so I don't know if it would properly work, but I do like the idea a lot.

And that's exactly what I mean by my type of harem, one that does have a person in ther center, but all the member actually enjoy each other's companies in and outside of the harem environment.
 
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